Deus

[saltwater_max]

Get a deus and there won't be any other detector to compare it with! ( Just My Feelings) don't get your feelings hurt if you don't agree,I am just saying how I feel about this Wonderful,LIGHT,DEEP,compact little machine!

 

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[Ronzie]

How would you compare to say an E-Trac or a 3030 in overall performance?

 

[saltwater_max]

Get a deus and there won't be any other detector to compare it with! ( Just My Feelings) don't get your feelings hurt if you don't agree,I am just saying how I feel about this Wonderful,LIGHT,DEEP,compact little machine!

I think the performance is about equal

 

[dan1942]

I am trying to decide on either the e-trac or the deus. it's just so expensive. I am coming from a minelab safari which seem to work great here on the beach (salt water).
Dan

 

[LuckyLarry]

The Deus is fine for soil that's zero to light mineralization, but in the really bad soil, it like the Deep Tech, Nautilus, Blisstool, Tesoro Tejon, Detech, etc. are not designed for about 1/3 of American high-Fe soils. In fact sometimes they will only howl, or get 4" tops on a clad dime, while a cheap $100 Bounty Hunter will get 5". There is a massive difference between "feel", and "perform", so hopefully some rookie doesn't read the claims and rush down and buy a Deus just because someone "feels" it is best. . I know of a place on the Pacific salt beach shore where not even a PI will work due to high mineralization.

 

[dan1942]

I am on the east coast (South Carolina). I will have to see what our mineralization is on our local beaches here.
Thanks!

 

[saltwater_max]

I am on the east coast (South Carolina). I will have to see what our mineralization is on our local beaches here.
Thanks!

My mineral bar on the right today was half way! Pulled a flat button 10 or so inches, just all depend how you set your detector

 

[LuckyLarry]

There is more to it than "how you set your detector" Salt. In much of the USA my Fisher reads at a 2-2 1/2 out of 10. That means that there is not (half) as much iron (like in Ohio or S. Carolina, for example, where it would read at a 5 or 6), it means that there is twice as much iron as in those areas. Iron is a detectorists greatest enemy, be it manufactured iron, or natural iron ores or compounds. In Grants Pass, Oregon I have seen soil with roughly half of it being lodestone (an iron compound), and my detectors were all useless. I used to work for one of the most popular detector mfg. companies as a supervisor, so I know that it really doesn't matter as much (how) you set the detector, it depends on its inherent frequency, gain, sensitivity, and a host of other contributing factors that determine performance and depth. Keith Wills (East Texas Metal Detector and repairs) and I had a short conversation one day about this subject, and he chuckled and told me that for example, in Texas, almost any detectors works pretty well there, because there are mostly no minerals in the soil. I too have seen soils like that, and he is correct. Keith is the man who helped design the DD search coils at Compass Electronics, along with George Payne, and another well-respected engineer. *To determine how much FE is in your soil, use a magnet and pull all the iron filings/rocks out of it. Here on the west coast, there is often more than 1/4 content being Fe, although some of it only has only 1/8th of it as iron ores, etc. Some detectors are designed (specifically) for CW and European hunters where the soils are much more forgiving, and have little to zero iron ores.. I listed the ones in a post above already. Whites for example, designs detectors for a general market, not a specific one as do the mfgs above in my earlier post.

 

[saltwater_max]

There is more to it than "how you set your detector" Salt. In much of the USA my Fisher reads at a 2-2 1/2 out of 10. That means that there is not (half) as much iron (like in Ohio or S. Carolina, for example, where it would read at a 5 or 6), it means that there is 4-5 times as much iron as in roughly 1/3 of America. I used to work for one of the most popular detector mfg. companies as a supervisor, it really doesn't matter as much (how) you set the detector, it depends on its inherent frequency, gain, sensitivity, and a host of other contributing factors that determine performance and depth. Keith Wills (East Texas Metal Detector and repairs) and I had a short conversation one day and he told me that for example, in Texas, almost any detectors works well there, because there are mostly no minerals in the soil. I too have seen soils like that, and he is correct. Keith is the man helped design the DD search coils at Compass Electronics, along with George Payne. To determine how much FE is in your soil, use a magnet and pull all the iron filings/rocks out of it. Her on the west coast, there is often more than 1/4 content being Fe, although some of it only has only 1/8th of it iron ores, etc. Some detectors are designed (specifically) for CW and European hunters where the soils is much more forgiving.. I listed them above already. Whites for example, designs them for a general market, not a specific one.

Ok ....

 

[Bart@Big Boys Hobbies]

I am on the east coast (South Carolina). I will have to see what our mineralization is on our local beaches here.
Thanks!

Multifrequency machines generally handle salt MUCH better than single frequencies do. PI even better but the discrimination is not good. Prepare yourself to dig a lot with one. lol

 

[LuckyLarry]

Well said Bart..

 

[sprinter]

I am trying to decide on either the e-trac or the deus. it's just so expensive. I am coming from a minelab safari which seem to work great here on the beach (salt water).
Dan

The Deus is like any single frequency VLF machine on Wet salt beaches it works but its a compromise,, wet beach or salt sand program has the sens turned down so low you loose depth ,, dry sand its fine ,,on land its a magic wand ,, bearing in mind the limitations of of all metal detectors ,,don't matter what make ,the Deus give you a choice of four frequencies ,if you care to operate at 17+ khz it will find very small targets but you will loose a bit of depth on larger deep targets , if you operate in relic mode at 8khz you can up the TX power , and go lower to 4khz gives you greater depth..
For those that want to!! its now possible with an antenna work fresh water with evidently very good results , some one asked if its as good as an E trac , you would have to take in to consideration that the Etrac is Multi frequency and has the edge ,because it can operate on the beach wet or dry and the land , I think the performance of the Deus on land is equal if not better than the Etrac recovery speed is far superior to the E trac and indeed the CTX ..and now with the new V3/1 update it has a Gold prospecting mode ,, If I was to spend three or four hours in the field detecting its the Deus every time, its light easy to transport , I think for modern detecting ,,its the way to go..IMO

 

[LuckyLarry]

Sprinter what you wrote was funny

 

[christo000]

My vote deus all the way

 

[sprinter]

I have now spent quite a few hours on the beach with the Deus using the so called Gold Field/all metal mode ,which to my surprise works extremely well ,to understand the all metal (Gold Field) preset, Google XP V3 manual and read the relevant section ,you find there's a bit about IAR discrimination ,I used the large coil and found it works very well and also the standard 9 inch was fine .
You get a VDI read out on the conductivity ,same as in any other discriminatory preset program and you can change the Frequency if you so wish, there is a constant tone in all metal/gold field which you can alter the pitch ,the good targets come through low tone and the iron high ,, bit disconcerting ,, but if you have a high discrimination program next to Gold Field, just flick on to to it to check if the target is iron ,trial and error here .
But it does work well,, as good as a CTX or any Minelab in all metal mode , now I could be wrong but all metal mode on Sovereigns and all FBS and BBS would be a single frequency I stand to be corrected ,, if you hunt in all metal as quite a few do on wet beach and then switch to discrim ,similar process as discribed
when using the Deus.
Ok you can submerge the Deus coil but you will loose the radio link in about three inches of water, this will apply to salt or fresh water ,, if you use the remote on a CTX then submerge the machine you loose the radio link, dont you!!! so you have to use wired head phones ,If you look at the Deus V/3 manual under accessories there's a wave guide antenna that you attach to the coil and then run it up the shaft of the detector , you could make it your self , but there's some kind of formula , forget what its called , which gives you the right amount of copper core to be exposed , the antenna is coaxial ..making the Deus controller waterproof is easy Iphone waterproof bag the length of the antenna is not crucial which means you could easily wade up to your chest if you wanted ....

 

[sprinter]

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Worth a look ....

 

[dirtscratcher]

I've been thinking of getting a dues but there sure are a lot of problems on the dues forum every third or fourth post is about a problem.

 

[christo000]

I've been thinking of getting a dues but there sure are a lot of problems on the dues forum every third or fourth post is about a problem.

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I think most issues with the deus are user error in not knowing how to use the machine properly. I will ad ur right on some there have been people getting machines & ending up with bad coils but then again isnt that same issues all the other companies have as well ur always gonna,get somethin bad once in a while. Also If you tell deus they will take care of you very quickley to get you back up & goin good customer service

 

[sprinter]

The biggest problem was when they upgraded to the V3 which was an XP upgrade which was XPs way of introducing the Gold Field/ all metal mode and also you had extra slots to put your own programs in, ,but during XPs tweaking they made the Iron sound less easy to discern, on the old V2 the iron sound was choppy and it would peak a high tone ,, but you new it was Iron 99 times out of a 100, so people began to dig a lot of Iron ,thats when they began to moan.
But I'm happy to say it was rectified , and to be fair XP held there hands up to it , which is quite unusual for a manufacturer to do ..

 

[Bart@Big Boys Hobbies]

The XP Deus is a FAR different machine than the Minelab E-Trac or Minelab CTX 3030. I did not say better. Metal Detectors are tools. Sure you can use a screwdriver for a hammer but a hammer is always a better tool for the job in some cases. That being said, if I am in a heavy iron or trash site I grab the XP. If I an in a place that has silver coins, rings or a saltwater beach I grab a Minelab with its multifrequencies.

Right tool for the right job sorta thing. No one machine will do it all.