Got out for an hour today

[vferrari]

Thanks, Tom. Growing up in San Diego County a long time ago i wish I had caught the bug when I was young. I collected coins but didn't realize at the time how it would have been easier to collect by coinshooting with a detector than by getting rolls of coins from the bank. Even CA is more friendly to the hobby than NoVA it seems, and that's saying something about a state that changes its constitution just about every time a new state law is enacted. Hope to bring the Deus back with me some day when I visit my old stomping grounds.

 

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[Calabash Digger]

nice! I love bottles and thats a cool one.

 

[Tom_in_CA]

Thanks, Tom. Growing up in San Diego County a long time ago i wish I had caught the bug when I was young. I collected coins but didn't realize at the time how it would have been easier to collect by coinshooting with a detector than by getting rolls of coins from the bank. Even CA is more friendly to the hobby than NoVA it seems, and that's saying something about a state that changes its constitution just about every time a new state law is enacted. Hope to bring the Deus back with me some day when I visit my old stomping grounds.

Hi vferrai. I'm about 6 or 7 hrs. north of San Diego.

Re.: Calif. friendly to the hobby. I suppose so. I can't think of any place (barring a few federal historic parks, etc...) that disallow md'ing. But let me clarify: I'm sure that there are places we detect that .... if enough people went asking "can I?" to the right top brass or purist archies, that we could indeed fetch a "no".

For example: State beaches here (which are simply a subset of our state park system), have curious boiler plate obligatory language about "cultural heritage". So strictly speaking, you're not supposed to find coins over 50 yrs. old on our state administered beaches. Yet there's been beach hunting on our state beaches since the earliest days the hobby began. And it's never been an issue, and you detect them till you're blue in the face.

Guess what all of us do when we find a coin over 50 yrs. old ? Here's your options:

a) we bury it back into the sand.

b) we rush to alert the state archaeologist.

c) we keep it.

You only get one guess !

 

[vferrari]

I understand where you are coming from. No one said the laws need to make sense or that they have to be well thought out. I am sure even in my neck of the woods that laws are one thing and enforcement is another. I am sure regarding the parks, if you are in an actual park with athletic fields and picnic pavilions where the park rangers are patrolling that is a different enforcement situation than being on a back woods bike or hiking trail through a subdivision even if both sites are park authority land. And not to hijack Jadoc's thread too much further, I am planning on taking a course with a local historic site that marries the metal detectorist up with a trained archeologist to foster working together rather than at cross purposes.

 

[Tom_in_CA]

.... And not to hijack Jadoc's thread too much further, I am planning on taking a course with a local historic site that marries the metal detectorist up with a trained archeologist to foster working together rather than at cross purposes.

Hoping this doesn't hijack the thread either, but .... Re.: the md'rs helping on archie sites. That's great. But a word of caution: It might not be what you think it will be. If it's anything like the ones I've been on, it's totally boring. Eg.: you flag each beep, and they come back days later to dig it up with tweezers and brushes, blah blah.

And the archies (some of them) can be quite condescending to md'rs. Ie.: they're fine if/when you're doing it "under their auspices" and with their methods. But will bristle if you started talking about normal md'ing, or showed them some of your cool finds, etc....

Hopefully the ones you work for are cool and not "purists".

 

[vferrari]

Hoping this doesn't hijack the thread either, but .... Re.: the md'rs helping on archie sites. That's great. But a word of caution: It might not be what you think it will be. If it's anything like the ones I've been on, it's totally boring. Eg.: you flag each beep, and they come back days later to dig it up with tweezers and brushes, blah blah.

And the archies (some of them) can be quite condescending to md'rs. Ie.: they're fine if/when you're doing it "under their auspices" and with their methods. But will bristle if you started talking about normal md'ing, or showed them some of your cool finds, etc....

Hopefully the ones you work for are cool and not "purists".

We are not keeping our promise not to hijack this thread, eh?

I know one of the detector technicians and have relic hunted with him so I think it will be a balanced program. The certificate I earn may get me access to some local sites in an "official" capacity which will be interesting if for nothing else because I am a fan of the local history.

 

[jadocs]

In an attempt to learn more about this bottle, I searched hutchbook.com

I only found one example listed as clear. I noticed the "R" on the top right of the description.




So I looked up what the "R" meant on the site and saw this:



If I'm reading it correctly it states less than 10 known.

 

[vferrari]

Awesome.

 

[angelito1]

latitude and longitude numbers please..,that is a nice bottle.........

 

[jadocs]

Now I'm bitten by the bottle bug lol. Actually I can't wait to get back out there.

 

[Cletus]

very nice !!

 

[jadocs]

Sorry about bringing this back up guys but I'm pretty stoked. I contacted hutchbook.com to see if I could get more info and got a reply this evening. It was really nice of them to take the time to respond in detail like that. So glad I didn't break the bottle with my shovel!

Nice find!

The bottle you found actually DOES match the one we have catalogued as VA0074. The natural color of glass is aqua (pale green). In order to turn it different colors, various types of additives are added to the mixture, e.g. adding gold will turn it red (that's why red glass is expensive). The owner(s) of Warwick Bottling Works paid the glass manufacturer extra in order to have their bottles blown with clear glass, likley hoping that doing so would make the contents appear to be more appealing to customers. The additive the manufacturer of VA0074 used to turn the glass mixture clear was manganese. Ultra-violet light (e.g. the sun's rays) will turn clear glass various shades of amethyst, depending on how much manganese was in the glass mixture. The use of manganese as an additive was curtailed due to WWI and an increased demand for manganese to manufacture munitions. Even though your bottle was likely buried in the ground for well over 100 years, it has been exposed to UV rays because they penetrate the earth and react with the manganese in the glass. VA0074 is catalogued as "clear" because that was the original glass color at the time the bottle was manufactured.

Yes, the "R" in the listing means the bottle's rarity rating is "Rare" (position your cursor over the "R" and a pop-up will appear spelling out "Rare"). The rarity definitions we are using for HutchBook.com are spelled out in the "Hutchinson Data Definitions" portion of the "Hutchinson Directory" page.

We have no historical information about this bottling plant in file and aren't aware of any published books providing information about Virginia soda bottlers or their bottles. The public library and/or a historical society in Newport News should be able to help you find information about the years the bottling plant was in operation, its location, the ownership, etc. A related variant of your bottle is VA0073. That bottle included the owner's name - N. D. Pitman. No doubt the "P (in diamond)" embossed on VA0074 was Pitman's trade mark.

Continued success with your detecting!

Ron F.
HutchBook@yahoo.com
HutchBook.com

 

[rick67]

Maybe you could do some research on N.D. Pitman. Might narrow down where in the hood his plant was. I wouldn't doubt that building is still standing. There so many relic buildings there.

 

[jadocs]

I think I know the plant and believe it was torn down. I'm going to do more research for sure.