Caverna con casa… what’s the significance?

[rk85044]

Hello all-
On the perfil map is the caverna con casa.
What exactly is this?
What did it hold?
Where is it supposed to be?

Just wondering…
Thankyou

 

[sgtfda]

I believe it's the cave with a two room house. Here is a shot of the map in English that Ruth had on him that ended in the Tex Barkley photo album.

 

[Ponteach]

I did tried to tell and show you guys i have found the Peralta's mines position, BUT you guys just dont want to believes, here is the secret Canyon today in 2025, the original of your map was made arround 1848 before the earthquake of 1887, the arrow shows the position of the cave.

 

[rk85044]

So this 2 room…according to the map…was across the mine site…in a cave….
Did it hold anything…was it a cache site or just a sorta camp…in a cave

 

[sgtfda]

The trick is finding the cave first

 

[SPARTANOC]

So this 2 room…according to the map…was across the mine site…in a cave….
Did it hold anything…was it a cache site or just a sorta camp…in a cave

rk85044

When looking for said cave (camp), think smaller than an actual cave.

Good luck in your search

SpartanOC

 

[Idahodutch]

So this 2 room…according to the map…was across the mine site…in a cave….
Did it hold anything…was it a cache site or just a sorta camp…in a cave

Hello rk85044,
Directly across the canyon , not more than 200’ from his mine.

I read somewhere a long time ago that the shallow cave needed a tarp to keep out weather from the north. (So the shallow cave faces in a northerly direction….. which translates to being located in a ravine/canyon wall that also faces in a northerly direction.)

The 2 rooms were most likely 2 areas with enough room for bed rolls and some personals.

So a shallow cave needing a tarp to keep out north weather. The materials for building 2 rooms would probably have been made of rocks, and stacked high enough to provide a bare minimal area of privacy. So rock walls maybe 1-1/2’ to 2’ tall. Maybe a common area for cooking/eating/playing cards, just next to the sleeping areas. 🤷🏼‍♂️

Probably a larger rock for use as a table maybe.
It would be good if the camp was close to water, as well as a place to keep their animals nearby.

I would expect to see all those things within a relatively small vicinity (like not more than 200’ apart from one end to the other.)
An optimal place for the animals would be somewhere between the hidden camp (shallow cave.) and his mine. Also, if it could be arranged for all three spots (camp, animals, and his mine) to be at or very near the same elevation or altitude, and a somewhat level pathway between them.

According to waltz, there were 3 caches.
The 2 smaller ones that he had already retrieved, then the big one just inside of his mine, before he sealed it up and covered it up.

Then supposedly he stashed his tools somewhere up on the saddle.

So, the hidden camp may have some personal artifact(s) from Waltz and/or his partner, but probably not gold or tools.

I think the camp was simply shelter for cooking and sleeping…. And sometimes getting out of bad weather . 🤷🏼‍♂️

There are other subtle clues that dictate how not only the hidden camp, but other locations of landmarks have to be positioned, in order for some of the clues to fit.

Ignoring any of those subtle clues, may inadvertently land a Dutch Hunter in the wrong place. It has happened over and over and over again since the late 1800’s 🥴😬🤔

Also something very important to remember,
The perfill map with the cave on one side of a canyon, and the tunnel on the other (tunnel was not at the LDM until after Waltz showed up) is in most cases, and I mean most cases, will easily exceed the 200’ distance between them , ruling out that map as anything to do with LDM.

However, many here have no issue tossing out clues that get in the way of progress … like in this case, the 200’ distance. 🥴🤷🏼‍♂️
Maybe even which direction the cave opens, or if a simple tarp could be used to keep out the weather from the north…. (I have not checked for that, but the layout doesn’t look promising.)

Just my opinions, and I don’t have gold ore in hand, so it’s just my 2 cents on the matter.

Sincerely,
Idahodutch

 

[sgtfda]

Don't forget the two room house inside the cave up at Rodgers. I always thought of that when the subject came up.

 

[TORRERO]

Hello all-
On the perfil map is the caverna con casa.
What exactly is this?
What did it hold?
Where is it supposed to be?

Just wondering…
Thankyou

Spanish it’s a cave with a house

 

[Idahodutch]

Don't forget the two room house inside the cave up at Rodgers. I always thought of that when the subject came up.

Even Bick himself (the guy that wrote his name in the Roger’s Canyon large 2/ room house), stipulated that it was not the one from LDM saga.

However, is it the same casa caverns from the perfill map? 🤷🏼‍♂️

This would not be the first time folks confuse the two. 😉
Sincerely,
Idahodutch

 

[393stroker]

Here`s some photos of the area and the cave; There`s rattle snakes near the entrance to the cave, a 5 ft. ledge you have to climb to get to it. Once inside the floor goes up to a T with open spaces on either side. I`m pretty sure mountain lions have been in there too, bones on the floor.

 

[sgtfda]

Even Bick himself (the guy that wrote his name in the Roger’s Canyon large 2/ room house), stipulated that it was not the one from LDM saga.

However, is it the same casa caverns from the perfill map? 🤷🏼‍♂️

This would not be the first time folks confuse the two. 😉
Sincerely,
Idahodutch

Funny it's just over the hill from the Pitt mine

 

[393stroker]

The head across from the spire;

 

[i am the horse]

Been years since i have been on this site.. actually came to ask markmar for some advice on this map.he seemed sorta knowledgeable about it.. at least he knew that the map was drawn from at least 2 different directions with gery distinct features.. . guess he got banned.. oh well. i guestimate the prominent landmarks are arounf 5 miles apart.. there is a hole driiled in a rock that has a triangle sight in it that looks at 3 dots on a wall about 100 ft away.. anone have thoughts how this map would work?

Thats all i have. Peace out.

 

[393stroker]

Been years since i have been on this site.. actually came to ask markmar for some advice on this map.he seemed sorta knowledgeable about it.. at least he knew that the map was drawn from at least 2 different directions with gery distinct features.. . guess he got banned.. oh well. i guestimate the prominent landmarks are arounf 5 miles apart.. there is a hole driiled in a rock that has a triangle sight in it that looks at 3 dots on a wall about 100 ft away.. anone have thoughts how this map would work?

Thats all i have. Peace out.

If you look through the hole do you see anything like his?

Been years since i have been on this site.. actually came to ask markmar for some advice on this map.he seemed sorta knowledgeable about it.. at least he knew that the map was drawn from at least 2 different directions with gery distinct features.. . guess he got banned.. oh well. i guestimate the prominent landmarks are arounf 5 miles apart.. there is a hole driiled in a rock that has a triangle sight in it that looks at 3 dots on a wall about 100 ft away.. anone have thoughts how this map would work?

Thats all i have. Peace out.

When you look through the hole do you see anything that looks like this?

 

[Idahodutch]

I hope everyone has enjoyed at least some parts of the Holidays 😁🥳

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!
to Treasure Net, and all that stop by 😎👍
(And everyone else too 😁)

Sincerely, Idahodutch

 

[i am the horse]

If you look through the hole do you see anything like his?

When you look through the hole do you see anything that looks like this?

It’s easy to be mean. But that’s fine.
I spoke of this spot probably 10 years ago. But haven’t been back since.(health) Always been in the back of my mind tho.

Y’all be good. Remember to give your 10%.

 

[OneLooseArrow]

I read somewhere a long time ago that the shallow cave needed a tarp to keep out weather from the north.

Dutch, can you remember where you read this? I never heard this before.

 

[Idahodutch]

OneLooseArrow,

You asked where I read about the shallow cave that needed a small tarp to keep out weather from the north.

I don’t recall where I read it. 🤔
Originally I was taught it by my mentor in the early 1970’s. 😎
Now, all the information that I had stored on my old computer, died with the computer years ago. 🤷🏼‍♂️

It’s not a new clue, and I’m sure someone here has the info on that. Hopefully they will share.

Idahodutch

 

[SPARTANOC]

Oneloosearrow

I think there's a mix up of two Jacobs (Jake). The tarp, in question, is mentioned in Tom Kollenborn's chronicles and it talks about 'Crazy Jake's camp' - who used a tarp in his camp. It wouldn't be a surprise that Jacob Waltz used a tarp as well, as that was pretty common for those who camped out for long periods of time in the desert(s) or the Supes where there really isn't much cover out in the open.

SpartanOC

Crazy Jake