Find identification needed!

HI-McDunnogh · Sep 13, 2018

I dug this massive cast iron something-another about 8-10" deep near a 19th Century home site that I routinely find 1840's-early 1900s iron. This looks more modern, but it was down deep and under roots, so I don't know.

Looks like it might be a die/cast of some sort or something machined? My size 12 is in there for reference.

Any help is appreciated!

HI-McDunnogh · Sep 15, 2018

Identified

Update 2.. Identified!

Finally nailed this bad boy down.

This belonged to the engine of a 1909 Ford Model T (2499) !

owlcreek · Sep 15, 2018

Nailed it governor!

Nitric · Sep 15, 2018

Cool find!!! Now get back to the woods and find the rest!! :laughing7:

And believe it or not...That could be bead blasted and will clean up, and may be usable. Even if it needed repaired....I have no clue what values are on this stuff....But we have ways of repairing things easily now, that they didn't have even 40 to 50 years ago or further back... a cool find!!

HI-McDunnogh · Sep 15, 2018

Thanks, Nitric.

Now that I know what it is I plan on getting it all cleaned up and de-rusted. I have no idea if there's a market for these types of things (or if I will even try to sell it). I am most excited that my spot that has been giving me smaller late 19th C./ early 20 C. produced in the same age again, after it was thought this was a 1950s piece.

Reanm8er · Sep 15, 2018

I hate to be a spoilsport but the key is in the design and location of the thermostat opening. Early tractors and also model Ts did not have thermostats or water pumps or pressurized cooling systems. The coolant circulated via thermo syphoning which is another term for hot water rises in a column of water. Just like in air. Many tractor and industrial engines employed this up to and including the early fifties because their engines were long stroke and ran at low RPMs.
Look at the position of the coolant port on the head and then look at the MT head. MT comes out the top. Yours comes out the front. Your head suggests a thermostat located in the head, as well as a water pump and pressurized cooling system.. If it had a stat, it was a pressurized cooling system and either after WW2 or sometime in the fifties if agricultural.
I'd suggest a four or eight cylinder car of the early thirty's and not a Ford as I originally thought. I've researched the ford tractor engines from 1918 on up through 1957 and none of them had a t-stat port like yours. Ford 85 HP V8 didn't either.

Nitric · Sep 15, 2018

Reanm8er said:
I hate to be a spoilsport but the key is in the design and location of the thermostat opening. Early tractors and also model Ts did not have thermostats or water pumps or pressurized cooling systems. The coolant circulated via thermo syphoning which is another term for hot water rises in a column of water. Just like in air. Many tractor and industrial engines employed this up to and including the early fifties because their engines were long stroke and ran at low RPMs.
Look at the position of the coolant port on the head and then look at the MT head. MT comes out the top. Yours comes out the front. Your head suggests a thermostat located in the head, as well as a water pump and pressurized cooling system.. If it had a stat, it was a pressurized cooling system and either after WW2 or sometime in the fifties if agricultural.
I'd suggest a four or eight cylinder car of the early thirty's and not a Ford as I originally thought. I've researched the ford tractor engines from 1918 on up through 1957 and none of them had a t-stat port like yours. Ford 85 HP V8 didn't either.

Now that you mention this....I have a tractor, sitting at my Grandmothers(she just gave it to me last summer) that I think is from the 30's it's a IH (farmall)or something like that 4cyl. I don't believe it has a water pump. I couldn't figure out what was circulating the water since it has a radiator and a fan. Someone had to explain it to me like you did above. Anyhow, my post isn't even related to the topic...But I see what your saying.

Also, after considering what your saying....You can see the extra hole in the head, that the photo's above don't match and may be because of water pumped motor?...Just a wild guess, going by what your saying(which I have no doubt that you know what your talking about :laughing7:

). Extra hole in the head, in the center between, on the bridge between the 2 and 3 cylinder, compared to the MT head...

How about a Waukesha? The head design looks similar...I'm still digging to find a picture of the cyl. side.

like this...http://www.tractorshed.com/contents/adpic174117.htm

There is also a picture of the head in question in this thread(looks the same as far as the water port and design)...But gives no info that I could find...

http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/179374/241736.html?1319301524

Reanm8er · Sep 16, 2018

In Bing images you can find photos of pretty much every engine ever made. Browse and discover. Good luck!

A2coins · Sep 16, 2018

cool.good ID

A2coins · Sep 16, 2018

cool.good id

HI-McDunnogh · Sep 16, 2018

Dang...back to the drawing board.

Plug N Play · Sep 16, 2018

HI-McDunnogh said:
After a lull in the storm I got this thing cleaned up a bit. The only discernible marking looks to be an 'L' on the very right side of it, next to the cylindrical hole on the side.

If it looks like that, one site I looked at said 1918 - 1927

Tony in SC · Sep 16, 2018

What do you think an auto engine would weigh? Most old auto engines weigh between 350 and 500 lbs.

HI-McDunnogh said:
How old do you think? Hard to believe something this heavy was part of an automobile.

HI-McDunnogh · Sep 17, 2018

Tony in SC said:
What do you think an auto engine would weigh? Most old auto engines weigh between 350 and 500 lbs.

I have no past reference, which is why I asked.

HI-McDunnogh · Sep 17, 2018

Plug N Play said:
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If it looks like that, one site I looked at said 1918 - 1927

Hey thanks. From memory, I don't believe it has those markings, but I'll check it out tomorrow. Did the site you referenced mention whether it came from an automobile or tractor?