Dam Counterfeit Large Cents

cannonball

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So my last outing ( before this morning) I tracked down an 1820's tavern site. I used a really rough map and checked a number of area's where it could have been. There it was just waiting for me. I guess it was gone by around 1840. I'll know more when I beat it into submission. I dug a few buttons, an interesting drill with a lead handle, an 1833 Bust dime, and two 1835 Large Cents. One looks like a 1835 head of 1836, N=8, R-4. If you look close a the copper disc you can see the ONE CENT stamped in it. Another Dam Counterfeit!!!
 

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traveller777

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So my last outing ( before this morning) I tracked down an 1820's tavern site. I used a really rough map and checked a number of area's where it could have been. There it was just waiting for me. I guess it was gone by around 1840. I'll know more when I beat it into submission. I dug a few buttons, an interesting drill with a lead handle, an 1833 Bust dime, and two 1835 Large Cents. One looks like a 1835 head of 1836, N=8, R-4. If you look close a the copper disc you can see the ONE CENT stamped in it. Another Dam Counterfeit!!!
Good work on research and still nice finds. Thanks for sharing.
 

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So my last outing ( before this morning) I tracked down an 1820's tavern site. I used a really rough map and checked a number of area's where it could have been. There it was just waiting for me. I guess it was gone by around 1840. I'll know more when I beat it into submission. I dug a few buttons, an interesting drill with a lead handle, an 1833 Bust dime, and two 1835 Large Cents. One looks like a 1835 head of 1836, N=8, R-4. If you look close a the copper disc you can see the ONE CENT stamped in it. Another Dam Counterfeit!!!
Very Nice!!!! Good Hunt!!! Congrats!!!
 

pepperj

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Nice going on the coppers.

That rim on the one you think is a counterfeit sure looks like a beat up 1797 Cartwheel

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What does the other side of your counterfeit look like and what size is it?
 

pepperj

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The drill is called a "gimlet drill" they were used to make small holes usually in wood that do not split. Sometimes wire handles, sometimes wood, and sometimes metal.
Looking at the thread gap pattern on the gimlet I'd venture a guess it was used for putting in a plug in tires. The plug would be wrapped around in the wide groove then threaded through the hole in the tire.
 

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I think it is just very rusted away. As a lifelong auto mechanic, that is not a tire plug tool. We use one that is a coarse rasp to roughen up the hole and then a tool like a handled large needle with an open eye to insert the plug, The open eyed end is opposite the handle. Wrapping the plug around a shaft simply would not work. Gimlet drills usually have a screw-like end on them, but the OP item is well rusted. Plugging tires is not a really old technology, pre-WW2 most were patched rather than plugged. Plugging is a cheap way to solve a puncture, it is much more efficient to patch the tire on the inside but that requires the labor cost of removing wheel and dismounting and mounting the tire. Internal patches are more expensive but better than plugs.
 

DaveK-NC

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I think it is just very rusted away. As a lifelong auto mechanic, that is not a tire plug tool. We use one that is a coarse rasp to roughen up the hole and then a tool like a handled large needle with an open eye to insert the plug, The open eyed end is opposite the handle. Wrapping the plug around a shaft simply would not work. Gimlet drills usually have a screw-like end on them, but the OP item is well rusted. Plugging tires is not a really old technology, pre-WW2 most were patched rather than plugged. Plugging is a cheap way to solve a puncture, it is much more efficient to patch the tire on the inside but that requires the labor cost of removing wheel and dismounting and mounting the tire. Internal patches are more expensive but better than plugs.
I wonder if it was a tool they used to sample wheels of cheese?See: https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/antique-cheese-testing-tool-plug-474281083

Great finds! Good luck!
 
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Nice going on the coppers.

That rim on the one you think is a counterfeit sure looks like a beat up 1797 Cartwheel

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I thought that was a cartwheel. That makes sense now. There it definitely a US ONE CENT reverse on one side. They must have been trying to make a US Large Cent out of a British Cartwheel. It's just like some of my Jerseys and Connecticut's were made from Georges. Good Call!
 

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cannonball

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Nice going on the coppers.

That rim on the one you think is a counterfeit sure looks like a beat up 1797 Cartwheel

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great id thanks
Looking at the thread gap pattern on the gimlet I'd venture a guess it was used for putting in a plug in tires. The plug would be wrapped around in the wide groove then threaded through the hole in the tire.
I don't think they were using inflatable tires in the 1830's.
 

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So my last outing ( before this morning) I tracked down an 1820's tavern site. I used a really rough map and checked a number of area's where it could have been. There it was just waiting for me. I guess it was gone by around 1840. I'll know more when I beat it into submission. I dug a few buttons, an interesting drill with a lead handle, an 1833 Bust dime, and two 1835 Large Cents. One looks like a 1835 head of 1836, N=8, R-4. If you look close a the copper disc you can see the ONE CENT stamped in it. Another Dam Counterfeit!!!
great saves and research, bet that site gives up more treasure. good luck
 

JeffInMass

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Outstanding finds- seems like you've got yourself potentially a pretty magical site- GL going forward!
 

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I would think a

Counterfeit Large cent would be more scarce then A REAL one :)

 

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The drill is called a "gimlet drill" they were used to make small holes usually in wood that do not split. Sometimes wire handles, sometimes wood, and sometimes metal.
+it makes me feel old to think folks needed to be told what that drill was used for. Everyone I knew growing up had one.
 

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So my last outing ( before this morning) I tracked down an 1820's tavern site. I used a really rough map and checked a number of area's where it could have been. There it was just waiting for me. I guess it was gone by around 1840. I'll know more when I beat it into submission. I dug a few buttons, an interesting drill with a lead handle, an 1833 Bust dime, and two 1835 Large Cents. One looks like a 1835 head of 1836, N=8, R-4. If you look close a the copper disc you can see the ONE CENT stamped in it. Another Dam Counterfeit!!!
Outstanding Finds...! :icon_thumright:
I figure they are worth more, since they are genuine counterfeit coins....! WoW...!
 
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+it makes me feel old to think folks needed to be told what that drill was used for. Everyone I knew growing up had one.
This site is from the 1820's- 1830's. You can't feel that Old if you're on this side of the lawn!!!:icon_scratch:
 

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