Did the FBI find $600M in Civil War Gold in Pa. Forest ?

[Golden Wizard King]

Here's a quote from an early article on the dig:

"Within a month, they said, the FBI had hired an outside firm to conduct an underground scan using a device called a gravimeter. The scan identified a large metallic mass with the density of gold, according to the Paradas and Warren Getler, an author and journalist who's been working with them."

So it was read as a mass with a similar density to gold, not definitively gold. Tungsten also has a mass virtually identical to gold, as does rhenium and uranium, which is consistent with what they told me on the phone, that one would need to remove it to determine what it is. One also has to take into account the accuracy of the gravimeter and what can cause false or inaccurate readings, which i'll try to research further when i get a chance.

A gravimeter may be the single best instrument for coming as close as possible to confirming the presence of buried gold treasure from the surface than any other instrument available to civilians. Those results are very promising and definitely warrant further investigation... Millions have been spent on investigations based on far less convincing evidence

 

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[Golden Wizard King]

Alone maybe not so exciting but together with all the other results from the other technology.. Why not just let them be there for the dig?? The whole thing stinks from the beginning

 

[Golden Wizard King]

So it was read as a mass with the density of gold, not definitively gold. Tungsten also has a density nearly identical to gold, as does rhenium and uranium

That would be valid if the FBI hadn't told their group that NOTHING WAS UNEARTHED... lol

 

[pepperj]

I hope this helps

The gold was on a masonry 3/4" drill bit . No flakes just the end of the bit was covered in gold . We used a high speed drill and got the bit stuck into something and had one hell of a time getting it out. We think we melted the bit into the gold but not sure. Its hard to drill into gold and bring flakes of any amount up a 10' deep hole. We have all of this drilling on video and showed it to the FBI and they went nuts.

How do you get a 3/4" masonry drill bit down 10 feet? Been around a lot of tools in my day and I have yet to see extensions that long, have tripled up on extensions and just twisted them off.
If you have a maker of these it certainly would be appreciated.
Thank you for your reply.

 

[GoDeep]

That would be valid if the FBI hadn't told their group that NOTHING WAS UNEARTHED... lol

And nothing may have been. Even the best instruments, including the gravimeter, can be incorrect. In case you missed it, i just spoke to them today, they affirmed the gravimeter doesn't identify metal types, it can measure densities, which several other minerals fall in the range of gold. I'm reading on the gravimeter now too, and other ground features can and do effect it's readings.

This is just turning into a circular head pounding. The fact is, at this point, we have no concrete evidence that gold was unearthed at Dent's run by the FBI.

For now we wait to see if the warrant and file can be unsealed.

 

[releventchair]

And nothing may have been. Even the best instruments, including the gravimeter, can be incorrect. In case you missed it, i just spoke to them today, they affirmed it can not definitively identify minerals. I'm reading on the gravimeter now too, and other ground features can and do effect it's readings.

This is just turning into a circular head pounding. The fact is, at this point, we have no concrete evidence that gold was unearthed at Dent's run by the FBI.

For now we wait to see if the warrant and file can be unsealed.

Same company that woman started in Pa.?
They stated they could locate mineral deposits in layering. No , not specific make up or type.

 

[Golden Wizard King]

And nothing may have been. Even the best instruments, including the gravimeter, can be incorrect. In case you missed it, i just spoke to them today, they affirmed it can not definitively identify minerals. I'm reading on the gravimeter now too, and other ground features can and do effect it's readings.

This is just turning into a circular head pounding. The fact is, at this point, we have no concrete evidence that gold was unearthed at Dent's run by the FBI.

For now we wait to see if the warrant and file can be unsealed.

They can't identify the type of metal. But having these guys use all kinds of devices and research to locate this specific spot on the ground, then the gravimeter comes in and only serves to confirm the results? That's massive. Personally I think they did find something.

 

[GoDeep]

This literally just popped up in my Facebook feed, as though "big brother" was watching me. How true (except the fools part of it, no one here is a fool). I have a business to run and i get way too caught up in these pointless debates (it's my own fault, not blaming others). Peace FindersKeepers, i hope you get the file unsealed.

 

[Golden Wizard King]

i hope you get the file unsealed.

Yes, FindersKeeper, then you will be finally free of debating with fools about things which they know very little... to nothing. Good luck out there bud.

 

[Escape]

This literally just popped up in my Facebook feed, as though "big brother" was watching me. How true. I have a business to run and i get way too caught up in these pointless debates (it's my own fault, not blaming others). Peace FindersKeepers, i hope you get the file unsealed.

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You got that right! I limit the time I waste and focus on being productive. And I never read a post longer then 5 or 6 sentences. And I don't feel like I missed anything.

 

[Tesorodeoro]

I don’t see the issue...

A person has a core drill coated with gold (that I assume they preserved it as evidence). That also means they have an EXACT location and depth, which I assume was EXTREMELY carefully marked, measured, and referenced out.

They have photos of the FBI removing gold from the excavation at that very same location and loading it into trucks.

Enough said for me. What’s the hold up getting this in front of a judge? I mean really.

It’s been entertaining to read a revived topic, complete with tax advice and the very predictable strict monitoring and warnings that come with this topic.

A warning of my own...do not expect a penny in finders fees from the government unless it is mandatory by law, or you have a signed contract in hand. Expecting otherwise would be foolish to say the least. Are we expected to believe the government would just issue a finders fee out of the goodness of their heart because someone did the right thing in bringing it to their attention? Maybe they might pin a medal to their shirt and throw a ticker tape parade?

I just don’t get it. Is there an applicable law governing finders fees?

 

[Golden Wizard King]

Not getting a contract was maybe one of those mistakes you end up regretting for at least the next decade or in this case maybe even the rest of your life. It sounds like the group was just in the heat of the moment and rushed to action. Can't say I haven't made that mistake before. Sure hope they get something in the end.

 

[FreeBirdTim]

They have photos of the FBI removing gold from the excavation at that very same location and loading it into trucks.

I'd love to see those photos. Please post them here. Thanks.

 

[FinderKeeper]

I don’t see the issue...

A person has a core drill coated with gold (that I assume they preserved it as evidence). That also means they have an EXACT location and depth, which I assume was EXTREMELY carefully marked, measured, and referenced out.

They have photos of the FBI removing gold from the excavation at that very same location and loading it into trucks.

Enough said for me. What’s the hold up getting this in front of a judge? I mean really.

It’s been entertaining to read a revived topic, complete with tax advice and the very predictable strict monitoring and warnings that come with this topic.

A warning of my own...do not expect a penny in finders fees from the government unless it is mandatory by law, or you have a signed contract in hand. Expecting otherwise would be foolish to say the least. Are we expected to believe the government would just issue a finders fee out of the goodness of their heart because someone did the right thing in bringing it to their attention? Maybe they might pin a medal to their shirt and throw a ticker tape parade?

I just don’t get it. Is there an applicable law governing finders fees?

We had a deal with the FBI about a Finders Fee and we told them we had many other sites ready to dig . I told them we will see how things go at this site before we show them more. We were trying to work with the Gov locating treasure sites for a finder fee. Is there a law on Finders Fee, Ya but it depends on what state and if you signed anything before the dig. The FBI could not give us a amount on Finders Fee, it depends on what's found. If its Union Gold they keep most of it and we get a smaller % but if its Confederate Gold we could get a bigger %. It depends on the find , if its from Germany or Spain then its a long court fight, if its bank or train robbery and its paid by insurance company they can file a claim. So when a big find happens , every one comes in to file a claim. Then the land owner has some rights to. So why do we do this , treasure does no good just setting in the ground for many years. With what the FBI and Army has NOW they will locate every major treasure site with in a few years in the USA.

 

[FinderKeeper]

Not getting a contract was maybe one of those mistakes you end up regretting for at least the next decade or in this case maybe even the rest of your life. It sounds like the group was just in the heat of the moment and rushed to action. Can't say I haven't made that mistake before. Sure hope they get something in the end.

A contract is NO GOOD if they say they found nothing . Can't file a claim until you have proof even if we signed one. No our agreement is on video .

 

[Tesorodeoro]

We had a deal with the FBI about a Finders Fee and we told them we had many other sites ready to dig . I told them we will see how things go at this site before we show them more. We were trying to work with the Gov locating treasure sites for a finder fee. Is there a law on Finders Fee, Ya but it depends on what state and if you signed anything before the dig. The FBI could not give us a amount on Finders Fee, it depends on what's found. If its Union Gold they keep most of it and we get a smaller % but if its Confederate Gold we could get a bigger %. It depends on the find , if its from Germany or Spain then its a long court fight, if its bank or train robbery and its paid by insurance company they can file a claim. So when a big find happens , every one comes in to file a claim. Then the land owner has some rights to. So why do we do this , treasure does no good just setting in the ground for many years. With what the FBI and Army has NOW they will locate every treasure site with in a few years.

So with solid evidence in hand (an exact pin pointed location, including depth) as well as photos of them removing the gold and loading it into a truck...what’s the hold up getting this before a judge? Seems like more than enough to get the discovery process started. No need for public records requests.

So you disclosed the location of your other suspected sites prior to this search or there was some critical clue they dug up that leads them to other buried treasure locations? A skeleton clinging to an old leather treasure map! Hmm...not likely. Maybe their NEW information wasn’t dug up, rather it was gathered using other methods.

 

[FinderKeeper]

The gold was on a masonry 3/4" drill bit . No flakes just the end of the bit was covered in gold . We used a high speed drill and got the bit stuck into something and had one hell of a time getting it out. We think we melted the bit into the gold but not sure. Its hard to drill into gold and bring flakes of any amount up a 10' deep hole. We have all of this drilling on video and showed it to the FBI and they went nuts.

How do you get a 3/4" masonry drill bit down 10 feet? Been around a lot of tools in my day and I have yet to see extensions that long, have tripled up on extensions and just twisted them off.
If you have a maker of these it certainly would be appreciated.
Thank you for your reply.

We showed pictures of our long bits. We have them made up at a local welding shop. They just weld the masonry bit to a 1/2" long solid iron rod . We have them made up at 3', 6' , 9' , 12' . We start out with the 3' long bit then go deeper. Its a ***** pulling the 12' rod out with a hammer drill attached to the top . We have the same set up for core bits and metal drilling bits. The core bits can be removed and replaced on site. In the picture below that is the hole we hit the gold at and if you look at the FBI pictures I posted it all lines up. Ya and they took my black bucket thats in the picture, you can see this bucket on the left side of picture, its above our gold site. The FBI dug at the 2 sites Enviroscan found first as shown. Thats a 3" core bit , Ya we could drill 3" then bring it up each time then we put the end in the water bucket to clean it . At the end of the day we pan what is in the bucket and use a magnet .

 

[FinderKeeper]

So with solid evidence in hand (an exact pin pointed location, including depth) as well as photos of them removing the gold and loading it into a truck...what’s the hold up getting this before a judge? Seems like more than enough to get the discovery process started. No need for public records requests.

So you disclosed the location of your other suspected sites prior to this search or there was some critical clue they dug up that leads them to other buried treasure locations? A skeleton clinging to an old leather treasure map! Hmm...not likely. Maybe their NEW information wasn’t dug up, rather it was gathered using other methods.

No I did not give them the location to my other sites and I have not returned to any of them in case they follow me. They have equipment to locate metal objects down under from a chopper. I am sure they will hunt down the bigger treasure sites all over the USA first. They have to be as close to the ground to get the readings they need but the higher up they go they can cover a wider area. If they know a good spot they can check it out fast and never set foot on land. I don't know what metals they can scan for . They use it before and after they dug at our site. They came back 1 week after the dig with a Offspring or Osprey in pictured below ( this is a picture of one, this is not the one seen at Dents Run ) and the equipment to scanned the entire mountain looking for another find we have but I would not show them. They have equipment that us treasure hunters would like to have and some are up in space.

 

[Tesorodeoro]

No I did not give them the location to my other sites and I have not returned to any of them in case they follow me. They have equipment to locate metal objects down under from a chopper. I am sure they will hunt down the bigger treasure sites all over the USA first. They have to be as close to the ground to get the readings they need but the higher up they go they can cover a wider area. If they know a good spot they can check it out fast and never set foot on land. I don't know what metals they can scan for . They use it before and after they dug at our site. They came back 1 week after the dig with a Offspring or Osprey in pictured below ( this is a picture of one, this is not the one seen at Dents Run ) and the equipment to scanned the entire mountain looking for another find we have but I would not show them. They have equipment that us treasure hunters would like to have and some are up in space.

Interesting. Something to think about I guess. I’m sure they have developed technology to search for weapons caches and buried contraband....WMD, etc.

I appreciate you answering one of my questions...

 

[pepperj]

A contract is NO GOOD if they say they found nothing . Can't file a claim until you have proof even if we signed one. No our agreement is on video .

What's on video (I have not seen one if posted) The signing of a contract or a verbal agreement?

If it's a verbal it really wouldn't stand the test of time probably, reason being the higher up in the chain of command just throws the one that stated anything under the bus.

"Well field officer Mr X didn't have the authority to promise or guarantee this or that and spoke out of context and is no longer in the field dept."