etrac finds deep silver heavy

[issombeituni]

I took the etrac to my inlaws.. and tried TTF and huge props for Cutaplug for helping me.. i nailed this baby deep deep..

anyone help id it? its heavy silver

 

[cjon455]

Wow thats cool, lots of silver on that sucker

 

[issombeituni]

thanks i wish i could id it

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[liftloop]

nice
love them kind of digs


liftloop

 

[newtector]

Looks like French or British, I say this because the lion symbol is prominent in both cultures, sweet find!

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[G.A.P.metal]

issom
It might be in here .
Gary
Guide to World Hallmarks - Encyclopedia of Silver Marks, Hallmarks & Makers' Marks
By the way beautiful spoon

 

[Argentium]

In addition to the F and the other sort of oval symbol - are there any other marks that are discernible ? Does not seem English at all
from the marks I see - I would guess American coin silver (not sterling ) 1830's -50's "fiddle back " pattern on the end of the handle .
Great find !

 

[issombeituni]

i found some info from a guy on facebook


This may point you in the right direction. COIN SILVER Kirk made COIN silver from the early days of 1815 and into 1896. They did not start making 925/1000 silver (Sterling) until the mid 1880s. The coin silver will be marked either 11OZ or 10.15 which often shows up as 1015 due to the dot being worn off. This is not 925/1000 silver. Silver is weighed in TROY ounces, not US ounces as most Americans are used to. 11OZ means the silver is 11/12th silver or .9166 percent pure silver. 10.15 silver is .8458 pure silver. Again... Sterling is .925

Coin silver was made from ... COINS, that were melted down and remade into silverware and hollow wares. Much of the old coin silver was "traded in" when Sterling Silver was bought. The coin silver was melted and pure silver added to bring it up to the .925 standard of sterling.

The White House traded in various odd pieces of silver when the Cleveland administration wanted new silver in the early 1890's. S. Kirk & Son made the new silver for them. (Kirk recreated the pattern in 1952 for the White House and in 1992 KIRK STIEFF again recreated the 1892 pattern as replacement pieces were needed

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[issombeituni]

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[issombeituni]

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[prolab69]

sweeeet

 

[Argentium]

The bit about Kirk is interesting , but I'm not sure it relates to your piece - S Kirk and Son -are well known New England (Mass.?)
silversmiths - and their hallmark would leave no doubt as to it's manufacture - I think the jury is still out on this one .

( Kirk - is Baltimore MD. )

 

[issombeituni]

http://www.imperialhalfbushel.com/CoinSilverPlaceFlatware.htm

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[issombeituni]

1549-33 is whats close

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[jewelerguy]

hopefully someone can help ID and date it. that engraving is really cool

 

[Argentium]

In terms of style / period you're close , not seeing any similarity with the marks though . (I think we can nail this down )

 

[issombeituni]

i would love to solve this one fyi its on my father inland and we had to head to easter at my moms so i had to leave i got 8 or nine more hits in the range

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[vpnavy]

Great find! Thanks for sharing...

 

[CRUSADER]

In addition to the F and the other sort of oval symbol - are there any other marks that are discernible ? Does not seem English at all
from the marks I see - I would guess American coin silver (not sterling ) 1830's -50's "fiddle back " pattern on the end of the handle .
Great find !

Agreed, not English & the 1830-50 style that you point out works perfect for me, as the engraved 'Livery' is of the same style & period.

 

[Bramblefind]

Super find!

I think Kirk could be right for this -- it is the Maryland State / Baltimore Assay mark , date letter F and I think that is "S.K." before the 11.OZ.

And possibly dates to around 1840 based on this ---

Baltimore Assay Marks