Gold coin - What is it?

[GioTheGreek]

Greetings,

A friend of mine sent me this gold coin picture, in hopes of getting it identified.

It used to be his father's, but he's not sure if it was something his father found locally or bought somewhere.

Here's a pic:

Thanks for your help

I see a 1713 there. lol

 

[GioTheGreek]

I think i found it... lol

Spanish cob, 4 escudos.

MEXICO. Felipe V, 1700-1746. Cob 4 Escudos, n.d., MXoJ, struck 1701-1713. Nearly round 25.1 x 24.5mm, 13.4 grams. Crowned Arms of Spain with Bourbon lilies at center, clear DEI+G+, o/X/MJ at l., bases of II at r. Rv. Diamond sharp open cross crosslet appears within a lobate frame with...

Can anyone confirm?

 

[timekiller]

I think i found it... lol

Spanish cob, 4 escudos.

MEXICO. Felipe V, 1700-1746. Cob 4 Escudos, n.d., MXoJ, struck 1701-1713. Nearly round 25.1 x 24.5mm, 13.4 grams. Crowned Arms of Spain with Bourbon lilies at center, clear DEI+G+, o/X/MJ at l., bases of II at r. Rv. Diamond sharp open cross crosslet appears within a lobate frame with...

Can anyone confirm?

With out the size or weight I can't.But yes it is a Escudos of some type.
Item#: 9074
Denomination: 1 escudo
Mint: Mexico
Assayer: J
Weight: 3.4 grams
Diameter: .70 inches

Price: $2195.00 SOLD


Shield type 1 escudo, circa 1711-1713, Philip V, Mexico mint, assayer J. Nice, nearly full cross of the design unique to the 1711-1713 time period. Equally nice, nearly full shield with full oM J mint and assayer marks. Recovered from the 1715 fleet wreck of the "Nuestra Senora de las Nieves de Animas" and supplied with the original Mel Fisher photo type Certificate of Authenticity and a booklet "Shipwrecks and Their Coins: Volume 3 - 1715 Spanish Treasure Fleet" that provides details about the fleet and its coins.

 

[Bramblefind]

I'm not experienced enough to confirm but I was just going to post the same thing

http://www.goldcobs.com/Mexican gold coins_gold cobs_one escudo_two escudos_1715 Fleet.html

 

[GioTheGreek]

Right on guys... ty

He'll be happy to find out what it is.

 

[CRUSADER]

Right on guys... ty

He'll be happy to find out what it is.

bear in mind these are copied a lot, check if BigC has it on his database of known copies

 

[GioTheGreek]

Right on Crusader...

I came across some info in a previous post by JewelerDave - http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php?topic=270292.0

I need to see this thing in person. I cant tell from his picture entirely but it looks struck to me. It has more detail than that fake in the post linked above.

I know that the area that his land is on used to have a french fort very close by - but he doesn't know where his father got it. Can't ask him now either...

Perhaps he found it near his home or... got suckered into buying a fake. hahaa

Not sure what fake Spanish Cobs would be doing in rural Canada though - if he did find it near his home.

I need to get out and detect his place! I just met the guy not long ago, but it could be the start of a good friendship! Now I just need to find him a detector...

 

[BuckleBoy]

I have some concerns about the color and look of this piece. Please PM BigCypresshunter and ask him to check it against his database of known counterfeits. Also, if you have a scale you should weigh the piece.

Best Wishes,


Buckleboy

 

[thrillathahunt]

Although I am certainly NOT an expert on cobs, I have to agree with Buckleboy on this one. It's just something about the edge of the coin, the little pits on the surface, and the color.

 

[timekiller]

A few sites and post from on here that might help you some.
http://www.sedwickcoins.com/fake_cobs.htm#list
http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php?topic=270292.0
http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php?topic=183922.0

 

[GioTheGreek]

Right on guys...

I guess it is a fake lol! From the info youve sent me.... has to be.

Ty for help

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

I just noticed this. I havent had the time to organize the collection of fakes but Ill search when I get a chance. A pic of the obverse and side view would help. Is it 23-24K gold?

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

I havent found it yet but as others said the markings look similar to an escudo from Mexico. Heres one on eBay. .

http://cgi.ebay.com/MEXICO-1713-Mxo...ultDomain_0&hash=item27b5bdb80d#ht_1422wt_896

Im not good with gold escudos. I am more familiar with silver reales. Ill send an email for help.