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[dirtscratcher]

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This thing? I can break that handle off and bend that blade in no time flat. See that upper indentation near the hilt? HUGE weak point. Serious construction workers and gardeners and diggers abandoned that design about 40 years ago. Every additional fold or bend in metal introduces a weakness, much in the same way that knots actually weaken a rope at that point versus a splice.

Unless that handle is something seriously tough like HDPE or teflon or kevlar and actually runs through the tang of the handle, I'm snapping it off in a heartbeat. Epoxy resin and plastic handles get wiped.

My job is to break everything. I know I can break this in under 5 minutes out on Steele Peak.

So obviously you've never used one right? If not you are in for a surprise. I know for a fact you won't break it with your hands. You might bend or break it in a vice but not by hand in the Manor it was intended to be used. If you think you can you should make a video.

 

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[TheHunterGT]

If someone's getting threatening PMs over what they said about a Lesche, then I am avoiding Lesche products.

High-dollar products tend to attract high-dollar KNOW-NOTHING attitudes.

The worst attitude on the planet.

That is laughable logic. There is no proof whatsoever of any threats by Lesche or members of the forum. No black helicopters anywhere.

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This thing? I can break that handle off and bend that blade in no time flat. See that upper indentation near the hilt? HUGE weak point. Serious construction workers and gardeners and diggers abandoned that design about 40 years ago. Every additional fold or bend in metal introduces a weakness, much in the same way that knots actually weaken a rope at that point versus a splice.

Unless that handle is something seriously tough like HDPE or teflon or kevlar and actually runs through the tang of the handle, I'm snapping it off in a heartbeat. Epoxy resin and plastic handles get wiped.

My job is to break everything. I know I can break this in under 5 minutes out on Steele Peak.

What a ridiculous statement. Bends and folds in certain metal applications are proven to increase strength. Quite simple stuff really. Flat iron and steel bands they use to stamp these tools are very easy to bend...especially at length...adding a V bend will require the need of additional force to make the same bend. Metal working 101.

The only way to snap the handle off of a full-tang Lesche in real-world conditions is trying to pry concrete slabs and boulders up. Nobody with regular digging force will break one outside of a manufacturing defect such as a bad weld.

Just because you break stuff at your job does not mean you are qualified to make assessments for everybody in real world situations. It makes you looks pompous. The fact you cannot get simple metal physics correct also adds to your lack of credibility. Lab or work type conditions where you break "stuff" does not equate to real world usage. Not even remotely the same ballpark.

By technical definitions, yes, it is. Even the basics of the underlying systems are essentially the same. It is an electronically-sent message, period. That someone used the term e-mail instead of private message is a moot point.

It is not a moot point when he is telling people to "learn the ropes" and then cannot get simple definitions correct. Emails and PMs are not the same and they do not use even close to the same protocol.

Oh yeah...IT guy for 20 years...see how that works?

 

[Joel_T]

It is an electronically-sent message, period. That someone used the term e-mail instead of private message is a moot point.

Emails and PMs are not the same and they do not use even close to the same protocol.

WTF? Emails and PMs are not the same? They're not both electronically sent messages?

Tomato, tomahto....You guys really have it out for this "other" guy.

 

[Joel_T]

I can't comment on hand diggers as I've never used one in 30 years of hunting and never will....I use a massive Snap-on screwdriver to pry up dirt after making a cross slit in the grass.
A practice that seems to be ignored and that's why there's hundreds of yellow (or missing) plugs in all the nice manicured parks this past summer.

Not meaning to hijack but....... How much tool vs technique is there to cutting a plug that will survive. How many have learned what works and doesn't work by going back to see there own plug history. Where can I find what really helps keep plugs green. I see vids by the "experts" but they show a bazillion variations that can't ALL work well.

 

[dirtscratcher]

Not meaning to hijack but....... How much tool vs technique is there to cutting a plug that will survive. How many have learned what works and doesn't work by going back to see there own plug history. Where can I find what really helps keep plugs green. I see vids by the "experts" but they show a bazillion variations that can't ALL work well.

I believe it has a lot to do with time of year or more importantly moisture content of the ground. If it is super dry no plug would be the best plug. When the ground has some moisture and you leave roots attached as in a u shaped plug it has best chance at not dying.

 

[SusanMN]

Sheesh, what a thread. When you get done arguing diggers, maybe we can have a nice discussion on whether a $70,000 car works as well as a $20,000 one.

 

[TheHunterGT]

WTF? Emails and PMs are not the same? They're not both electronically sent messages?

Tomato, tomahto....You guys really have it out for this "other" guy.

This post I am typing is an electronically sent message. Yet any child can tell you they are not emails...or PMs

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

Let's please stop the implied insults and move on....

 

[BigWaveDave]

I use my bare hands to cut plugs... The manicures are getting expensive though....

 

[T.C.]

Awww c'mon TH....I'm ROTFLMAO at these comments!!

Let's please stop the implied insults and move on....

 

[T.C.]

"I can't comment on hand diggers as I've never used one in 30 years of hunting and never will....I use a massive Snap-on screwdriver to pry up dirt after making a cross slit in the grass." Muddyhandz

I've cut a slit and pried up coins before....I'll have to give your method a try!! I do think a slit will grow back better than a plug!! Whoops....hope I didn't start another war!!

 

[FreeBirdTim]

LOL, that;s not even close to email. That is what is called a "private message". It even says that when you look at a person's profile, or when you click their account in a thread. So, what were you saying about "learning the ropes"? LOL

The harassing message was sent to my email address. I read the message in my email account. Therefore, it was an email message.

What part of that don't you understand?

 

[masterjedi]

"I can't comment on hand diggers as I've never used one in 30 years of hunting and never will....I use a massive Snap-on screwdriver to pry up dirt after making a cross slit in the grass." Muddyhandz

I've cut a slit and pried up coins before....I'll have to give your method a try!! I do think a slit will grow back better than a plug!! Whoops....hope I didn't start another war!!

LOL I have been digging since the late 70's ... With the new tools out there I can dig 3 times that targets that I did in the olden days... I am glad you like digging the old way... Its all about having fun in the hobby.....LOL

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

Freebird you have issues with moderation take it to pm, not on the forums, TN rules apply same to all members.

 

[Crappies-n-Coins]

I can see the blade flex on my Lesche when flopping a plug out of the ground. I sure didn't buy it to not use it, or to fabricate some BS story about it, but I'm back to the Fiskars.

Now, let me go get me a cold drink from my Yeti cooler, they taste better from a Yeti.

 

[FreeBirdTim]

I rest my case...

 

[etex]

Used a sharpshooter from Sears for years. Never has broke but if it ever does they will replace for free. Wouldn't recommend using one in a yard, but I rarely hunt yards.

 

[pepperj]

Ok guys thanks for the info. I really did not want to start something like this. I was looking for direction. I am totally new at this. Last week just before Christmas I was doing some Civil War research in my area. Found that there was a union fort in my area. Then that lead to this site. You guys Got me very interested. Got me a great detector and went digging today. At the beach. A great day at the beach. Didnt find much,(a quarter, a nickle, and almost a penny. wow those new pennies dont hold up well do they) walked about two mile, but had a great day. For today a went to the hardware store and got me a 99cent plastic digger and a $12 spade. Got me through the day. Dont expect the 99cent tool to hold up long, but on the other hand the $12 spade is pretty beefy. Heavy, but beefy. Thanks to all who have shared. I will consider all opinions. Now I just gotta learn how to use my machine.

Hey can don't fret about starting something as it's going into winter and usually by page three somebody or most are pissing in someone's else's soup bowl on the threads, you'll get use to it as it's just the way it seems.

Now to the digging tools got a hand digger from Kellyco in /08 with the package deal of basic stuff. Returned it at the end of the year as it was totally done for, stood there for an hour while they tried to figure out how to return a frigging two bit hand digger. The second one made it to the spring and got tossed when I bought a $12 jobbie out of the hardware store. I won a Leache hand digger and it's been going strong for 6 yrs just sharpen it every season start. Shovels are $10-50 the 50 is american made a little heavy but it's taking a beating. Broke a popular S/ST shovel sold by LeaValley, returned it and have gone through another and they've told me to return it once again. They finally admitted that it takes only 104lb of downward pressure, now that sucks I thought as sod has done it in twice. So my thinking is if you pay $8 or $60 and it feels good to you well that's all that matters. It's not a fashion show out there in the fields or in the bush but it sucks when I forget a shovel and it's too far to return home so it's off to the local hardware store in the nearest town and buy something that will dig dirt, I don't fret this type of crap, as digging time is to precious to worry about the costs of a forgot.

 

[dirtscratcher]

I can see the blade flex on my Lesche when flopping a plug out of the ground. I sure didn't buy it to not use it, or to fabricate some BS story about it, but I'm back to the Fiskars.

Now, let me go get me a cold drink from my Yeti cooler, they taste better from a Yeti.

Interesting your Fiskars is tougher than the lesche. Is this the one you are using?

 

[Muddyhandz]

LOL I have been digging since the late 70's ... With the new tools out there I can dig 3 times that targets that I did in the olden days... I am glad you like digging the old way... Its all about having fun in the hobby.....LOL

I could probably cut a plug faster with a knife, as I did that most of my years but now I don't have to cut any plugs as I don't want to damage the grass at public places.
Just a gift for the next generation.
Cheers.