Do you have PROOF of a KGC treasure?

[BoggyBottomJay]

okie, I respect your right to form your own conclusions about the History Channel program and will not try to prove you are wrong about them any longer on this forum. I only ask that each member here watch the program and form your own independent conclusions. I'm not on Pastore's payroll and I am surely not sharing any information with him about our Texas KGC sites. I don't even agree with Pastore about many of his conclusions or the way he went about his search and have many good reasons, from other friends of mine who have had dealings with him, for my disagreements. So, I will just keep working on my own business while waiting on "Jesse James' Hidden Treasure: Part 2" to come out. I have more important work to do than to waste my time defending or criticizing Pastore. If he wants to share his side of the story with us, he is certainly able to join this site and post for himself.
~Texas Jay

Texas Jay I for one can honestly say I agree with this well thought out post. I too will be waiting as well as many others be waiting to see part 2. I think we may all have our different reasons for watching it but I dont think anyone that has posted here can honestly say they wont watch if there is a part 2. Now that would be a good topic is what we would like to see in part 2.

 

[okietreasurehunter]

I'd like to see a lot less "it could be" or "possibly be" and more this is "verified" and "documented". Here's the proof kind of stuff. I'd also like to see what was at the bottom of the hole they were digging. I'd also like it to be unedited. Show the rest of the dig from start to finish.

 

[Texas Jay]

I can finally say that I agree with okie's last post about what he would like to see. I'd like to see the same as he would. I'll be watching primarily to see what, if anything, is under the hill that Pastore carelessly destroyed. I'd like to see what caused the big "glow" on the ground penetrating radar screen. If it is what their expert suggested it might be, now, that would be impossible to plant unless the moved Ft. Knox to that location.
~Texas Jay

 

[Hoss KGC]

If it is what their expert suggested it might be, now, that would be impossible to plant unless the moved Ft. Knox to that location.
~Texas Jay

I wouldn't hold my breathe, the "expert" only found water on the first dig I can do that with a pair of coat hangers.
Big Hoss

 

[Texas Jay]

Hi Big Hoss. I'm certainly not going to be holding my breath as I was not impressed with the "expert's" skills either. Personally, I don't have much use for gpr, magnetometers, or the like. The old-timers didn't use them to bury or locate their treasures so I don't need them either. Give me a trusty old metal detector and the proper accessories and I can do most of what needs doing without tearing up our natural resources in the process.
~Texas Jay

 

[okietreasurehunter]

Jay, I'm glad we agree on something. With Alec and Hoss in agreement on a few things it might be time for all of us to pick lottery numbers. LOL Research is your best tool, but a gpr is pretty handy to have and if used correctly can save a lot of digging. I think using a unit like US Radar has would be more useful. The laptop is located on the gpr and gives you a live readout as you stroll along pushing the machine. Utility companies use it to do locates, but treasure hunters would find it useful as well. Cost is the limiting factor for most people though.

 

[alec]

What's this world coming to? Everybody is agreeing with each other!

GPR can be a useful tool but you have to remember with GPR you are interpreting the results. This takes a lot of experience with a GPR to make the correct interpretations. There are a series of acquisition parameters that have to be set correctly on the a GPR, mainly the antenna. The frequencies used will change how the data appears because too high of a freq lowers your depth and too low of a freq lowers the resolution. YOu have to know something about the ground you are searching in and what you are searching for to set these parameters correctly.

Magnotometers and EMI units are better for deep searching if you don't have the GPR experience because their data isn't interpreted.

It's my opinion that if they actually got a reading in that spot with the GPR (and I'm not sure they did) it was another water reading. The hill they where digging in has a cave in it at one end that was formed by water seeping from the hill.

 

[okietreasurehunter]

It's nice having input from a person who has been on the site.

 

[Timberwolf]

Well....butter my butt and call me a biscuit!
Alec, Hoss, Jay, and Okie are in agreement on something.

TW

 

[alec]

Miracles do happen!

 

[truckinbutch]

Makes for much better reading than all the bickering

 

[Rebel - KGC]

It DOES! Coffee, anyone? (SNOWED in...)

 

[lastleg]

Hallaluwah! I feel like hugging you guys . . . sometimes . . .

 

[Twistedpistol]

Idk if im on to something or not but i found a hoot owl tree and about 10 ft infront of it is a tree that has been twistest and it looks as though it was tied up like that cause there are stress marks. So i started metal detecting and in a straight line from where the twisted tree and the hoot owl tree line up i found an old pocket knife. Not sure how old it is. It was not in line of the way the “hoot owl” tree was pointed.

 

[Twistedpistol]

I'd like to see a lot less "it could be" or "possibly be" and more this is "verified" and "documented". Here's the proof kind of stuff. I'd also like to see what was at the bottom of the hole they were digging. I'd also like it to be unedited. Show the rest of the dig from start to finish.

 

[The Treasure Finder]

What would constitute PROOF of a KGC treasure in YOUR mind?

This isn't a thread for booksellers. If you want to hawk your wares, this ain't the place, go and find your naive marks elsewhere.

What I want to know is quite simple, and it may be that my standards of proof don't agree with the other folks here so I'll explain what I see as proof.

To me, PROOF means something TANGIBLE! You can see it. You can feel it with your hands, not your heart or mind.

Proof is not a 150 year old paper that can neither be proven or disproven.

Proof is not a 150 year old story that has been handed down for at least 4 generations, with all the inaccuracies that it entails.

Proof is not an allegation that a large part of the Confederate treasury did not make the entire trip it was supposed to. Those people are dead. You can't call them to account for their statements.

On the other hand,

Proof IS a photograph of the treasure before it is removed with or without the one who found it.

Proof IS a photograph of the place the treasure was removed from with or without the one who found it.

Proof IS copies of the documentation you used to locate the treasure, as in "this is how to find it".

Proof IS the documentation that led you to a treasure that someone else had already taken -- along with pictures of where the treasure HAD BEEN.

Somebody prove me a liar when I say that these types of treasures do not exist. I would like to believe the stories I read, the legends I hear, and the signs that others tell me about as well as those I have personally seen.

Just seeing signs is not proof. Anyone like me could have made them so that you could spend your life running in circles. I love to stir things up, as you can see from my posts. I know I'm not the only one who would get a big laugh out of something like that.

The outboard motor is firmly attached to the cesspool, the starter is engaged, let's stir some crap!

Yeah, I found some of it, I bullshit you not. It has green gems(emerald, Jasper,jade.) coins, and meteorites, fossilized diamonds. And theys a face of somebody on everything. Anyways I got a tote full of shit. You want to see some pictures?

 

[SeabeeRon]

Yeah, I found some of it, I bullshit you not. It has green gems(emerald, Jasper,jade.) coins, and meteorites, fossilized diamonds. And theys a face of somebody on everything. Anyways I got a tote full of shit. You want to see some pictures?

Interesting first post, welcome to TNet!

 

[Clueman]

What would constitute PROOF of a KGC treasure in YOUR mind?

This isn't a thread for booksellers. If you want to hawk your wares, this ain't the place, go and find your naive marks elsewhere.

What I want to know is quite simple, and it may be that my standards of proof don't agree with the other folks here so I'll explain what I see as proof.

To me, PROOF means something TANGIBLE! You can see it. You can feel it with your hands, not your heart or mind.

Proof is not a 150 year old paper that can neither be proven or disproven.

Proof is not a 150 year old story that has been handed down for at least 4 generations, with all the inaccuracies that it entails.

Proof is not an allegation that a large part of the Confederate treasury did not make the entire trip it was supposed to. Those people are dead. You can't call them to account for their statements.

On the other hand,

Proof IS a photograph of the treasure before it is removed with or without the one who found it.

Proof IS a photograph of the place the treasure was removed from with or without the one who found it.

Proof IS copies of the documentation you used to locate the treasure, as in "this is how to find it".

Proof IS the documentation that led you to a treasure that someone else had already taken -- along with pictures of where the treasure HAD BEEN.

Somebody prove me a liar when I say that these types of treasures do not exist. I would like to believe the stories I read, the legends I hear, and the signs that others tell me about as well as those I have personally seen.

Just seeing signs is not proof. Anyone like me could have made them so that you could spend your life running in circles. I love to stir things up, as you can see from my posts. I know I'm not the only one who would get a big laugh out of something like that.

The outboard motor is firmly attached to the cesspool, the starter is engaged, let's stir some crap!

Hi. Are you willing to hike to see your proof?
Do you need to touch what hasnt been spent yet? Can you keep your mouth shut after?
If so, come follow the template on my property. I can show you how the template took me to bent trees, metal clues, site hole trees, hoyos, D tree and more, on my property.

 

[The Treasure Finder]

Hi. Are you willing to hike to see your proof?
Do you need to touch what hasnt been spent yet? Can you keep your mouth shut after?
If so, come follow the template on my property. I can show you how the template took me to bent trees, metal clues, site hole trees, hoyos, D tree and more, on my property.

My great grandfather was a Sentinel in the KGC and I knew nothing about my family or the treasure. Yeah I found some of it but still trying to figure out some things.

 

[The Treasure Finder]

Didn't we already have this thread? Anyway...if everything else can be faked (which I agree with), then why couldn't pictures also be faked. So, is there ANYTHING that could be called proof?

Why would fake It. Lol