I have a VERY AGRESSIVE dog problem

[releventchair]

[A police officer in Warwick, Rhode Island, shot and killed a dog on Sunday night that was allegedly attacking a group of people, another dog and eventually the cop.]

https://www.nbcboston.com/news/local/police-shoot-kill-dog-in-warwick-that-attacked-group-then-charged-officer/3380882/

 

[AU Seeker]

That's nice, but nowhere in that legal rambling does it state that you can kill your neighbor's dog because you think it's vicious.

No one was saying they could kill a dog they "think" is viscous, you first statement wasn't worded that way, which lead to these laws being posted.

"Nice" post. You are still wrong. But "nice" try.

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RI Gen L § 4-13-18. (2024)
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§ 4-13-18. Destruction of dogs in defense of person or livestock.

Any person may kill any dog that suddenly assaults him or her or any person of his or her family or in his or her company, while the person assaulted is out of the enclosure of the owner or keeper of that dog and any person may kill any dog found out of the enclosure of its owner or keeper, assaulting, wounding, or killing any cattle, sheep, lamb, horse, hog, or fowl, not the property of its owner.

History of Section.
G.L. 1896, ch. 111, § 6; G.L. 1909, ch. 135, § 6; G.L. 1923, ch. 136, § 6; G.L. 1938, ch. 639, § 6; G.L. 1956, § 4-13-18; P.L. 1981, ch. 374, § 1.]

This is the law in most if not all of the states, I thought most everyone knew this or at least they should if they own any dog/s, as these laws apply to ANY dog, not just those dogs deemed most dangerous!!

These laws can even apply to a Chihuahua if it was biting a baby or anyone for that matter!

 

[Tesorodeoro]

At this point, this post is going down an emotional rabbit hole. Most everyone loves their pets.

1. You have an unknown VERY AGGRESSIVE dog, that is primarily egressive towards other dogs.

2. You are looking for suggestions since the behavior is obviously unacceptable.

3. The dog is displaying strong genetic characteristics. They have been bred to enhance a dog and bull related blood sport.

4. There is a risk associated with taking on this challenge.

I think you are fighting an uphill battle to overcome genetic tendencies. The physical harm of failing may not initially be directed towards yourself, but they may ultimately be financial and emotional ramifications.

Dogs are neither humans nor horses.

 

[Gare]

So how is a dog declared vicious ? and who is the person declaring it ?

 

[AU Seeker]

So how is a dog declared vicious ? and who is the person declaring it ?

In your case I would think it's the owner of the other dog your dog is acting aggressive towards, but usually there is an injury involved and them reporting it to an LEO before it's "official" .

 

[Tesorodeoro]

In your case I would think it's the owner of the other dog your dog is acting aggressive towards, but usually there is an injury involved and them reporting it to an LEO before it's "official" .

Many times the vets are closely linked with animal control. An injured dog is presented that requires stitches or surgery, resulting from a dog fight might trigger a report to animal control so they can follow up with the owners. I know they are concerned about rabies vaccinations.

I was unfortunately at a very expensive vet hospital when an injured dog arrived that was in tatters from a dog fight.

These speciality vet hospitals generally cost $1200 to $1500 a day. It can get very expensive when owners are invested in a no win situation but feel obligated to try.

 

[oldmxrat]

He is neutered

Well no wonder he's pissed off!

Sorry Gare, couldn't resist. But seriously, terrible situation. I hope you can find a solution.

 

[Gare]

Jax is only aggressive when another dog attacks him or gets mean with him. NEVER ADU+LTs NEIGHBOR KIDS LOVE HIM AND VISE VERSA. They like coming over and play throw the ball or what ever and he runs to return it. Just seems if another dog shows aggression he responds'

 

[Tesorodeoro]

Jax is only aggressive when another dog attacks him or gets mean with him. NEVER ADU+LTs NEIGHBOR KIDS LOVE HIM AND VISE VERSA. They like coming over and play throw the ball or what ever and he runs to return it. Just seems if another dog shows aggression he responds'

Wow Gare. Have you had a Pit Bull type dog prior to this?

 

[ncsuwolf]

Jax is only aggressive when another dog attacks him or gets mean with him. NEVER ADU+LTs NEIGHBOR KIDS LOVE HIM AND VISE VERSA. They like coming over and play throw the ball or what ever and he runs to return it. Just seems if another dog shows aggression he responds'

Gare, I’ll start this by saying I am a dog lover 100%, full stop. However, there are situations (individual dogs or breeds) that need to be treated differently. Not to piss off you or others on the site, but 20 years ago if you were my neighbor you wouldn’t be asking this question…..the dog would have disappeared. Even today, if the dog showed aggression towards me/my family/my animals….wouldn't be a conversation. My grandfather had a similar dog 40 yrs ago, was good with grandkids (obviously adults around) but killed any other dog that came on the farm. That dog lived out the last 6-8 yrs of her life in a 6x12 pen because grandpaw wouldn’t let her out (fearing for grandkids and others). Either plan on keeping the dog locked up for the rest of his life, take it to an approved facility who can deal with animals like this, or solve the problem yourself. Sorry to be direct, but was raised in the country…..questions like this never came up…..they were solved one way or the other.

 

[Tesorodeoro]

The scary thing is it’s been uncontrollably violent 4 times in the last 18 months. Personally I would be very uncomfortable allowing children play with this dog, only because it would be uncontrollable if it attacked for some reason..maybe someone steps on him or someone walks up with a dog and a kid gets in between the two dogs or tries to break it up. Top three breeds responsible for attack related human deaths. Half of the deaths are children under the age of 12 It’s just not even close. They can be dangerous.

 

[Cutty]

So how is a dog declared vicious ? and who is the person declaring it ?

You did that in the original post I believe

 

[Chilli]

You did that in the original post I believe

Yep. I had a bully cross that became too aggressive. Ok with me but thank goodness in the time I had him nobody got hurt.
I had no hesitation in putting him down.
Sorry to say @Gare but several times your dogs attacked it appears you yourself are physically unable to control it. That's a worry. I've seen people with Bullys and other types that have struggled to control their dog when it went off its nut. They shouldn't own a dog they don't have the physicality to control under all situations. Nobody should.
Are you talking about an actual English staffy or an American what we call Am Staffs here. Got a picture of it? Big diff between English and Am Staffs.
Your story has changed too mate during this thread.
Your original question was...
"Can anyone help m e with ideas. My dog wants to fight every dog it sees ."
You yourself say it wants to fight every dog it see's. Your words.
Now you flip the coin and say.....
"Jax is only aggressive when another dog attacks him or gets mean with him"
What happened to "him wanting to fight every dog he see's" ?
Personally I believe your first statement was the correct one and its changed because your getting some answers you didn't expect.
I always say "when you ask a question or advice, be prepared to get some that you may not be agree with".

 

[xr7ator]

I had a friend that went to answer the door bell to grab a package from the mail man. The family dog snuck out while grabbing the package and ran across the road. There was a motorcyclist coming down the road and swerved to avoid hitting the dog as it ran across the road. The cyclist crashed and broke both legs and pelvis. The cyclist then got a lawyer and sued the dog owner for the limits of liability on his home-owners insurance policy. $300k.
Animals are a liability, no doubt, so be sure you have coverage. Be sure your home policy does not exclude "animal liability".

 

[Tesorodeoro]

I had a friend that went to answer the door bell to grab a package from the mail man. The family dog snuck out while grabbing the package and ran across the road. There was a motorcyclist coming down the road and swerved to avoid hitting the dog as it ran across the road. The cyclist crashed and broke both legs and pelvis. The cyclist then got a lawyer and sued the dog owner for the limits of liability on his home-owners insurance policy. $300k.
Animals are a liability, no doubt, so be sure you have coverage. Be sure your home policy does not exclude "animal liability".

Dang it. Some dogs have to ruin things for everyone else. Tort Liability is a real thing. While it would seem the motorcycle was at fault because he should be going slow enough to safely stop if an animal runs out. The insurance on the home paid better.

 

[AU Seeker]

Dang it. Some dogs have to ruin things for everyone else. Tort Liability is a real thing. While it would seem the motorcycle was at fault because he should be going slow enough to safely stop if an animal runs out. The insurance on the home paid better.

I disagree that the driver was at fault, how many times have deer darted out in traffic and couldn't be avoided, sometimes it happens so fast you just can't easily avoid them!

 

[Mattock]

I had a friend that went to answer the door bell to grab a package from the mail man. The family dog snuck out while grabbing the package and ran across the road. There was a motorcyclist coming down the road and swerved to avoid hitting the dog as it ran across the road. The cyclist crashed and broke both legs and pelvis. The cyclist then got a lawyer and sued the dog owner for the limits of liability on his home-owners insurance policy. $300k.
Animals are a liability, no doubt, so be sure you have coverage. Be sure your home policy does not exclude "animal liability".

Sorry to here about your friend. I was thinking the exact same thing you better be wearing a lawyer and have one hell of an insurance policy when out with the dog.

 

[xr7ator]

My point is that owning a dog is a liability as to back in the day folks considered it a security.
Tesorodeoro. It should read; "Dang it. Some dog owners have to ruin...."

 

[Tesorodeoro]

I disagree that the driver was at fault, how many times have deer darted out in traffic and couldn't be avoided, sometimes it happens so fast you just can't easily avoid them!

I don’t want to hijack, but in the eyes of the police it’s an at fault accident for failure to maintain lane or failure to control vehicle.

Now when Tort Liability is concerns (which is relevant to this topic), in civil court, they weigh fault differently. It’s possible to be at fault per the cop and partially at fault per the jury. Say the motor cyclist (Joe Dirt) is determined to be 92 percent at fault and the dog owner 8%. Not exact percentages, but the dog owner is minimally at fault.

If Joe Dirt has nothing but a stolen motorcycle with duct tape holding the seat together and the dog owner has assets and a great insurance policy, guess who pays 100% of the settlement? Once you research Tort Liabikity you start thinking that this is what is wrong with this country! There are a million situations where someone could be found partially at fault.

 

[Gare]

I understand this Having owned a insurance agency I know responsibilities. We are responsible for our animals I even carry liability even on my horses.