Harassed at my local ball field

Corey Shadler

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Metal Detecting
I was hunting at my local ball field last night. A guy came over and was very angry about me being there. I tried to explain to him that I had already checked with the police and our mayor years ago and there are no laws against it. I tried to explain to him and show him how I do not destroy anything by cutting out the plug of grass and filling my holes back in and putting the plug of grass back so you can't even tell I was there. I could understand his point if I was sloppy and not filling in my holes or not putting the grass plug back in. He said he doesn't care . He told me he is a member of the borough council and at the next town meeting he is going to purpose a law outlawing metal detecting in our town. Any suggestions of how I can stop this guy from passing this law?
 

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Maybe you should attend that meeting and plead your case if that bozo actually proposes it. Take pictures of the area after you have detected and ask him to explain to the other council members what he is actually complaining about! Tell them if the want to post anything, post a sign that says, "NO LITTERING."
 

Also, bring with you the pounds of trash and pieces of glass that you have removed from those parks!
 

Go to the meeting and present your side of the argument....explain how you do and how long you have been doing it and how this is the first time anyone has ever complained. To pass a ordinance on one person not being happy seems extreme. Then suggest that if they decide to pass this based on one person's opinion you have a list of ordinances you would like to see passed and go off. They should get your point

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Take some photos of all the dog crap you probably come across. Then ask why he doesn't complain about the rampant law breaking by dog owners and propose that dogs be outlawed from all public parks.

Sounds like the guy wants to abuse his position to push an agenda. Take a copy of our code of ethics and ask if anyone has an issue with what you are doing.

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Thanks for the quick and helpful responses. Good thing I saved all the trash and glass. I even have a live bullet I found there. I will definitely be attending that meeting.
 

I keep a bag of trash I have found in my garage. If the need ever arises I can pull it out and take it to a meeting. Just dump it on the table in front of the complaining party and ask everyone there if they want to go to a park with the kids with all that garbage and sharp objects around for them to step on.

Be sure and point out that you are removing the litter FOR FREE and leaving little to no trace of your ever being there.

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Parks are a public resource and capable of varied activities.
The people who should be concerned most are detectorists who hunt by a code of ethics and do not tolerate abuse of turfs and properties.
Secondly those who mow and maintain the grounds know well if plugs or digging is harming the grounds.
Those at one I hunt ask only that trash be removed.
There have been abuses from ignorant detectorists that do not hunt by any ethics or caring. Were I part of the grounds keeping I would be offended.
Still ,the activities draw people. Which in that community is a good thing.

Should detecting become an issue I would sure want to be at a meeting where it was the topic and either have written statements from those who know my detecting or a representative to confirm detecting is fine in there eyes when done properly.

Plugs are the biggest concern. Secured well and consideration for type of equipment to prevent their getting lifted and mowed is about the biggest concern of mine.
No problem when done right.

I had headphones on when a big woman standing on concrete in flip flops (where natives used to be able to go barefoot at) a snack shack by the fake beach in my hometowns park (I first detected at least four decades earlier before the concrete and fake beach and fat ice cream eaters worried about the non native grass) complained to my daughter we were killing the grass.
After I was told I looked for her but did not find her. Probably just as well ,but she would not have liked it....
 

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Before the meeting go back to that park, make sure that he sees you detecting, when, not if, he approaches you antagonize him to the point that he is screaming, have a friend start filming on a cell phone. Bonus points awarded if he assaults you and you cripple him. Just another point of view.

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I avoid modern, active baseball fields - Not only because all you are likely to find is trash and clad but because of the dangers a loosened clod could cause someone running.
All well and good to be neat and fill in holes but lets face it, the clod kills that spot for a period of time and it is prone to be flipped out with the greatest of ease for some time to come. For me at least, there are just too many places to hunt which don't attract running people to mess with these.
Is it nicely manicured ? Does it have lights for night playing ? If so, you should back out and find somewhere else to hunt, though technically you may well be within your rights.
 

Looking forward to hearing about the meeting! Good Luck Corey!! :icon_thumleft:
 

Thanks for the good advice everyone! It would be a shame to loose this spot for me. Xraywolf. It's definitely not a modern ball field. No lights. Definitely not maintained well. There are ruts all throughout the infield from rain washouts. And every time I hunt there I find good stuff like this. ImageUploadedByTreasureNet.com1501963416.957029.webp
 

Best to avoid sports fields during playing season unless you're just probing/clad stabbing. Even then, go early in the morning before the busy body's come out.
 

Next time I would just politely ask for his name. Then go from there...
 

I was hunting at my local ball field last night. A guy came over and was very angry about me being there. I tried to explain to him that I had already checked with the police and our mayor years ago and there are no laws against it. I tried to explain to him and show him how I do not destroy anything by cutting out the plug of grass and filling my holes back in and putting the plug of grass back so you can't even tell I was there. I could understand his point if I was sloppy and not filling in my holes or not putting the grass plug back in. He said he doesn't care . He told me he is a member of the borough council and at the next town meeting he is going to purpose a law outlawing metal detecting in our town. Any suggestions of how I can stop this guy from passing this law?

Corey, we are rooting for you. A few observations:

a) This is just SO typical of places people have "permission" for. No matter how many or who tell you "yes", it's not carte-blanche positive that any other busy-body can't STILL "send you packing". So I sort of have to chuckle when I read of someone who got "permission", thinking they are just free & clear now. Not only because this story of yours is all-too-common, but also that in their attempt to get permission, they can often-time get a "no", from a place where, quite frankly, no one would ever have seen or bothered them (ie.: the issue never occurred to the person you are asking).

b) But in this case, you DID get a "yes", and now, despite that, you are harrassed. This is exactly why 90% of my turfed park hunting is done at night nowadays. So peaceful. So serene. NOT because I think I'm doing something wrong, but EXACTLY because of what's happened to you. Like nose-picking: Not illegal, nor does it need permission, but ... we all use discreet timing so as not to offend the squeemish. Right ?

c) Because let's face it: MD'ing has ... uh .... connotations. That you might be about to leave a hole. And you will most often be on the loosing end of that debate.

d) bilder's advice of taking pix of dog crap, and asking why there's a contradiction of complaints / enforcement is NOT a good idea. Because quite frankly, the person who didn't pick up their dog's crap was probably in violation of some rule. And simply wasn't seen. It's a non-issue of how many others "get away" with something. In fact, to try to do that is merely to paint a poor picture of yourself, as if you are comparing yourself to other forms of egregious activity. On the contrary, you want to paint yourself as innocuous.

e) If you go to this meeting, do NOT bring it up, unless HE brings it up. Because it could be an idle complaint. Ie.: he may never bring up a proposed rule. He might just forget about it. And if YOU start trying to "seek clarification" (ie.: start the discussion at a city council meeting), you might just open a can of worms and swat hornets nests. So don't fight anything, unless something is truly proposed as a rule.

f) Just go at night from here on out. Or other such odd-ball times when that singular lookie-lou isn't around. Problem solved. JMHO.
 

I suppose I would first have to ask if you were using a shovel to dig your holes, or a small hand trowel?

Confrontation will always result in you losing, which ultimately means we all lose.

Here is the Canadian Code of Ethics, but I would imagine it's the same everywhere just worded differently.


I WILL respect private property and WILL NOT trespass without the land owners permission.

I WILL NOT destroy property, buildings or what is left of ghost towns and deserted structures.

I WILL NOT litter, always pack out what I take in and remove all trash dug in my search.

I WILL leave all gates and other accesses to land as found.

I WILL appreciate and protect our heritage of natural resources, wildlife, and private property.

I WILL use thoughtfulness, consideration and courtesy at all times.

I WILL abide by all laws, ordinances or regulations that may govern my search, or the area I will be in.

I WILL fill all holes, regardless how remote the location, and never dig in a way that will damage, be damaging to, or kill any vegetation.

I WILL report the discovery of items of significant historical value to a local historian or museum in accordance with the latest legislation.

I WILL be an ambassador for the metal detecting hobby.

* * * REMEMBER * * *
“All treasure hunters may be judged by the example you set. Be extremely careful with your probing, picking up, discarding of trash, and ALWAYS COVER YOUR HOLES!”
 

Why would you not have knee pads, pouch, headphones and a digger? It is pretty hard to not use those, though I have found a lot of the money I have found is right on top of the grass, some need digging, and once you found it, you have to put it somewhere.
 

Why would you not have knee pads, pouch, headphones and a digger? It is pretty hard to not use those, though I have found a lot of the money I have found is right on top of the grass, some need digging, and once you found it, you have to put it somewhere.

Because you should look low key. The more low key you look, the less chance of someone questioning what you are doing. You can have a hand digger( less handle ) in your back pocket and you can put finds in your other pockets.
 

Low Key, Yeah you could leave your metal detector in your car and just walk around glancing at the ground once in a while.
 

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