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snyper77

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Dig all signals??? What's your advice?

I'm running an Ace 250 in jewelry mode. As you all know, gold rings, nickels, and pull tabs all show up as the same icon on the screen. I've dug my share of those soft drink pull tabs. No rings yet. I guess I don't have a choice if I really wanna find a gold ring one day huh?
While I'm on this topic, I've been thinking about upgrading to an X-terra70 or 705. Can you discriminate out the pulltabs while keeping the gold rings on those machines? :icon_scratch:
 
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I dig everything , an sorry but with the 250 you knock out the pulltabs you knock out the gold ,I run mine in jewelry mode an only thing I do is drop the discrimination down a couple bars an I'm off an hunting ,I've gotten gold an silver jewelry an coins with mine ,sorry to have to say it but if you want the treasures you gotta work for em gold an silver is mixed with everything else .
 
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If you are getting too much aluminum junk in the locale you're hunting at, try a location that's got better jewelry ratios, to begin with. Namely swimming beaches.

I chuckle when I see the admonition people give for finding gold jewelry: "turn down the disc. to dig all the foil, tabs, etc...". And then the poor newbie goes out to an inner city blighted urban park, and digs 1000 pieces of junk for each piece of gold jewelry! So obviously this "turn down the disc" thing is only half the equation. The other half is "location location location"
 
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The range is not a quirk with the 250 - Just about any detector, pull tabs, foil & gold congregate in the same area of the spectrum.
You have to keep in mind, what the detector tells you is only an electronic best guess, and its up to you top make the decision to dig or not to dig.
Don't know how long you have been using it, but any machine you will learn more of what its trying to tell you.
Just about any ring will have a very sharp ding and focused pinpoint, while foil and other odd metal junk usually do not. The difference is almost imperceptible for the layman - But when you find enough gold/silver rings, pulltabs, foil, nickels ect, you will learn the slight differences in the tone of the ding and the sharpness of the pinpoint.

Which is still not fool proof, you never truly know until you dig it up.

To specifically answer your question, I'd say no, don't dig all signals, all the time.
If you are at, say, an old lot which once had a house, and there is not much trash or clad, and you find some old coins from the start, then yes, dig everything.
I found exactly such a lot, and have pulled 100's of keeper coins and relics from it. I am still hitting it, but the easy finds have already been found, now I am searching at the extreme range of my machine - Which means very slow, overlapping sweeps at max sensitivity.
At 6 inches +, a coin sized object will barely be readable for the 250, so you are actually looking for any signal with a pinpoint.

Now, if you are at a picnic grounds or something, where there is bound to be lots of trash, you'd drive yourself nuts digging everything.
I tend to just walk away from those places, even though I know that with patience, I will likely score.
Theres a park in the Detroit area not far away from me, actually more than 1, that are 100 + year old parks - And since its an inner city urban area, not much detecting has gone on there. You already know they must be loaded ,,, So what am I waiting for ? Theres been so many winos, picknics, crackheads at these places over the decades, that they are just bursting with trash. I have tried a couple times, but do not have the patience for that, so I walked away looking for easier pickings.
If I ever go back, and I should, I think I will notch out everything but quarters and dimes, and only dig signals under 3 inches.
If I have luck with that, I'll expand to include pennies - Which bottle caps often imitate, as well as nickels.
But as far as finding a long lost gold ring there, forget about it.

Tell ya the truth, you'd have much better odds finding gold rings at beaches and wood chip playgrounds than in the ground.
I've found dozens of gold/silver rings with the 250, I have yet to dig one up from the ground.
When I field hunt, my object is old coins & relics, so I hunt in coin mode - If I happen to luck into a gold ring, great but I don't expect it.
At beaches & tot lots, I do expect it - And often am not disappointed.

So in short, you have a set of tools and options for various situations, you'll have to learn to adjust them as circumstances dictate, to increase your odds at finding goodies, wherever you may be.

One thing is certain - The more you try, and the greater variety of locations you try at, the better your success will be.
Like most anything else, you'll only get back what you put into it.
 
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xray, you say: "Tell ya the truth, you'd have much better odds finding gold rings at beaches and wood chip playgrounds than in the ground. I've found dozens of gold/silver rings with the 250, I have yet to dig one up from the ground."

Well said. Success at rings is more a function of location. A few friends & I had the good luck of stumbling on to a mid 1800's park (in a blighted section of town) where all the turf was ripped off, leaving only the old deeper coins. That was the funnest time, because every single target was old, and of course, there was no aluminum tabs and such prior to the 1950s :)

Then a few more days into the project, the contractor "folded in" newer soil back into the low spots, mixing the old with the new. It was still no problem though, as digging was easy. So we still continued to "dig all" even though there was now tabs and foil mixed with the seateds, v-nickels, clad, etc... Because we were keeping accurate counts of all targets found, we noticed an interesting phenomenom: By the time the project was over, my junk box had staggering counts of multiple thousands of pieces of aluminum. The gold count? A mere 5! (2 rings, a charm, a watch back, etc...) Now OBVIOUSLY it wouldn't have been worth the time, had the turf not been ripped off (lest you get kicked out of the park for digging 1000's of holes in the turf). So in some situations, like junky parks, it's better to angle for the coins (pass foil, etc..), and save your jewelry hunting for the beach.
 
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NOPE THIS HOBBY IS DEAD!!! PUT YOUR DETECTOR IN THE CLOSET!!!! THERES NOTHING LEFT TO DIG!!!!! :laughing9:

ARTHUR
 
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hey art wanna buy 2 detectors an some equipment lol
 
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My best hunts have always come from a gut feeling on when and where and what to dig.
 
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artzstuff1 said:
NOPE THIS HOBBY IS DEAD!!! PUT YOUR DETECTOR IN THE CLOSET!!!! THERES NOTHING LEFT TO DIG!!!!! :laughing9:

ARTHUR

True.......Tell your friends to quit too....
 
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artzstuff1 said:
NOPE THIS HOBBY IS DEAD!!! PUT YOUR DETECTOR IN THE CLOSET!!!! THERES NOTHING LEFT TO DIG!!!!! :laughing9:

ARTHUR

Yes go tell all of your friends and quit detecting as this will leave more for the rest of us. Let go arizonaames let's go and find it all......Matt
 
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Great info and I really appreciate those that took the time to leave a quality answer. To those that took the time to say "put your detector in the closet and leave it all for us to find".... I just don't understand some people. :violent1:
Thanks again.
 
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snyper77 said:
Great info and I really appreciate those that took the time to leave a quality answer. To those that took the time to say "put your detector in the closet and leave it all for us to find".... I just don't understand some people. :violent1:
Thanks again.
I think its called "joshing", or kidding around, or joking.
 
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On every detector I have used if you discriminate out pulltabs, or dont want to dig them, your going to miss gold.

Some of the best rings I found sounded like pulltabs, or rather maybe it would be better to say many of the pulltabs I found sounded like nice gold.
 
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Depending where your hunting you can take the chance and disc out pull tabs if your area is trashy and hope for the coins. However using that much disc if a couple rejected items were near a coin, it might be mask out too. On searching beaches now where rings can come off easy the sand is easy to scoop so that is where you should dig every target. On the lawns and park grass however leaving as little damage as possible is to our benefit.
 
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The important thing to remember is that this hobby is supposed to be fun.

Nobody can dictate to you that you have to dig everything, maybe 1000+ tabs to get a gold ring. But if you fear missing gold rings & are willing to dig 1,000+ tabs to get them, go for it.

Also, so many say detect beaches with less pulltabs & more rings. I don't know if that's good advice as people may be drinking beer or soda pop on a beach, plus the soft sand makes things go deep quickly. Also many who roam beaches are women with preschoolers, what are chances they'd even drop a zinc?

I think the most successful gold ring hunters are those who wade out into the water in swimming areas. You need a special waterproof detector to do this. I hope this info helps. HH, George (MN)
 
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At the beach, it is easy digs, so dig everything. If you are at a park, it is a judgement call, depending on how much trash you are finding. If there is a lot of trash and you do not want to do a lot of digging, then adjust your detector to not find the pull tabs. No pull tabs, no gold. No pull tabs no nickles. Sometimes you have to just dig it all to get good finds. Other times you might just want to dig some clad coins and not be bothered with all the junk. You choice.

A lot of folks will tell you that by digging everything you will not miss any goodies. This is true, but you will also have to dig up a lot of trash. Kind of a trade off that you have to make depending on the site you are digging at.

I know this is probably not the reply you are looking for, but the bottom line is that you have to make the decision depending on the site you are hunting. You could dig all the coins first, then go back and start digging the iffy signals and junk ones to see what you missed. That wold be my suggestion, if you have the time to do that.

Ray S
 
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snyper77 ease up man , you will find we are a fun bunch here an like to get a lil smart ass at times no harm was ment , no body expects you to get rid of all your equipment if that was the case we wouldnt be trying to give you the advice an help your asking for .
 
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snyper77 said:
To those that took the time to say "put your detector in the closet and leave it all for us to find".... I just don't understand some people. :violent1:
Thanks again.

I am 100% sure it was meant in good fun.................. Same way as when I say, no need to dig faint signals when you go to the beach, leave it for me.
 
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snyper77, if you don't live close to a beach, as most of us do not, then here is the technique that I use that works pretty good in trashy ground. I have 2 Tesoros and it doesn't matter which I use; I'll set the Sens as high as the soil will allow, then adjust the Disc to the point that a poptop will cause a snap or pop and NOT a solid signal. This may cause wire rings to snap and pop, too, but the heavier rings and jewelry will give a good signal. Nickels will give a solid signal, also. My Bandido II is very reliable in using this method and my DeLeon is too, plus the VDI can be used to double check. I like the DeLeon for the trashier areas because, no matter where I set the Disc, the VDI still shows ALL targets in each sweep. It has allowed me to pick out a nickel in a nest of pulltabs. I'd set Disc to knock out the tabs, but when I saw the solid bar at "coins" with the smears and the number 95 blipping among the junk numbers, it was easy to use my short, pinpointing wiggle to zero in on the nickel. It takes longer to write about it than to DO it. ;D If the targets are real shallow, raising the coil higher than nowmal will narrow the search "spot" and help in isolating the goodie.
 
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well if you want to be 100% sure its will always be dig it all with the ace 250 since --as you say gold often rings up the same as tabs --found my first gold ring a paper thin 10 kt gold mexico made type kiddy ring coming in as "foil" --- only reason I dug it was I had been getting some coin hits and was cleaning out the area and wanted to see if the foil signal was "masking" any coins -- frankly I was happily surprized.

althought I haven't owned it too long - so far --- I like my new delta 4000 * with its 0 - 99 range "numbers" type of display range --it can sort things much more "finely" and can "spread" out the nickles and 10 kt gold as 58 ---tabs say 60 to 65 --and 14 kt coming in at 67 --while true its only a "guessing guide" --- used along with it's "tone" gold makes a "mid range" tone --- it can assist those who still want to get most of the gold but do not want to dig every stinking signal up to do so. --- by cutting down on time spent digging up useless junk items thru more selective digging of signals --more time can be spent digging higher % possibilty items up -- hopefully making ones hunting time more "productive" overall.---but as the others have said --theres nothing "good" left to dig but a few scraps so just leave it for us hard core "oldtimers" :wink: :icon_thumright:
 

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