Did the FBI find $600M in Civil War Gold in Pa. Forest ?

[pepperj]

We showed pictures of our long bits. We have them made up at a local welding shop. They just weld the masonry bit to a 1/2" long solid iron rod . We have them made up at 3', 6' , 9' , 12' . We start out with the 3' long bit then go deeper. Its a ***** pulling the 12' rod out with a hammer drill attached to the top . We have the same set up for core bits and metal drilling bits. The core bits can be removed and replaced on site. In the picture below that is the hole we hit the gold at and if you look at the FBI pictures I posted it all lines up. Ya and they took my black bucket thats in the picture. Thats a 3" core bit , Ya we drill 3" then bring it up each time then we put the end in the water bucket to clean it . At the end of the day we pan what is in the bucket and use a magnet .

Thank You for those explanations and pics.

What was the assay/or pan results of the wash?
Surely that a bit came up coated in gold as you claim a photo of that would be documented. What did the other gold bearing bits show?

I take one when I see a flash of a greenie in a hole for providence, and certainly of the gold. (Then again I might be just a one of-taking a photo of finds)

 

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[FinderKeeper]

Thank You for those explanations and pics.

What was the assay/or pan results of the wash?
Surely that a bit came up coated in gold as you claim a photo of that would be documented. What did the other gold bearing bits show?

I take one when I see a flash of a greenie in a hole for providence, and certainly of the gold. (Then again I might be just a one of-taking a photo of finds)

I showed DCNR the gold tip masonry bit and they said they wanted to see a big chunk of gold before they would dig it up. So they allowed us to use core bits up to 3" in size. I said I would have them made up in one week and return. It was 4 days after I said that , I returned to the site and saw someone had dug our entire gold site up. I called the state Police and DCNR had us removed from the site in 30 days. So we only had 30 days to get a chunk of gold and that did not happen. There was no way to core drill into gold and bring up a chunk. I think the gold melted or something. We could not get flakes if there was any. We used clay, putty , wax and everything to bring up gold shavings but not sure if we had shavings or what . We got the bits stuck many times and it took hours to get it out. We tried many types of bits to get anything but no luck. When we dropped a metal rod down into the hole, it hit metal and the sound was loud . Of all the holes we drilled this one was the only one we got the bits stuck every time we drilled at 10'. We used the GPL and put a copper rod in the hole and it went crazzy. The FBI saw the video of how the bits got stuck and the sound it made when dropped in the hole and that was what got things started. We drilled 21 holes in 2yrs , 16 were 3/4" holes before DCNR was on site and 5 were 3" core holes after someone dug up our site. The first year we drilled in the silver area and it was DCNR that showed us how to drill. We drilled holes so we could get our 3/4"copper rods down 10' so we could use the GPL and get the best readings for silver and gold. Then the 2nd yr we drilled in the gold area . We did not want to drill into any of the bars and damage them. Each gold bar was worth $1 million at the time so no one wanted us to damage them. It was in the last 30 days we had orders to get a chunk of gold.
When we panned the mud in the bucket we had iron shavings but we think that was from our bits, no silver or gold shavings came up. We sent a snake cam down to get a picture but because we use water to drill the water reflected back a high shine and we could not be sure if it was gold we saw or what. We returned when the hole was dry and tried again but dirt fell down and covered the bottom. We tried drilling into lead bars to see how the bits would work and it just made a shredded mess with no shavings. Everything just stayed together.

 

[Carl-NC]

The gold was on a masonry 3/4" drill bit . No flakes just the end of the bit was covered in gold .

Surely you still have that drill bit, or at least good photos of it, plus samples of the gold?

That was called a GPL, it shoots low voltage electric from one copper pin to another pin. The GPL picks up the readings. Its much like a lighting rod when it hits electric. If the current hits iron or led the current slows down but when it hits silver or gold the charged current will speed up. The GPL showed gold 30 to 25 readings many times over the years. By drilling 21 holes in a 12' sq area and placing 3/4" copper rods in each hole , we could take the best gold readings to know the size and location . ( Once again my apologies for not correctly naming these highly sophisticated device(s) used ).

That's not how the GPL works, regardless of what the manual might state. The GPL is poor-man's Earth resistivity meter. It is barely useful for demonstrating the basic concept of Earth resistivity, beyond that it's a piece of junk. The meter with its "GOLD" indication is meaningless. The GPL-8 sells for $6450 but you can easily build one for about $100, that's how simplistic it is. BTW, I own an Accumeter VI which is an identical design.

FK, what were the LRLs you used? I probably own the same ones as well.

 

[FinderKeeper]

Surely you still have that drill bit, or at least good photos of it, plus samples of the gold?



That's not how the GPL works, regardless of what the manual might state. The GPL is poor-man's Earth resistivity meter. It is barely useful for demonstrating the basic concept of Earth resistivity, beyond that it's a piece of junk. The meter with its "GOLD" indication is meaningless. The GPL-8 sells for $6450 but you can easily build one for about $100, that's how simplistic it is. BTW, I own an Accumeter VI which is an identical design.

FK, what were the LRLs you used? I probably own the same ones as well.

You stated the GPL was JUNK a few years back and in that same statement you said you own 2 of them if they are junk why spend another $6450 for the 2nd one. The GPL is only as good as the person using it as many other tools of the trade are.

I know a lot of treasure hunters say bad things about Dowsing, LRL's , Two Box and GPL's and I think they do it to keep other treasure hunters from buying them because they don't want competition. This is just my thoughts , I use them all . Thank You

 

[Singlestack Wonder]

We had a deal with the FBI about a Finders Fee and we told them we had many other sites ready to dig . I told them we will see how things go at this site before we show them more. We were trying to work with the Gov locating treasure sites for a finder fee. Is there a law on Finders Fee, Ya but it depends on what state and if you signed anything before the dig. The FBI could not give us a amount on Finders Fee, it depends on what's found. If its Union Gold they keep most of it and we get a smaller % but if its Confederate Gold we could get a bigger %. It depends on the find , if its from Germany or Spain then its a long court fight, if its bank or train robbery and its paid by insurance company they can file a claim. So when a big find happens , every one comes in to file a claim. Then the land owner has some rights to. So why do we do this , treasure does no good just setting in the ground for many years. With what the FBI and Army has NOW they will locate every major treasure site with in a few years in the USA.

Revealing a potential location to the fbi without getting a signed contract doesn’t seem like sound logic if you absolutely knew gold was buried there. With a signed contract of which you would have a copy, even if the fbi denied it, a good lawyer could take them to court and at least get the truth out in the public eye.

You made a statement that a U.S. plane dumped a load of gold over Russia not long after the fbi left Dent’s Run. Were you inferring that was the gold from Dent’s Run?

 

[Carl-NC]

I think I paid $200 or so for the Accumeter, and it was due to curiosity. I wouldn't pay that much for another one. I may have another one, I honestly can't remember; if I do it was given to me.

Dowsing & LRLs are pure fantasy, they work no better than prior knowledge and pure luck allow. I own over 50 LRLs, most of them given to me, and I've dissected a number of them just for laughs. Anyone using those for treasure hunting ain't serious about treasure hunting. The GPL is a "barely works" device, not useful, although a quality resistivity meter can be useful, depending on the situation. 2-box detectors can work pretty good if you know how to use one. I've seen too many people who don't.

BTW, if you had a ton of gold 5 feet deep a decent large-coil PI would have screamed at this. I think you guys were using all the wrong tools.

So what happened to that gold-covered drill bit? Is there is pic?

 

[Tesorodeoro]

FK as long as you are answering a few questions... did you ever lower a detector coil down the hole?

I’m also wondering if you built a bailer bucket in order to retrieve loose material in the bottom of the hole?

What was the point of drilling if the goal was to avoid hitting/damaging a $1 million dollar gold bar? Seems counter intuitive?

Did you take photos under magnification of the drill bit that you suspected was stuck in gold and that may have melted it? I can tell you it didn’t melt it! Takes almost 2000 deg. F to melt gold...I’m sure you looked into that. Seems like under magnification it would look pretty clear a soft yellow metal embedded into the steel. Brass maybe...gold maybe...

Did you look for SILVER while you were there, or only focused on gold? I seem to remember some talk about silver coins of some sort.

Then of course there was the skeleton...did they excavate that area too?

 

[FinderKeeper]

QUOTE=Tesorodeoro;6684024]FK as long as you are answering a few questions... did you ever lower a detector coil down the hole?

I’m also wondering if you built a bailer bucket in order to retrieve loose material in the bottom of the hole? We only drilled 3/4" holes down to 10'. That was all DCNR would allow. We used the 3"core bit when we had only 2 weeks left to finish our research. We hit this hole sometime just before we had to leave and did not have time to try everything. We did drop a pin pointer down the hole and it went off but it could not tell us gold or what metal was there. No we could not send down a hand held detector, the hole was to small. We tried to suck up shavings but what we used did not have the suction to suck up gold. Hay we tried everything we could think of at the time.

What was the point of drilling if the goal was to avoid hitting/damaging a $1 million dollar gold bar? Seems counter intuitive? Good question, DCNR didn't want us to damage anything so thats why they let us use a masonary bit, it will not drill into gold or silver. When we hit metal we had to call Harrisburg DCNR and they came in to check things out, It was then they said get a chunk of gold. We just did as they allowed us. Hay we worked with DCNR for 7 yrs and gave them reports every trip. We spent 5yrs in the cave working our way back 45' and they allowed us to drill 3/4" holes so we could put our copper rods in the back of the cave and in the side walls to locate metal.

Did you take photos under magnification of the drill bit that you suspected was stuck in gold and that may have melted it? I can tell you it didn’t melt it! Takes almost 2000 deg. F to melt gold...I’m sure you looked into that. Seems like under magnification it would look pretty clear a soft yellow metal embedded into the steel. Brass maybe...gold maybe... We tried to take pictures of it but the bit was so shinny it was had to photo. It was not a major thing to do at the time , hay we were just glad DCNR was letting us core drill. We thought in a few days of core drilling this hunt would end and dug up. We never found out if we melted into gold or what it was , I had hope the FBI would prove that when they dug the site. I still need to know what it was we hit. If you saw the video it looks like we drilled into some kind of metal and the GPL said gold .

Did you look for SILVER while you were there, We spent 1 yr drilling in the silver area. or only focused on gold? I seem to remember some talk about silver coins of some sort. The silver area was 12'wide at bottom and going up hill 22' into the back of the cave. It was L shape. The gold area started at the lower right end of the L shape. The gold was in the back room of the cave. Our best guess was 2' x 2' x 4' in size. We think the silver was put in the cave in 1812 by local Indians and it was the Parker/ Blackbeard 7 1/2 tons of silver. It went back beyond the back room and into a smaller cave that went up hill. The water pressure pushed it out of the smaller cave into the back room .

Then of course there was the skeleton...did they excavate that area too?[/QUOTE] I have no idea. We showed the FBI the video we took with Indian skeleton and artifacts but that was something they did not want to hear about. They told us they had the right people on site to take care of the artifacts and check it out. We thought the dig would last 1 week or more with everything there was in this cave..

 

[FinderKeeper]

What's on video (I have not seen one if posted) The signing of a contract or a verbal agreement?

If it's a verbal it really wouldn't stand the test of time probably, reason being the higher up in the chain of command just throws the one that stated anything under the bus.

"Well field officer Mr X didn't have the authority to promise or guarantee this or that and spoke out of context and is no longer in the field dept."

This is something I can not talk about YET

 

[Tesorodeoro]

QUOTE=Tesorodeoro;6684024]FK as long as you are answering a few questions... did you ever lower a detector coil down the hole?

I’m also wondering if you built a bailer bucket in order to retrieve loose material in the bottom of the hole? We only drilled 3/4" holes down to 10'. That was all DCNR would allow. We used the 3"core bit when we had only 2 weeks left to finish our research. We hit this hole sometime just before we had to leave and did not have time to try everything. We did drop a pin pointer down the hole and it went off but it could not tell us gold or what metal was there. No we could not send down a hand held detector, the hole was to small. We tried to suck up shavings but what we used did not have the suction to suck up gold. Hay we tried everything we could think of at the time.

What was the point of drilling if the goal was to avoid hitting/damaging a $1 million dollar gold bar? Seems counter intuitive? Good question, DCNR didn't want us to damage anything so thats why they let us use a masonary bit, it will not drill into gold or silver. When we hit metal we had to call Harrisburg DCNR and they came in to check things out, It was then they said get a chunk of gold. We just did as they allowed us. Hay we worked with DCNR for 7 yrs and gave them reports every trip. We spent 5yrs in the cave working our way back 45' and they allowed us to drill 3/4" holes so we could put our copper rods in the back of the cave and in the side walls to locate metal.

Did you take photos under magnification of the drill bit that you suspected was stuck in gold and that may have melted it? I can tell you it didn’t melt it! Takes almost 2000 deg. F to melt gold...I’m sure you looked into that. Seems like under magnification it would look pretty clear a soft yellow metal embedded into the steel. Brass maybe...gold maybe... We tried to take pictures of it but the bit was so shinny it was had to photo. It was not a major thing to do at the time , hay we were just glad DCNR was letting us core drill. We thought in a few days of core drilling this hunt would end and dug up. We never found out if we melted into gold or what it was , I had hope the FBI would prove that when they dug the site. I still need to know what it was we hit. If you saw the video it looks like we drilled into some kind of metal and the GPL said gold .

Did you look for SILVER while you were there, We spent 1 yr drilling in the silver area. or only focused on gold? I seem to remember some talk about silver coins of some sort. The silver area was 12'wide at bottom and going up hill 22' into the back of the cave. It was L shape. The gold area started at the lower right end of the L shape. The gold was in the back room of the cave. Our best guess was 2' x 2' x 4' in size. We think the silver was put in the cave in 1812 by local Indians and it was the Parker/ Blackbeard 7 1/2 tons of silver. It went back beyond the back room and into a smaller cave that went up hill. The water pressure pushed it out of the smaller cave into the back room .

Then of course there was the skeleton...did they excavate that area too?

I have no idea. We showed the FBI the video we took with Indian skeleton and artifacts but that was something they did not want to hear about. They told us they had the right people on site to take care of the artifacts and check it out. We thought the dig would last 1 week or more with everything there was in this cave..[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the attention. Interesting story regardless.

I am curious how you think water pressure pushed 1-1/2 tons of silver around in a cave or am I misunderstanding what you are saying? Didn’t seem to be much of a creek there.

Did it ever cross your mind that you were the focus of the criminal investigation?
Just an odd thought I had considering you were involved with the FBI to some extent. No accusations intended. Just trying to put myself in your shoes. Lots of guessing going on Im sure.

 

[FinderKeeper]

Revealing a potential location to the fbi without getting a signed contract doesn’t seem like sound logic if you absolutely knew gold was buried there. With a signed contract of which you would have a copy, even if the fbi denied it, a good lawyer could take them to court and at least get the truth out in the public eye. That is what we are trying to do. We been in court many times so far and we won , now we wait for them to find or give us what we been asking for in their files. Then we are off to Federal Court.

You made a statement that a U.S. plane dumped a load of gold over Russia not long after the fbi left Dent’s Run. Were you inferring that was the gold from Dent’s Run?

Hay I have no idea , But the FBI said 9 tons of gold at Dents Run ( Not Me ) and 18hrs after the last armored truck left Dents Run 9 tons of silver and gold fell from a plane on to run way. How many times do we see 9 tons of gold in the news with in 18 hrs. It is possible for a cargo plane going 500mph from Pittsburg to Russia to make this happen but thats another story. Just something that needs looking into when the truth comes out.

Gold Bars, Precious Metal Worth Some $368M Fall From Plane During Takeoff in Russia | KTLA


Tons of gold fall from sky in Russian cargo plane blunder (VIDEO, PHOTOS) — RT World News

 

[Singlestack Wonder]

Hay I have no idea , But the FBI said 9 tons of gold at Dents Run ( Not Me ) and 18hrs after the last armored truck left Dents Run 9 tons of silver and gold fell from a plane on to run way. How many times do we see 9 tons of gold in the news with in 18 hrs. It is possible for a cargo plane going 500mph from Pittsburg to Russia to make this happen but thats another story. Just something that needs looking into when the truth comes out.

Gold Bars, Precious Metal Worth Some $368M Fall From Plane During Takeoff in Russia | KTLA


Tons of gold fall from sky in Russian cargo plane blunder (VIDEO, PHOTOS) – RT World News

Both news sources state the gold belonged to a Russian company. Obviously no connection to Dents Run. Not sure why you felt that the Russian plane incident was relevant in the discussion about Dents Run. That quite a stretch believing that the fbi turned gold over to the Russians....

 

[FinderKeeper]

I have no idea. We showed the FBI the video we took with Indian skeleton and artifacts but that was something they did not want to hear about. They told us they had the right people on site to take care of the artifacts and check it out. We thought the dig would last 1 week or more with everything there was in this cave..

Thanks for the attention. Interesting story regardless.

I am curious how you think water pressure pushed 1-1/2 tons of silver around in a cave or am I misunderstanding what you are saying? Didn’t seem to be much of a creek there. In the back of the cave there was a small spring that ran most of the time but 1 or 2 times a year that area gets hit with a lot of rain . I have videos of major water like white water coming out of it. The cave sets in a valley or dry rive bed so when it rained a lot of water came into it. The smaller cave in the back room was around 12" to 16" high and not sure how wide. We think the Indians put all of the silver in this small cave and sealed it up but a major rain storm pushed it open and the silver came in to the big dome shape room. Later in 1864 we think the Union Solders put the gold bars in the dome room but they had to see the silver to. We will never know if any of this happened if the FBI does not talk.

Did it ever cross your mind that you were the focus of the criminal investigation?
Just an odd thought I had considering you were involved with the FBI to some extent. No accusations intended. Just trying to put myself in your shoes. Lots of guessing going on Im sure.[/QUOTE] We called the FBI 3years after DCNR made us leave. I am sure they checked us out before they decided to look at the info we had.

 

[KANACKI]

Both news sources state the gold belonged to a Russian company. Obviously no connection to Dents Run. Not sure why you felt that the Russian plane incident was relevant in the discussion about Dents Run. That quite a stretch believing that the fbi turned gold over to the Russians....

Hola Singlestack wonder

That Russian company is actually owned Kinross mining, a Canadian mining Company the dore bars was mixture of gold and silver as they had not been refined. Kinross has business interests in Tasiast, Mauritania, Nevada Exploration Chulbatkan, Russia, Alaska Projects and La Coipa & Lobo-Marte, Chile. I have shares in Kinross

So Finderkeepers is not helping himself making in public allusions to that Russian event being connected with his claims about the FBI.

Kanacki

 

[FinderKeeper]

Hola Singlestack wonder

That Russian company is actually owned Kinross mining, a Canadian mining Company the dore bars was mixture of gold and silver as they had not been refined. Kinross has business interests in Tasiast, Mauritania, Nevada Exploration Chulbatkan, Russia, Alaska Projects and La Coipa & Lobo-Marte, Chile. I have shares in Kinross

So Finderkeepers is not helping himself making in public allusions to that Russian event being connected with his claims about the FBI.

Kanacki

I did not say it was the Dents Run gold , I just stated its the same size load, and how many times do you read about 9 tons of gold in 24 hrs. I think its amazing this happened 18hrs right after the last armored truck left. What are the odds. We had gold and silver bars headed to a refinery to, and what are the odds the company has capital letters KGC in its name Kinross Gold Corporation . Ya its just something we had looked at but thats about it.

 

[pepperj]

I did not say it was the Dents Run gold , I just stated its the same size load, and how many times do you read about 9 tons of gold in 24 hrs. I think its amazing this happened 18hrs right after the last armored truck left. What are the odds. We had gold and silver bars headed to a refinery to, and what are the odds the company has capital letters KGC in its name Kinross Gold Corporation . Ya its just something we had looked at but thats about it.

"We had gold and silver bars headed to a refinery to, and what are the odds the company has capital letters KGC in its name Kinross Gold Corporation ."

Who's "We" ?

 

[FinderKeeper]

"We had gold and silver bars headed to a refinery to,

Who's "We" ?

OK so I said it wrong, The gold in Russia was going to a refinery , and WE or our gold USA ( Dents Run ) was headed to the Philadelphia Mint to.

The gold and silver at Dents Run belongs to the people (we ) and even though the FBI thinks they own it , we the people have the right to know what happened to it. I am not that good at typing things out, SORRY

 

[GoDeep]

A few days away from posting helped to clear the mind and bring a fresh view of the overall picture.

FK, you previously posted you have nearing 10,000 pictures of the site from your trail cams. In previous trail cam pictures i noticed some were even at night on the actual excavator digging. With a estimated hall of 10+ tons of gold and silver, you'd have 100's of photos of workers entering the hole and removing bar after bar of bullion, hours worth of work with 1000's of trips in and out of the hole no doubt. Can you share some of those pictures with us?

 

[Tesorodeoro]

A few days away from posting helped to clear the mind and bring a fresh view of the overall picture.

FK, you previously posted you have nearing 10,000 pictures of the site from your trail cams. In previous trail cam pictures i noticed some were even at night on the actual excavator digging. With a estimated hall of 10+ tons of gold and silver, you'd have 100's of photos of workers entering the hole and removing bar after bar of bullion, hours worth of work no doubt. Can you share some of those pictures with us?

I would suspect if they were in possession of said photos AND it was in their best interest to share or it would not compromise their anticipated case they would have shared them already.

Being that you are attempting to debunk or prove a story one way or the other, surely you know that an attorney wouldn’t advise to share ANY photos until they were demanded by court order and/or presented in court. Unless all legal avenues have been exhausted, which doesn’t sound like is the case.

 

[GoDeep]

I would suspect if they were in possession of said photos AND it was in their best interest to share or it would not compromise their anticipated case they would have shared them already.

Being that you are attempting to debunk or prove a story one way or the other, surely you know that an attorney wouldn’t advise to share ANY photos until they were demanded by court order and/or presented in court. Unless all legal avenues have been exhausted, which doesn’t sound like is the case.

You must not be aware of the history, he's already shared dozens of photo's of the site, including ones where he circled things that he thought could be gold or artifacts being removed from the hole.

Here's even a quote from a previous thread, where he even indicates he's willing to share them, even the best ones for last, so now would be a great time to see them, it'd put this all to rest in a heartbeat:

"Ha we have a lot more pictures to show soon. I am holding the good ones for last."