Is it Gold?

Silver Searcher · Mar 8, 2009

Hi everybody...

found this today, I've also posted it in today's finds, it looks like Gold :icon_scratch:

and has a stamp on the back which looks like a Lion and a R I suppose I could google it ::)

but that would take that fun out of it

CRUSADER · Mar 9, 2009

As posted in todays, Silver with gold wash :thumbsup:

Silver Searcher · Mar 9, 2009

JakefaePa said:
No worries , gnite , ill have a list of possible dates and when we can see the R clearly we can say exactly what period it came from , cheers

I would hazard a guess to say it came after 1890 as between 1784 and 1890 there would have been 3 hallmarks.The 3rd being payment of duty.

Whats interesting is there is no city hallmark , to me that rules out being older than 1784 , it will also give us a headache pinning it down as each city had thier own mint and cycles of letters.
Its English for sure, if it were Scottish the lion would be Rampant.

England has thrown up a great many old items , maybe it is older than 1794.

Hi....I took a close up of the R :thumbsup:

ivan salis · Mar 9, 2009

gold plated (washed ) over sterling silver base -- nice find -- used to hold down the stink -- these were locket type devices --with a cloth inside -- perfume was dabbed onto the cloth to help cover offending "smells" -- a lady might have it "stashed" in her bust area -- remember there was no a / c in those days (sweat your buns off)-- and richer women lots of thick heavy clothes and daily bathing was not a common thing either . often once every week or so . :tard:

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Bigcypresshunter · Mar 9, 2009

ivan salis said:
gold plated (washed ) over sterling silver base -- nice find -- used to hold down the stink -- these were locket type devices --with a cloth inside -- perfume was dabbed onto the cloth to help cover offending "smells" -- a lady might have it "stashed" in her bust area -- remember there was no a / c in those days (sweat your buns off)-- and richer women lots of thick heavy clothes and daily bathing was not a common thing either . often once every week or so . .

I read that the native Florida Indians were appalled at the stench of Spanish explorers and their overall lack of cleanliness. Sorry to get off subject.

ivan salis · Mar 9, 2009

you really are not off base in my veiw -- big cy -- since in fact we are talking about what the item is and what it was used for *--to fully understand why the item was built like it was ( a silver item with gold (wash) plating to stand up to acidic sweat form a human body) and its use properly in the "context" of its time one must understand its use and why it was needed in the first place. -- folks from europe didn't bath too often back then.

Silver Searcher · Mar 9, 2009

ivan salis said:
gold plated (washed ) over sterling silver base -- nice find -- used to hold down the stink -- these were locket type devices --with a cloth inside -- perfume was dabbed onto the cloth to help cover offending "smells" -- a lady might have it "stashed" in her bust area -- remember there was no a / c in those days (sweat your buns off)-- and richer women lots of thick heavy clothes and daily bathing was not a common thing either . often once every week or so . .

And they put flour on there hair, which attracted flys that lyed there eggs......don't think i'll go on :tard:

not of topic apart from black death which was a bit earlier :icon_study:

ivan salis · Mar 9, 2009

whats a few hundred years time wize between freinds ? --- by the way -- the black death was quite a bit earlier in europe's history (the dark ages)

Silver Searcher · Mar 10, 2009

ivan salis said:
whats a few hundred years time wize between freinds ? --- by the way -- the black death was quite a bit earlier in europe's history (the dark ages)

No after dark ages...dark ages refers to early Anglo Saxon times 400AD-800AD :icon_study:

Smithbrown · Mar 10, 2009

Unfortunately the R for 1812 and the R for 1892 are very similar. I would just favour the earlier date, because they were much looser on marking small items
Smithbrown

Montana Jim · Mar 13, 2009

R = 1859 - http://www.925-1000.com/dlSheffield.html (The shape of the box is key)

Lion Passant in that outline = .925 Sterling from Sheffield, England (1773 - Present) - http://www.925-1000.com/british_marks.html

I think the color is off in the pics to make it look brass?

RELICDUDE07 · Mar 13, 2009

I think you may have the wrong chart,notice the lions body how thick he is at the top of your chart...And how thin he is on the box lid,different lion ....

Montana Jim · Mar 13, 2009

It's the same lion... they did'nt make a thick and thin lion - it's probebly lighting, dirt, and wear IMO.

RELICDUDE07 · Mar 13, 2009

Like you said the shape of the box is key, also the shape of the box around the lion.Go look at the link / chart i posted back up top ,of the london hallmarks---------- different lion -different dates

Montana Jim · Mar 13, 2009

RELICDUDE07 said:
Like you said the shape of the box is key, also the shape of the box around the lion.Go look at the link / chart i posted back up top ,of the london hallmarks---------- different lion -different dates

Yea... even the date shapes are off on so many examples... I'm taking another look at everything.