Great Seal Button Backmarks Help

[Bigcypresshunter]

I am assembling a list of US Army Great Seal button backmarks 1902-present.. This seems to be the most complete list available anywhere. With the help of TN members, I am occasionally adding and improving upon it. So far I have over 100 different backmarks. Anyone with a Great Seal button backmark or backmark variation not listed please post the pic and Ill add it. The thread is already so long its not necessary to add anything already pictured. Thanks.

This is how it all started:


I bought 2 bags of small Great Seal of US buttons for a buck at a flea market. Can someone help me date these backmarks? I believe they are all post 1902. I cant find anything else online.

1- Top row SCOVILL MF'G CO WATERBURY (back ungilted)
2- SCOVILL MF'G CO WATERBURY
3- Bottom CITY BUTTON WORKS - N.Y.
4- WATERBURY BUTTON CO.

 

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[Bigcypresshunter]

*BUMP* Here's a new backmark for ya Bigcypresshunter:

RL (Interlocked) in a Circle (is this an R. Liebmann button?)

Thats a new one I havent seen!

Sorry I havent been able to update this thread but yes we could certainly include it. Im not sure if its a Liebmann.

 

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[RSGJR]

Can anyone help me with info on this Great Seal Button?
"W&S Lyon Co. New York"

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Can anyone help me with info on this Great Seal Button?
"W&S Lyon Co. New York"

Looks like a rare backmark. I dont have anything on it but I see its on the list.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Can anyone help me with info on this Great Seal Button?
"W&S Lyon Co. New York"
View attachment 1726968 View attachment 1726967

Where did you find it? It may also be on the list of buttons Rockermike was looking for. Nice find.

Quote Originally Posted by rockermike17368 View Post
Hi All, Here is an updated list of Great Seals I'm looking for: Non-dug please....

B.B.Abrahams/Philadelphia
S.Appel & Co. (coat size)
E.A.Armstrong
Bernhard & Schrag & Co. (coat size)
Best & Co. (Any)
Brooks Brothers (any type or size)
Chapsal & Michaul/Paris
Clayton /Chicago
DeMoulin Bros. (coat size)
James C. Doran & Sons/Providence R.I.
Dusenbury & Schwab Inc./New York/229-4th Ave
Fa Ne Di Lorenzo/Firenze
Frateli Reanda/Roma
Greenwood Co./Detroit Mich
Hahn/Baltimore
Johnson /Milano (coat size)
Jennens & Co. (gilt)
D.Klein & Bros./Philadelphia
Frank J. Krupp/Washington
S&B Lederer Co./Providence R.I.
Lewis MS Co. San Antonio
W&S Lyon Co. NY
W.S.Mangre & Co./San Fransico Calif
Marshall Field /Chicago
McEnany & Scott NY Made in England
SN Meyer/Washington
B. Pasquale Co. /S.Fran.,Cal. (officers button with cut out rim & eagle)
Publix Theater Corp NY
Reliable Mfg Co./Newark NJ
Alfredo Roensch (Any, and w/ applied device)
Josh Starkey (listed in Johnson's book)
State Arsenal/Harrisburg PA
T.W.&W./Paris
Tiffany & Co. (any type or size)
Travis Merchantile Co./San Antonio Tx
Walcott Mfg. Co Providence R.I.
Wender & Goldstein Brooklyn NY
J.H.Wilson/Philadelphia

As always any help is appreciated! Email is [email protected] Thanks!

 

[RSGJR]

The funny thing is, I've dug hundreds of holes metal detecting and have only found one of these buttons. This one I found wile digging a hole for a big palm tree I was planting in my backyard!
I'm in Florida about 30min. South of Tampa.

 

[fyrffytr1]

That button is in good shape for a dug specimen. Hopefully some information on the W&S Lyon Co. can be found.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

The funny thing is, I've dug hundreds of holes metal detecting and have only found one of these buttons. This one I found wile digging a hole for a big palm tree I was planting in my backyard!
I'm in Florida about 30min. South of Tampa.

I work in East Naples in the swamp
https://www.youtube.com/c/BigCypressSwamp

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Found a few WS Lyon buttons at auction https://moundcityauctions.hibid.com/lot/34719308/us-wands-lyon-company-new-york--and-r/

 

[fyrffytr1]

Is the OPs button a raised letter backmark? Or are my eyes deceiving me?

 

[RSGJR]

No Sir, the letters are recessed/stamped into the button.

 

[fyrffytr1]

No Sir, the letters are recessed/stamped into the button.

So, my eyes mislead me. Dang these lyin' eyes!

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

According to this, they manufactured military supplies in World War 2. https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/world-war-2-us-army-dress-uniform-boots-hat-jacket

The hat is from W. & S. Lyon Co. military supplies New York City. The jacket is also missing one of its middle buttons.

W.& S.LYON CO.. NEW YORK. World War 2

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

They were in business during World War I as well according to this. https://crilearchives.pastperfectonline.com/webobject/53AAC13C-15F4-4BB6-957E-051019351109

WWI Military hat. Cloth and leather. Inside top of hat is stamped: W& S Lyon co. Military Supplies 35-37 East 20th St. New York.



W.& S.LYON CO.. NEW YORK. in business at least from WW1 - WW2

 

[fyrffytr1]

I just bought 15 Great Seal buttons all with different backmarks and noticed something about one. It is marked "Kahn or Kamn Indiapolis" My book says Indianapolis. Is this backmark, missing the "na" the norm? I also got one with "J.C.L. Shabeck/Prov. R.I. Here's a picture of the Kahn(?) and I will post the Shabeck when I get the buttons unless one has already been posted.

 

[fyrffytr1]

Here is one I recently acquired. Heiberger/Washington

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

I just bought 15 Great Seal buttons all with different backmarks and noticed something about one. It is marked "Kahn or Kamn Indiapolis" My book says Indianapolis. Is this backmark, missing the "na" the norm? I also got one with "J.C.L. Shabeck/Prov. R.I. Here's a picture of the Kahn(?) and I will post the Shabeck when I get the buttons unless one has already been posted.

Looks like a good one. It looks familiar but Im not able to find anything on this button but I think its KAHN. I did find mention of Kahn Tailors or Kahn Tailoring in Indianapolis circa about 1930s-WW2. No mention of the incorrect spelling.

https://aotp.com/product/03051866/

https://picclick.com/Wwii-Us-Army-Coat-Service-Officers-Od-Dark-292989847900.html

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Somewhere on this page is mention of "Kahn Tailor Uniforms, Indianapolis, IN". If its here, the button company may be older than I previously noted.


uipat2.html

EDIT: uniform on the bottom of the page

 

[fyrffytr1]

How about a "Handy Button Mach Co./ Chicago"? Picture isn't the best. And it is definitely "Kahn/Indiapolis".

 

[fyrffytr1]

I just got one that has a "Cumner Jones & Co,/Boston" backmark. It is post 1910. I will post a picture tomorrow. Quick research says they were in business from 1890-1950.

 

[fyrffytr1]

Cumner Jones & Co./ Boston