David and the Peralta stone maps.

[cactusjumper]

Paul and Bill,

I have heard rumors from reliable sources , that a new book is about to hit the market. The tentative title, from what I have heard, is: "Gulliber's Travels: My Adventures In Google Land". The book will be well sourced and illustrated. Author unknown at this time.

Take care,

Joe

 

[Quinan Bear]

Cool can't wait to read it. It might show this in it.

 

[Oroblanco]

Hmmmm....J W, let me see, that has to be Jacob Waltz right? Surely it couldn't be John Walker?

David you probably think I am just trying to be a 'wet blanket' but really amigo, there really are many "markers" and man-made or man-altered FALSE features in the Superstitions, and as our amigos have pointed out, a fair number of the 'genuine article' have been deliberately destroyed or altered to mislead people. In some cases it is a bit understandable, who could blame a rancher for getting rid of markers that were leading dozens of men and women into his grazing pastures, driving the cattle clear out of the range, cutting fences, leaving garbage etc, even threatening him - so that he could have some peace in the pasture? It is way too easy to just "connect the dots" and if it were really that simple, there would not be a Lost Dutchman or lost Peralta mines, they would be "found" and we would know them today as historical producers of gold and/or silver, like the Silver King or Vulture. It just ain't that simple amigo, as a prospector you know that too - but hopefully your partners will be able to find the evidence you need to prove up your theories.

Good luck and good hunting to you all, I hope you find the treasures that you seek.
Roy ~ Oroblanco

 

[Quinan Bear]

Like I said to you all before.
READ THE LAND.

If you were the very first man to ever walk into the Superstitions. You would need to read the land to get through or to know the place better. If ANY of you want to find a mine that has little, to no directions to it, then you would have no choice but to read the land.

I know that weaver's needle had a large section of it, blown away because someone thought that there was a shaft at the top that lead to a vault. Needless to say that there IS a sharp peak that DOES have a shaft at the top that leads to a vault, but it not Weaver's.
I know that cactus juice was used in the mixture for making the plaster that Jacob Waltz used to seal the entrance to his mine, which was a 3 foot hole that he made to a 6 foot hole and 2 feet deep, to be able to put logs (Placed to match the hill's slope), then he plastered it and put rocks and dirt on top to make it look like the surrounding area.

It is said , that you had to pass by the first and second water hole and if you passed the three red hills, you went too far. A Spirit sleep 4 hours a day near the mine. There is a cave near by that was used as a marker and it could be seen from the mine. there are 4 peaks that look like one, to the North. Weaver's needle is to the south. it is in a small canyon running North and shaped like a funnel that is bigger at the top end. I see the people walking on the Military trail to the east but they can't see me. the sun set shines into the entrance to the mine when open.


Now that you have that in mind.
If you left from Apache junction and passed the 2 water holes, you would be near the three hills. Now you go to the highest hill just to the South of the 3 red hills. Look around you, there is a cave to the South, A rock structure to the Northeast. There is a pothole filled canyon near by. 3 wikiups on the west at the head of the opposite gulch. A spirit (i showed you) near by.

Look at the area itself and see that there are many faults that converge there and a gold bearing vein that heads in that direction. You can also see the many different types of rocks as well.

I know that I can't teach you old dogs new tricks. So i will post this for those that will look and listen, and i will answer any questions that arise from this.

Have a great day... happy hunting.

 

[BILL96]

QB,
While I may be naturally sceptical and do tend to take everything I read with a grain of salt I really do enjoy your posts and hope you will keep it up. On more than one occasion you have mentioned "Wikiups" and in your last photos you circled them, could you expand on that and what are you actually seeing?

Thanks,
Bill

 

[Quinan Bear]

QB,
While I may be naturally sceptical and do tend to take everything I read with a grain of salt I really do enjoy your posts and hope you will keep it up. On more than one occasion you have mentioned "Wikiups" and in your last photos you circled them, could you expand on that and what are you actually seeing?

Thanks,
Bill

Well Bill, I would like to, but i have to just say that there are many signs that lead to this mine. I can't show everything yet but i will eventually show you what I have found.

Wikiups to me, are circular stone structures that have brush or organic roofs. You are not looking for a real wikiup, but stones that look like one. Although there is mention of another structure on the opposite canyon.

There is one type of rock that can be found in boulder canyon that is the key to this vein. This rock is not seen in the hillside or in the layers around the area, this rock is from a low area in the layers. I have shown pictures of creeks that have this rock. Can you see them and show me what rock i am talking about?

 

[Peerless67]

A sage word of advice from one who knows better.
Cholla don't make good buttwipe....pilgrim. Cry

Regards:SH.

I wish you had let me know earlier !!!!

 

[Quinan Bear]

Near the second water hole, before you get to Boulder Canyon, you will see a place where Dacite can be found. There will be tiny specs of turquoise in it. Find this place and look for the Quartz vein and there you will find gold. You will see a pile of red'ish rocks near by, perhaps it's a rock dump. The Dacite is a dark blue/grey color. Look for a crevasse or small creek.

This information comes from a Geological survey that was done in 1966.

 

[Loke]

*chuckles* This subject suddenly got very, very quiet!
Is everyone (who are able to) out there checking it all up??

I have not been the biggest fan of CB, but that last lot looked kinda promising ...
I know what _I_ would have done had I been anywhere in the neighbourhood of it.

 

[Quinan Bear]

I noticed remarks of Google Earth viewer, not being a good tool. Well I would like to tell you of a way that you can get different views of the areas you want to look at.
Open Google and click on the " show historical imagery" and back the time frame, till you get different views of the area. these views are because of change in the sun's position. From the different sun positions, you can get a better idea if the area. I have added the Heart map area in two time changes.

In "Panoramio Photos" you can get hundreds of real photos of the area as well.

 

[Oroblanco]

Loke wrote

This subject suddenly got very, very quiet!

Speaking only for myself, there is only so much staring at Google Earth pix that I can take before my eyes start glazing over. Kind of like when the insurance salesman is making a detailed explanation of a policy. No offense intended to our amigo Quinan Bear, or anyone, obviously the satellite images are pretty neat and they have been used to locate such things as a lost city (Ubar, the city "swallowed by the desert" over in Arabia) but that is a very large target.

<***Ubar http://www.guidedones.com/issues/reports/ubar10.htm***>

Good luck and good hunting amigos, I hope you find the treasures that you seek.
Oroblanco

 

[Furness]

I've been using Google earth for sometime, as i live the other side of the pond research is limited to letters and google, whilst it can be used as part of the research, finding a hole in the ground is almost impossible, it can be used to try to find landmarks from the stories of the various lost mines,

i have used it for one mentioned on this site, but not to look for the mine, just the Hacienda and native village (foundation stones) it is associated with, and i nearly went square eyed looking whilst following the clues,

but a hole in the ground and find it on google, i don't think its possible not without other clear clues to give you a much smaller area to look at to find the LDM but not without feet on the ground imho,

furness

 

[Quinan Bear]

I keep telling you guys that the mines on the stones, as well as the LDM are not holes in the ground as you put it. The only way of knowing that it there, is by reading the land. You might be lucky to find a marker or something (if you know what to look for) but most mines were well hidden.

 

[cactusjumper]

David,

"The only way of knowing that it there, is by reading the land."

That's an interesting comment coming from someone who has never touched the ground in question. The Apache could read the land. They would lay down, roll in the four cardinal directions and breath in the dust. Before you become the expert on the Superstitions, you might want to breath in a little of her dust.

Good luck,

Joe

 

[BenThereDoneThat]

'Disclaimer' Whilst rolling in said dirt and breathing it in, be careful not to catch Valley Fever!!! Snakes, Bugs, and Plants aren't the only things poisonous around here. 'End of Disclaimer' Now Joe wont be held accountable for green horn's eating the Tarra Firma!

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

HI Parker, you posted -->Now Joe wont be held accountable for green horn's eating the Tarra Firma!
***********
Too late, a hungry lawyer has already been contacted. However, I will settle out of court 'IF' he sends me his entire stock of the Dutchman related data, as well as any other treasure information that he might have ASAP, plus a kneeling geneflection while appologizing for doubting Tayopa.

Don Jose de La Mancha

 

[Quinan Bear]

I can read the land from here and know much more then you will ever know from those books. It's all good though, cause I am making plans of seeing those mountains for myself, since I have confirmation on a site I was researching.

Happy hunting.

 

[Cubfan64]

I can read the land from here and know much more then you will ever know from those books. It's all good though, cause I am making plans of seeing those mountains for myself, since I have confirmation on a site I was researching.

Happy hunting.

I'm confused by your response (as usual) to Joe - note what you said in red above.

Where in Joe's post to you does he state anything about learning anything important from reading "those books? If I'm not mistaken, his focus has always been on suggesting you put your feet on the trails (or more importantly OFF the trails) in the mountains to REALLY learn.

Here's Joe's post to refresh your memory...

David,

"The only way of knowing that it there, is by reading the land."

That's an interesting comment coming from someone who has never touched the ground in question. The Apache could read the land. They would lay down, roll in the four cardinal directions and breath in the dust. Before you become the expert on the Superstitions, you might want to breath in a little of her dust.

Good luck,

Joe

You continue to miss the point by a mile

 

[BenThereDoneThat]

[/quote] I'm confused by your response (as usual) to Joe - note what you said in red above. [/quote]

One with no proof can get a little 'butt hurt' when they make wild claims and are questioned about it! its a defensive reaction, thats all.

 

[BenThereDoneThat]

HI Parker, you posted -->Now Joe wont be held accountable for green horn's eating the Tarra Firma!
***********
Too late, a hungry lawyer has already been contacted. However, I will settle out of court 'IF' he sends me his entire stock of the Dutchman related data, as well as any other treasure information that he might have ASAP, plus a kneeling geneflection while appologizing for doubting Tayopa.

Don Jose de La Mancha

So basically you just want ALLLLL the treasure on this continent to yourself? Greedy Treasure Hunters