Here's a word salad that explains all of it. Pacification .
It's always the key word when people lose rights and the same across the ussa.
This will still be a topic ten years from now and ten years from then.
Same reason we lost hi cap mags here in Colorado and magpul had to move away.
It's always our most valued rights they go after first.
What will we do for fun when everything has been legislated away?
The point is that there is ample evidence in numerous studies that dredging does not do any measurable harm
Therefore all the reasons for the ban (that you said you support) is a bunch of crap
From the texts you cited, they said there's likely to be little harm
when following the regulation. They didn't say dredging "does not do any measurable harm"
The people at the Sierra fund actually made income off of the new bills creation and off of the Combie project and they even state that any gold recovered gives them revenue.
Didn't I also say I didn't vote for, or support the Sierra fund?
You made several statements right away that show you knew nothing about the thing you were willing to have taken from others because
"I'm a fisherman"
What did I say?
you made a positive comment about there being no more noise from dredges...again showing you actually have something against it superficially...because of the noise ...again a stupid reason to be against dredging.
Yeah, in jest. Can a person not joke around? But yes, when I go to the forest to navel gaze I don't want to hear BRABRABRABBARBARBARBARBARBARBARBARBABARBARBAR for hours on end.
You do the usual thing that people who just joined and get into this very old conversation do.
Get dumb about semantics.
Semantics is the very basis of the laws. We can not have a conversation about the laws if we don't recognize the meanings of words.
Is the state of California destroying peoples cabins or old historic cabins on claims?? You jumped on that to show how smart you are,
Than say you have read that FS and BLM has done it...Well, when it happens in Ca. they aren't stopping it..
So uh yea California has burned down cabins.
I asked for proof of a claim made that california is burning down mining cabins and stealing property. In the very same breath they also said california was lying. But I still haven't seen proof that the california is burning down mining cabins and stealing property. If california has at least been found complicit in those actions, I'll concede that point.
So one of the very first few responses to me was a lie and you twist faulty logic to backup that lie.
The rivers in the foothills and up into the mountains are in great shape its not until you get down to where you Babylonians are that there are real issues.
Yet the Babylonians sure like to tell us what we need to do where we live so it remains for your weekends.
So, you have somewhere to go to get away from the place where people live in tarps ,shoot up drugs in the open and literally poop on sidewalks.
"Babylonians" yeah cool, name calling, There's been pages of name calling from you guys.
Do the mountains not have any of those problems?
some dude that has panned the Bear and Rocks an ace 350 is the last person that should be telling people who were dredging for a living when the ban went into affect NINE plus years ago about regulations, seasons, redds ,fry etc.
You do not know what your talking about and you most certainly are not here to learn or you would actually listen instead of dodging and finding another way to keep it going and trying to minimize the very info you have been given and claim to want.
I did come here to learn, I'm asking questions and getting some great responses, but some of you can't help but play petty identity politics.
For sure don't come here and claim you don't know ..want to know and then make snarky insults when you get the info.
I ask for help and have been subjected to lies, name calling, "othering" and general hostility. I brush it off, play along, ask for more help, and learn,
despite all your toxicity and somehow I'm the bad guy? That's a bad joke.
Like I said guys they come and go...
If we come and go so often then it seems you should have an easy to read FAQ that you could point everyone to that would succinctly make your case and turn them into allies. You can't even handle that.
From burlap to big bulldozers......one leaves and conveniently a few days later another joins..
pretty interesting coincidence
I don't understand the reference, can you expand on that a little more?
Your pathetic fratricidal crap spewing reminds me of other antagonistic members that have come and gone as well
And yet no one can seem to deal with it very well. It's all name calling and identity politics.
I had considered a dredge highbanker combo last summer but haven't pulled the trigger yet. I never considered that it would hurt the stream because everything I read said that it wouldn't.
I don't see where the laws are correlated with science. I think the emotional response to fish being ripped in half is enough.
You may not mean to hurt the stream bed intentionally but they want to be extra safe. One saved fish is worth it.
Yeah, I'll concede that I was mistaken about how a fish might travel through a dredge. I felt silly because I've seen the diagrams, I know how they work, but I had a mental slip and totally boned that point. Some of the lighter regulations seem perfectly fine, and I disagree with the outright and seemingly endless ban as it is. In fact I've always stated that the ban is acceptable
if it can be backed by science which I'm coming to realize isn't the case. A few light regulations as to location and time of year are hardly arduous.
One fish saved for every day or dredging for every person dredging could add up.
I'm not tiring to make an argument only providing information, if a person is interested in the subject
I would encourage them to learn all they can, it's part of being a responsible miner, educate yourself and prosper.
what is a suction dredge, fact sheet 2012
Yes, Yes, I have Asperger syndrome are you making fun of my disability,
Sorry, I took your highlighted text as an argument, since it seems most people here see me as an enemy and need to "prove me wrong" and chase me off. I didn't understand the points of the highlighted text fully, since they seemed fragmented and even counter what I was assuming was your argument.
Would you feel comfortable with the right people making light of your disability? Perhaps one day I might be so lucky to be in your good graces to comfortably make light of your disability.
I'd like to add that the PDF you linked was the perfect response to any questions I might have had, if only it was 9 pages ago.
