Did the FBI find $600M in Civil War Gold in Pa. Forest ?

[Duckshot]

I think The Warren Report is just the official conspiracy theory, Honest Samuel. The truth gets buried pretty deep sometimes. I mean, if you want to keep a slave the last thing you want them to know is the truth.

 

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[GoDeep]

We will have more info by Monday

Any updates?

 

[FinderKeeper]

https://www.fbi.gov/contact-us/fiel...atement-on-elk-county-pennsylvania-excavation

As you can see they said its a on going investigation , that means they can say anything they want because its a investigation. Why would they say Ya we found gold if the people they were investigating found out . They would cover their tracks and hide everything they did but to let them think nothing was found and they think they got away with it is what we all thought this was about.
So when they ask us to stay quiet until the investigation was done we did for 1yr.


The police can lie to you during a investigation , BUT you can not lie to them . This is the same rule. I am glad you posted this link so a lot of members now know if they say , Nothing was found , that's not all ways the truth.

Do you believe everything you see on TV news or in the news paper ( FAKE NEWS ) this is the same thing

 

[FinderKeeper]

Disagree, As a former LE officer of 11 years, i can assure you it is standard operating procedure of LE to close off a crime scene while it is being processed. The FBI viewed this as a crime scene. You can choose to believe it's nefarious, but it isn't. Often, some departments are so strict, they won't even let in other non essential officers on the scene.

Heres a good read in pertinent part about crime scene processing:



"Many times the arrival of additional personnel can cause problems in protecting the scene. Only those people responsible for the immediate investigation of the crime, the securing of the crime scene, and the processing of the crime scene should be present. Non-essential police officers, district attorney investigators, federal agents, politicians, etc. should never be allowed into a secured crime scene unless they can add something (other than contamination) to the crime scene investigation."

No you got it wrong , this is not like the work you did. The FBI told us we would be on site when the dig happens and they told DCNR they could take pictures of the dig when it happened and none of this happened. The State Police never made it up to the site. There were armed guards all over the entire mountain NOT JUST THE CRIME SCENE , why keep every one so far away , so they can't see whats going on

 

[GoDeep]

. The FBI told us we would be on site when the dig happens and they told DCNR they could take pictures of the dig when it happened and none of this happened.

True, LE will tell you a lot of things to get you to talk, or make you feel at ease or to avoid conflict etc etc. Doesn't mean they have any obligation to follow through.

Plus, as you just got done writing yourself:

The police can lie to you during a investigation

 

[wingmaster]

So anybody that can take a photo of some military helicopters flying over can prove they found a fortune in treasure, pretty sure it doesn't work that way. If they knew how the FBI is like stated why clue them in on anything in the first place, doesn't seem smart to me or doesn't instill confidence that one could be a good treasure hunter.

 

[GoDeep]

So anybody that can take a photo of some military helicopters flying over can prove they found a fortune in treasure, pretty sure it doesn't work that way. If they knew how the FBI is like stated why clue them in on anything in the first place, doesn't seem smart to me or doesn't instill confidence that one could be a good treasure hunter.

The problem is, for FK, it was Treasure Hunt, a chance to find a significant piece of history. Once FK contacted the FBI, for them, first and foremost, it was a CRIMINAL investigation of stolen US property as well as possible murder, it is why they went through normal channels of obtaining a search warrant, it is why they closed off the potential crime scene once they started processing it, it is why they are tight lipped and the file remains sealed.

Once FK realizes this, that they weren't his friends, that this was a criminal investigation, all these things he views as nefarious, are just standard operating procedure for LE across this great nation of ours.

I'm truly sorry you felt betrayed by them FK and I know it's hard not to take it personally.

 

[FinderKeeper]

Any updates?

No word yet on the missing warrant , maybe Tuesday,

update 2/3/21 No one can find the warrant. I will post info when I know more.

 

[FinderKeeper]

The problem is, for FK, it was Treasure Hunt, a chance to find a significant piece of history. Once FK contacted the FBI, for them, first and foremost, it was a CRIMINAL investigation of stolen US property as well as possible murder, it is why they went through normal channels of obtaining a search warrant, it is why they closed off the crime scene once they started processing it, it is why they are tight lipped and the file remains sealed.

Once FK realizes this, that they weren't his friends, that this was a criminal investigation, all these things he views as nefarious, are just standard operating procedure for LE across this great nation of ours.

I'm truly sorry you felt betrayed by them FK and I know it's hard not to take it personally.

So wrong again the FBI’s Art Crimes Division was involved in the probe, no murder . There are only 16 FBI agents that head this kind of hunt in the USA and the FBI had 3 of them at Dents Run. The criminal investigation was not for were this lost gold came from but did anyone dig at the site and remove some before the FBI came in.

This was in the last news report ( below)

Cluck and his clients are deeply skeptical about the FBI’s claim that it found nothing during the Dent’s Run dig. Cluck said the fact that the FBI’s Art Crimes Division was involved in the probe and the veil of secrecy the feds tossed over the matter just adds to their suspicions.

He said the feds sealed the documents in the case under a claim it is an ongoing criminal investigation.

 

[GoDeep]

[FONT="]So wrong again the FBI’s Art Crimes Division was involved in the probe, no murder . There are only 16 FBI agents that head this kind of hunt in the USA and the FBI had 3 of them at Dents Run. The criminal investigation was not for were this lost gold came from but did anyone dig at the site and remove some before the FBI came in.[/FONT]

Yes, art crimes division, exactly my point, it was a criminal investigation. You haven't had access to the file nor the warrant, so you can't say they weren't also investigating missing persons, stolen goods, murder, crime scene tampering etc etc etc. You yourself also said you had found bones near the scene, so they darn well would have had their eye open for other evidence of wrongdoing, not just stolen gold.

Correct me if i'm wrong, but some of the history on it alleges that dead soldiers were found along with the wagons, but no gold and other accounts allege that bones were found several years later. Those allegations maybe untrue, but the FBI would have still kept an open mind and would have been down right negligent if they didn't also look for evidence of murder for those alleged missing/dead soldiers and bones.

 

[NewAge]

Cluck and his clients are deeply skeptical about the FBI’s claim that it found nothing during the Dent’s Run dig.

Isnt Cluck your attorney?

I was thinking you had proof that they recovered the gold and then covered it up.....could you please expand on this to clear up the issue about weather you are skeptical or positive about the gold being recovered at Dents Run.

There is a big difference in being skeptical or positive that something happened.

 

[pepperj]

As you can see they said its a on going investigation , that means they can say anything they want because its a investigation. Why would they say Ya we found gold if the people they were investigating found out . They would cover their tracks and hide everything they did but to let them think nothing was found and they think they got away with it is what we all thought this was about.
So when they ask us to stay quiet until the investigation was done we did for 1yr.


The police can lie to you during a investigation , BUT you can not lie to them . This is the same rule. I am glad you posted this link so a lot of members now know if they say , Nothing was found , that's not all ways the truth.

Do you believe everything you see on TV news or in the news paper ( FAKE NEWS ) this is the same thing

To answer your query on the last line I'm not a viewer of reality TV sorry I just am more of a person rather see the factual world of things. So that would exclude me from your viewership of previous production(s).
For the newspaper/online, I read only factual written articles or from credible sources (articles that have been vetted) That's the thing FK everything else sort of falls into (FN).

This leads me to ask a question of you now (only fare I believe in any debate).
Now stay with me as I am not going to spend a whole lot of time going through the hundreds of posts that have been done from multiple threads over the years to find out what was used for equipment.

You claimed that you and your team used drill equipment that showed bearing gold-(question if there was a photo/assay report-not ever answered by you), you used some sort of rods that were inserted into the earth that gave you (which gave out a reading/picture/blips/graphs) of this mass of gold bars-that is true right? ( Once again my apologies for not correctly naming these highly sophisticated device(s) used ).

This gave you the evidence that you were seeking (without doubt) to go forward in providing the proof to the FBI and other agencies in good faith to reap your finders reward? Is that correct?

Your claim is well documented that they took the said information - carried out the excavation - recovered the gold - left without saying so much as a thank you. Is this correct?

Last question sir: What did the post dig reading show from using the sophisticated equipment (the very same that would of been used to documented the original base to your findings).
Because certainly you have done such a simple task without incurring too much expense.
It would be certain that any law firm worth their salt would show these finding in discoveries (future). (Assuming that the legal system in the USA has such )
Because the burden of proof lays on you to prove pre/post evidence of the dig.

Once again I do apologize for asking these questions and I hope they are within the rules and regulations of TN forums to be asking clarification.
Thank you

 

[Carl-NC]

1, The Radar was not the only tool we used we had many companys at this site and even the FBI brought in Enviroscan and if that was not enough, we core drilled 21 holes at the site and hit GOLD.

FK, if a core drill hit gold bars then you would have ended up with core samples with a heckuvalotta gold in them. Not talking about parts per million, but ounces at a minimum. What happened to those core samples?

Now stay with me as I am not going to spend a whole lot of time going through the hundreds of posts that have been done from multiple threads over the years to find out what was used for equipment.

You claimed that you and your team used drill equipment that showed bearing gold-(question if there was a photo/assay report-not ever answered by you), you used some sort of rods that were inserted into the earth that gave you (which gave out a reading/picture/blips/graphs) of this mass of gold bars-that is true right? ( Once again my apologies for not correctly naming these highly sophisticated device(s) used ).

My recollection from previous threads is that FK used one or more long range locator (LRL) devices to locate the general site. But LRLs are pure make-believe so those results cannot be taken seriously. There was also a gravimetric survey done (I think by Enviroscan) that supposedly showed X tons (I've seen different numbers) of buried gold, but gravimetric scans cannot possibly determine buried gold or not. I've also seen mention of GPR but GPR also cannot distinguish gold. So far, I haven't seen anything that could possibly indicate buried gold, and no actual results from the methods that were used.

 

[Kantuckkeean]

Two FBI agents were killed and three others were wounded in the line of duty today while serving a warrant in a child pornography investigation. Laura Schwartzenberger was survived by her husband and two children. She had worked in the Miami Field Office since 2005 and specialized in violent crimes against children. Daniel Alfin also specialized in crimes against children. He was survived by his wife and child. FBI Director Wray said, "Special Agent Alfin and Special Agent Schwartzenberger exemplified heroism today in defense of their country. The FBI will always honor their ultimate sacrifice and will be forever grateful for their bravery."

https://apnews.com/article/fbi-agents-killed-florida-4c5b7cfc67469f9954491a04fdefe96b

I wish that I could thank them for their service. My heart goes out to their families and friends.

Kantuck

 

[Honest Samuel]

Nothing about this subject. Thanks # 134. Most FBI agents are hard working men and women who work hard to protect us, including our young children who in all countries are sexually abuse. May these agents find their way to Heaven, and my heart goes out to their co workers, friends and families .

 

[FinderKeeper]

To answer your query on the last line I'm not a viewer of reality TV sorry I just am more of a person rather see the factual world of things. So that would exclude me from your viewership of previous production(s).
For the newspaper/online, I read only factual written articles or from credible sources (articles that have been vetted) That's the thing FK everything else sort of falls into (FN).

This leads me to ask a question of you now (only fare I believe in any debate).
Now stay with me as I am not going to spend a whole lot of time going through the hundreds of posts that have been done from multiple threads over the years to find out what was used for equipment.

You claimed that you and your team used drill equipment that showed bearing gold-(question if there was a photo/assay report-not ever answered by you) , The gold was on a masonry 3/4" drill bit . No flakes just the end of the bit was covered in gold . We used a high speed drill and got the bit stuck into something and had one hell of a time getting it out. We think we melted the bit into the gold but not sure. Its hard to drill into gold and bring flakes of any amount up a 10' deep hole. We have all of this drilling on video and showed it to the FBI and they went nuts.
you used some sort of rods that were inserted into the earth that gave you (which gave out a reading/picture/blips/graphs) of this mass of gold bars-that is true right? That was called a GPL, it shoots low voltage electric from one copper pin to another pin. The GPL picks up the readings. Its much like a lighting rod when it hits electric. If the current hits iron or led the current slows down but when it hits silver or gold the charged current will speed up. The GPL showed gold 30 to 25 readings many times over the years. By drilling 21 holes in a 12' sq area and placing 3/4" copper rods in each hole , we could take the best gold readings to know the size and location . ( Once again my apologies for not correctly naming these highly sophisticated device(s) used ).

This gave you the evidence that you were seeking (without doubt) to go forward in providing the proof to the FBI and other agencies in good faith to reap your finders reward? Is that correct? Yes

Your claim is well documented that they took the said information - carried out the excavation - recovered the gold - left without saying so much as a thank you. Is this correct? They would not tell us what they found and asked us to keep quiet until the investigation was done.

Last question sir: What did the post dig reading show from using the sophisticated equipment (the very same that would of been used to documented the original base to your findings). The FBI paid $5,000 for Enviroscan to scan the area and it took them 5 1/2 hrs . The report said there was 7 to 9 tons of gold at the 1 spot I said there was 2 1/2 tons. BUT they located 2 more sites close by and said I missed more gold. The FBI would not talk about the two other sites other to say they were only 4' to 5' down under. These are the two of the first sites the FBI dug at on day 1 of the dig. They said they were close and easy to get to. Did they find anything in each hole YES, can I talk about NO, not yet. This is part of what they were investigating.
Because certainly you have done such a simple task without incurring too much expense.
It would be certain that any law firm worth their salt would show these finding in discoveries (future). (Assuming that the legal system in the USA has such )
Because the burden of proof lays on you to prove pre/post evidence of the dig. We want to tell and show everything BUT we can not talk about things until the investigation ends. We are not sure if the FBI can hold us to that agreement so we been quiet but all things come to a end, soon.

Once again I do apologize for asking these questions and I hope they are within the rules and regulations of TN forums to be asking clarification.
Thank you

I hope this helps

 

[GoDeep]

As I recall, Enviroscan reported it as a "large metal object", they did not definitively declare it was gold (no reputable company would ever risk it's reputation on a definitive statement like that). Even then, as we all know as TH's, even it reading as gold or a "large metal object" can be a false positive or a piece of roof tin or a cast iron stove. Scans give a million more (probably more like a billion) false positives then they turn up pots of gold.

A scan is not "Proof" of gold or dents run gold, a scan is simply one more piece of circumstantial evidence used to determine whether it's worth digging in a spot. The only proof, is after something is dug up, analyzed by labs and historians, and then those expects and lab analysis submit their findings as "proof" of what the objects are.

 

[FinderKeeper]

As I recall, Enviroscan reported it as a "large metal object", they did not definitively declare it was gold (no reputable company would ever risk it's reputation on a definitive statement like that). Even then, as we all know as TH's, even it reading as gold or a "large metal object" can be a false positive or a piece of roof tin or a cast iron stove. Scans give a million more (probably more like a billion) false positives then they turn up pots of gold.

A scan is not "Proof" of gold or dents run gold, a scan is simply one more piece of circumstantial evidence used to determine whether it's worth digging in a spot. The only proof, is after something is dug up, analyzed by labs and historians, and then those expects and lab analysis submit their findings as "proof" of what the objects are.

NO you are wrong again, It was the Radar Company that said a large metal object was at that spot, Enviroscan said it was 7 to 9 tons of gold with a reading of 18 and thats solid gold. These companys are the best we have in the USA and you question their answers and think you know more than they do. Why you twist every thing around is why none of this hunt makes any sense to you. I try to answer your questions but you have your mind set that nothing was found and you must live with that until this hunt comes to a end. I am done answering your questions. Thank You

 

[GoDeep]

NO you are wrong again, It was the Radar Company that said a large metal object was at that spot, Enviroscan said it was 7 to 9 tons of gold with a reading of 18 and thats solid gold.

Literally just got off the phone with Enviroscan (bought out by Rettew in 2018). I inquired about doing ground scans for buried precious metals, they said they can NOT definitively identify metal types by scanning alone. They said they can make an educated guess but that is the extent of it without excavating and lab analysis.

Feel free to contact them: https://www.rettew.com/welcome-enviroscan/

 

[GoDeep]

Here's a quote from an early article on the dig:

"Within a month, they said, the FBI had hired an outside firm to conduct an underground scan using a device called a gravimeter. The scan identified a large metallic mass with the density of gold, according to the Paradas and Warren Getler, an author and journalist who's been working with them."

So it was read as a mass with the density of gold, not definitively gold as the gravimeter doesn't identify the mineral type, only it's density which can vary depending on purity(density of pure 24k gold is 19.3). Tungsten also has a density identical to gold (19.3), iridosmine is identical to gold (19.3), rhenium and uranium (19.1) nearly identical to gold too, all vary too depending on the purity, which is consistent with what they told me on the phone, that one would need to remove it to determine what exactly it is. One also has to take into account the accuracy of the gravimeter and what can cause false or inaccurate readings, which i'll try to research further when i get a chance.