Dowsing now

[Carl-NC]

The reasons why i know dowsers fail in "tests" are in another thread, but i can just say it one sentence, its all rigged invalid experiments

It's almost like you've been reading these dowsing forums for 25 years! That's what they've all said: the tests are rigged. I go to great lengths to develop protocols that test exactly what the dowsers claim they can do, and make sure they are comfortable with the protocols ahead of time. With dowsing a golf ball, the first thing I would ask is what range of distance can they can locate the golf ball. A dowser who refuses to answer such a simple question probably knows they cannot possibly succeed in even the most basic test, which means they probably understand dowsing more than they'd like to admit.

as there is nothing to win in playing by the same rules of the 3 million humans complying and obeying theoretical scriptures.

Disdain for real science is common with dowsers, especially those who like to make up alternative (fake) science to explain what they think they are doing. It's all easily testable, but that gets back to the fundamental trait with dowsers: the utter inability to objectively investigate their own claims.

I am personally quite proud of my knowledge of science and my ability to use it to design products that actually work. For almost 500 years science has proven itself to be the most reliable way to understand the universe around us and how it works. It is overwhelmingly superior to the methods preferred by dowsers: superstition, belief, guessing, and just making things up.

 

[WEF_Insect_Burger]

It's almost like you've been reading these dowsing forums for 25 years! That's what they've all said: the tests are rigged. I go to great lengths to develop protocols that test exactly what the dowsers claim they can do, and make sure they are comfortable with the protocols ahead of time. With dowsing a golf ball, the first thing I would ask is what range of distance can they can locate the golf ball. A dowser who refuses to answer such a simple question probably knows they cannot possibly succeed in even the most basic test, which means they probably understand dowsing more than they'd like to admit.


Disdain for real science is common with dowsers, especially those who like to make up alternative (fake) science to explain what they think they are doing. It's all easily testable, but that gets back to the fundamental trait with dowsers: the utter inability to objectively investigate their own claims.

I am personally quite proud of my knowledge of science and my ability to use it to design products that actually work. For almost 500 years science has proven itself to be the most reliable way to understand the universe around us and how it works. It is overwhelmingly superior to the methods preferred by dowsers: superstition, belief, guessing, and just making things up.

In your dealings with dowsers, you seem to have dealt only with ghost busters from ASD, scammers passing fancy devices for thousands of dollars, these dowsers have no chance of success in your test, they all thought they were special dowsers with mythical special abilities and confidence,i doubt they could even do a real basic dowsing test and pass it if i tested them according to protocols. Skepticism is a fun and addictive hobby (as per ex-Skeptics), its a bottomless hole for thrills in feeling smart (like you indicate in your post) and it needs to create crackpots to keep it alive. Just like certain political organizations fund and bootstrap the very moments they claim to oppose. Skeptics need mickey mouse tests for the crackpots to get K.O'd.

Your communication isn't aimed at me - its aim is for you to manage consensus.

So you have the exact protocol for bushwhacker golf documented, and its as far as the golfer can hit his golf balls into the worst of worst terrain. If he cant find the balls, he fails. But its not scientific, because balls are not hidden under cups.

Im sure whatever you designed will work perfectly, i have no doubt that it will work, i will not waste effort to attack your work as you've followed science & engineering principals that can be repeated.

The dowsers are not all the same, as you can see from these threads, there is no consensus among us, some believe they have chosen bloodlines, others talk to aliens and demons, some do EMF suites, others probably hear voices in their heads, some just recommend playing some golf like that used car sales man does in his VHF.

Next time you are dealing with some dowsers, ask them if they can bend spoons, if they cant, they have not yet mastered the telekinetic abilities required for reliable dowsing - these skills go hand in hand, otherwise you dealing idiot-motor effects

 

[robertk]

Next time you are dealing with some dowsers, ask them if they can bend spoons,

I just ask them what they've found. The answer is almost always surprisingly similar.

 

[dowser]

My thread got trashed by skeptics, I'm not posting here no more.. Sorry for the people interested in Dowsing..

 

[signal_line]

Cosmic rays are the biggest creator of fast air ions. Fast air ions cause air conductivity. This helps to bleed off the atmospheric voltage (potential) gradient. Less potential gradient means the dowsing signals are not overpowered. During times of high sonar magnetic activity cosmic rays are low. Like right now they have been low and are just starting to increase.

Dell Winders talked about how locating conditions went sour in 1988 and stayed that way for a few years. Look on this cosmic rays chart you can see what happened and how we are just about even with that level right now but the graph is just starting to increase. It’s kinda hard to see on this graph but the very right side of you look you can see the line has started to go up. You have to click on the image to see it.

 

[signal_line]

There are also other factors that decrease the fast air ions. Air pollution, dust particles, fog, salt spray from the ocean, I can’t remember what else. If you live in a big city you might have to wait until a cold front passes to get the clean air. Days when there is a lot of convection (look for cumulus clouds) are usually some of the best days. As the air rises, charged air descends to fill the void. Mountain air is full of the fast ions many days.

 

[signal_line]

It won’t let me edit post #105 but it’s supposed to say During times of high solar magnetic activity.

Normally there is an air to earth current. Electricity comes down into the earth. Lightning takes this charge the opposite direction. But when the air is dirty the current cannot move fast enough and the voltage potential gradient increases. The air holds a higher charge. There are other sources of fast air ions, things like radon gas in the soil. When the air pressure gets lower the radon gas comes out of the soil more. But I don’t know if this is enough to make difference. Probably a little bit but if the air is dirty it’s not going to do much at all.

Also the potential gradient follows the earths magnetic field somewhat.

 

[signal_line]

Go back and read post #11 in this thread.

 

[Merlin-Midas]

Is it subjective to put water in a PPM sensor, place the RX coil on an oscilloscope, and see a 2.13kHz precession frequency when pulsing a magnetic field? Is it then subjective to replace the water with alcohol, and then lighter fluid, and still see the exact same 2.13kHz precession frequency? And then calculate the Larmor frequency for hydrogen and find it to be the same 2.13kHz? Is all of this based purely on belief?

And that's the answer to the prior questions. They all precess at 2.13kHz in a 50uT ambient field because it is only the hydrogen atoms that are precessing. In water, the oxygen atom is almost always O-16 which has no dipole moment, therefore no precession frequency. Same with carbon-12 in alcohol and lighter fluid.

What separates science from pseudoscience is the ability for anyone, anywhere, to replicate the experiment and get the same results. You don't have to believe what frequency water precesses at, you can actually measure it and see for yourself. That's the funny thing about dowsers... they all have theories that go all over the place, often contradicting one another, and none of the theories can survive even the slightest scientific investigation. Your averaging claim for calculating NMR frequencies is obviously wrong, and dowsing has nothing to do with NMR anyways. But you're in good company around here as it's no more or no less wrong than all the claims @dowser makes about his frequency nonsense.

The two consistent traits I've noticed with dowsers are the proclivity for making up semi-science-sounding explanations for how their dowsing works (or doesn't work) -- usually mangling real science in the process -- and the utter inability to objectively investigate their own claims. The truth is, most dowsers just don't want to do the latter, preferring instead to simply believe the alternative facts they've created to explain a skill they don't really have.

Concerning water, alcohol, and lighter fluid, all having the same frequency of 2.13kHz is empirical data (however, the subjective part is the interpretation of the data). The difference (in water, alcohol, and lighter fluid) is not the frequency, as you stated, but the Hydrogen concentration, which presumably effects the strength of the signal. Concerning testing dowsers, the problem is the tester's goal is to debunk dowsing (which is bias against it and not objective or neutral), indicating they are most likely not dowsers and do not understand dowsing enough to test it (understanding physics is not enough, because physics does not always behave logically: i.e., placing a 45 degree polarizer between two perpendicular polarizers). Only a dowser would know that the L-Rod should be slightly tilted to stabilize it (against wind and extraneous motions), so that only energy related to the target moves the device, because the dowser DOES NOT want the L-Rod to move, unless a target is detected. I have done experiments that debunk the hypothetical dowser "ideomotor response" by placing the pendulum string through a small hole in a box (making it impossible to physically effect the pendulum); another method was dowsing with two different L-Rods in the same hand, where only one L-Rod responded to the target, while the other L-Rod stayed motionless (proving the hand did not CAUSE the motion). In my opinion, the biggest problem with dowsers is they don't know all of their limitations, nobody does (such as: blockers, which can interfere with dowsing or even give the exact opposite result). For example, my predecessor discovered that certain socks prevented him from dowsing (later, I exploited this phenomenon to improve our system, through trial and error). Every time we did a demonstration, something would go wrong, and we would come back the next day and figure out why (it really paid off). Knowing how to make dowsing fail, teaches you more about how it works. We probably did hundreds of thousands of experiments. I learned from Claude Cochran that the Japanese had 200 blockers (which they probably stole from the Chinese or Filipinos), so when they buried billions of dollars of looted treasure in the Philippines, they would place blockers in the ground above them to prevent other dowsers from finding them (the Mexicans and Greeks were also aware of this technique, and it was used on Oak Island). I, like you, did not believe NMR frequencies would work for dowsing, but I tested it and to my surprise it worked. The only real way to find out if something works is to try it (otherwise, you will only know what you think you already know). Not many people know this, but Albert Einstein was a dowser (he is known to have used it to find a fountain's leak). Einstein had Davidic Y-DNA and Levitical X-DNA, so his genius came directly from Solomon and his dowsing and musical ability came from his mother's side.

 

[WEF_Insect_Burger]

I just ask them what they've found. The answer is almost always surprisingly similar.

Exactly my point, find yourself some proper dowsers for once.

 

[WEF_Insect_Burger]

I have done experiments that debunk the hypothetical dowser "ideomotor response" by placing the pendulum string through a small hole in a box (making it impossible to physically effect the pendulum); another method was dowsing with two different L-Rods in the same hand, where only one L-Rod responded to the target, while the other L-Rod stayed motionless (proving the hand did not CAUSE the motion).

Try putting the rods in the hands of another person, then move them with your mind from across the table. While you are at it, try bending some spoons too the Jack Houck way - then you will be 1000% certain the ideomotor story is fraudulent

 

[Carl-NC]

Concerning water, alcohol, and lighter fluid, all having the same frequency of 2.13kHz is empirical data (however, the subjective part is the interpretation of the data). The difference (in water, alcohol, and lighter fluid) is not the frequency, as you stated, but the Hydrogen concentration, which presumably effects the strength of the signal.

Signal strength was not the issue under discussion, it was your claim of averaging to get an overall NMR frequency. That claim is demonstrably false, and quite easily so.

And Claude Cochran? Seriously? The original LRL con man, many followed in his footsteps.

 

[Merlin-Midas]

Cosmic rays are the biggest creator of fast air ions. Fast air ions cause air conductivity. This helps to bleed off the atmospheric voltage (potential) gradient. Less potential gradient means the dowsing signals are not overpowered. During times of high sonar magnetic activity cosmic rays are low. Like right now they have been low and are just starting to increase.

Dell Winders talked about how locating conditions went sour in 1988 and stayed that way for a few years. Look on this cosmic rays chart you can see what happened and how we are just about even with that level right now but the graph is just starting to increase. It’s kinda hard to see on this graph but the very right side of you look you can see the line has started to go up. You have to click on the image to see it.

Interesting. I am sure this effects dowsers, but not necessarily always in a bad way (sometimes things that hinder one dowser may help another, because there are different dowser body types). For example, I borrowed a Frequency Generator for L-Rod dowsing built by a left-hander, which worked fine for me (because I am magnetically left-handed), but it didn't work for my right-handed predecessor, until we turned it upside down (I tried to tell the designer that the combination of materials that he built the device casing out of was inversing the signal, favoring left-handed dowsers, when it was right-side-up). If any of his "right-handed" customers could use it, then they were most likely magnetically left-handed, but learned to use their right-hand instead (which is my case). Often times, these people are ambidextrous. Magnetic handedness is determined by dowsing a pressure point when the person breaths out (all magnetic fields in the body sychronize one way or the other, and this flips for everyone in the world at the same time, every so often). This in turn determines which hand we prefer or favor. The only consistent correlation that I have found between dowsers and other dowsers and non-dowsers is Levitical DNA (and the various combinations would contribute to dowser body type: Y only, X only, Y and X, X and X, and neither Levitical chromosome), each may have different reactions to astronomical events. In my opinion, having two of these kind of chromosomes allows a dowser to dowse more often than those who only have one (because the two chromosomes may be completementary). There is also a possible difference between regular Levitical Y-DNA and Levitical High Priest Y-DNA (because the correlation is so consistent, I suspect the trait for dowsing is on the sex chromosomes themselves). By dowsing the Caiaphas Ossuary and Mt. Hor, where Aaron was buried, and comparing that to Moses/Senenmut's parents (sarcophagi are in the Metropolitan Museum in NY), I discovered that Aaron's Y-DNA was unique from the rest of the Levites, including his on brother and father. Perhaps this is why Moses' staff was referred to as Aaron's Rod, because he was better at finding water with it.

 

[Merlin-Midas]

Signal strength was not the issue under discussion, it was your claim of averaging to get an overall NMR frequency. That claim is demonstrably false, and quite easily so.

And Claude Cochran? Seriously? The original LRL con man, many followed in his footsteps.

Actually, the discussion was NMR frequency for DOWSING. Only when I average every element in a compound does the frequency cause a dowser response (not the frequency for Hydrogen alone, or Oxygen alone, or one of each averaged -- only the average H+H+O/3). Now in standard physics this frequency may not cause noticeable resonance in an electrical circuit (I don't care), which is when the capacitive reactance and the inductive reactance cancel; this was never the claim. The claim was that this averaging derives a frequency that works for dowsing any chemical based on it's formula, so a prerequisite of denying this claim is the ability to dowse. Actually, Dr. Thomas Galen Hieronymus preceded Claude Cochran.

 

[Merlin-Midas]

Try putting the rods in the hands of another person, then move them with your mind from across the table. While you are at it, try bending some spoons too the Jack Houck way - then you will be 1000% certain the ideomotor story is fraudulent

Everyday, I practice Chi-Gung (not very seriously), but several years ago, I discovered that a radiometer could be stopped using mental energy, which I can no longer do, because I did not maintain the skill. But I would ask a student to pick one of two radiometers that were spinning, and I would stop it from across the room, without effecting the other, then I would stop the other, so I know there is some credence to moving things using mental energy. But I prefer to avoid mental dowsing, because you cannot know the unknown (one can interfere with the other); it is a contradiction. I prefer electrical dowsing, so I can empty my mind and let the chips fall where they may. I have found a few unknown targets, using a combination of satellite images to get the timing of the energy (which moves between the false target and the real target), then tracing the path of energy at the right time to the real target (see Abbe Mermet). My latest research involves instantly simulating false targets or "aged targets" (something that has been buried for several years); this is the key to finding anything, anywhere, any distance, with the simplest of equipment.

 

[Carl-NC]

And Abrams preceded Hieronymus. Yeah, I'm very familiar with the history. But those guys specialized in medical fraud using electrical/electronic equipment. Cochran may have been the first to take that type of fraud to treasure hunting. Hard to say, though, as around the same time there was Rose, Fales, and maybe some others. But Cochran was the most prominent with the most expensive scams.

NMR frequencies have nothing to do with dowsing, but there's no harm in pretending they do or coming up with make-believe formulas to support your beliefs. I've seen a long line of dowsers do this, though they all come up with different formulas and different frequencies, often radically so. You would think that if any of this was based in reality, there would be some consistency in these claims. But there is none, almost as if everyone is making it all up.

 

[dowser]

Concerning Dowsing and Solar Cycles, personally, I have noticed an increase in my dowsing ability at Solar Minimum and decrease at Solar Maximum, which is the exact opposite of what you are experiencing, so we are electrically or magnetically opposites, as far as, dowser body types (which makes us complementary). Keep in mind, there are other Geological and Astronomical factors involved (such as Equinoxes, Solstices, Conjunctions, and Magnetic Drift). The dowser's body is a component of the dowsing device, which apparently varies in electrical tolerances from person to person. The only way to solve this is to collect information from all dowsers, noting possible factors such as location, time, birth date, left or right handedness, DNA, etc. Because I have already made a correlation between dowsing and Levitical DNA, I have established various surnames that are potential dowsers (for example: Williams, Johnson, Mullins, Jones, Smith, etc), and when asked, they normally have a relative, such as an uncle, that can dowse. Out of a few functioning dowsers that I questioned, I was the only one that noticed a difference in my dowsing during the 2 minute and 31 second Totality of the Solar Eclipse in 2017 (I went from not being able to dowse, to the most powerful reaction that I have ever experienced, which disappeared again immediately after totality, what my predecessor would call a "Fort Knox Whip" with my single L-Rod, which was swinging so hard that it was bouncing off my body).

When you first started posting, it was a new concept/theory to me, and you are the first other Dowser to mention Solar cycles and frequency and Dowsing in the same paragraph ever.
I believe your wasting your time Dowsing Solar flares, and Solar cycles.
The satellite is hours away, closer to the Sun, so there isn't any real time reported indication of an incoming flare. Can't link it, without real time, can only hope it.

 

[dowser]

In your dealings with dowsers, you seem to have dealt only with ghost busters from ASD, scammers passing fancy devices for thousands of dollars, these dowsers have no chance of success in your test, they all thought they were special dowsers with mythical special abilities and confidence,i doubt they could even do a real basic dowsing test and pass it if i tested them according to protocols. Skepticism is a fun and addictive hobby (as per ex-Skeptics), its a bottomless hole for thrills in feeling smart (like you indicate in your post) and it needs to create crackpots to keep it alive. Just like certain political organizations fund and bootstrap the very moments they claim to oppose. Skeptics need mickey mouse tests for the crackpots to get K.O'd.

Your communication isn't aimed at me - its aim is for you to manage consensus.

So you have the exact protocol for bushwhacker golf documented, and its as far as the golfer can hit his golf balls into the worst of worst terrain. If he cant find the balls, he fails. But its not scientific, because balls are not hidden under cups.

Im sure whatever you designed will work perfectly, i have no doubt that it will work, i will not waste effort to attack your work as you've followed science & engineering principals that can be repeated.

The dowsers are not all the same, as you can see from these threads, there is no consensus among us, some believe they have chosen bloodlines, others talk to aliens and demons, some do EMF suites, others probably hear voices in their heads, some just recommend playing some golf like that used car sales man does in his VHF.

Next time you are dealing with some dowsers, ask them if they can bend spoons, if they cant, they have not yet mastered the telekinetic abilities required for reliable dowsing - these skills go hand in hand, otherwise you dealing idiot-motor effects

L-rod Dowsing isn't bending spoons, try to learn the techniques being discussed, before you engage..

 

[dowser]

I just ask them what they've found. The answer is almost always surprisingly similar.

Did this post take much thought?

 

[dowser]

Exactly my point, find yourself some proper dowsers for once.

What is a proper dowser? Certainly not you!