Just what does the LDM cave/mine entrance look like?

[gollum]

Mike,
That's the Pit Mine which Joe showed some time back is not the Silver Chief. Some folks believe it's the LDM while others believe it's not. I understand that a lot of people know who mined it and how much gold they got out of it.

Colt1911,

You might want to do a little more research into the subject before trying to correct someone. The Pit Mine IS the Silver Chief Mine. Those of us local to the area and who have researched the subject know that.

Mike

 

[Colt1911]

Sorry Mike...I got my info from this and another site and thought the issue was pretty much resolved. Perhaps you have newer info that I haven't seen. I didn't mean to offend you Mike, Hell, you're bigger than I am!

 

[gollum]

Sorry Mike...I got my info from this and another site and thought the issue was pretty much resolved. Perhaps you have newer info that I haven't seen. I didn't mean to offend you Mike, Hell, you're bigger than I am!

No worries. No offense taken. Besides, a Colt1911A1 makes everybody the same size (unless I draw quicker)! LOL

I know a LOT of stories about the Pit Mine that very few do. One of the worst kept secrets of the Superstition Mountains.

Mike

 

[Blindbowman]

any good fighter will tell you size only counts for 50% of the fight out come .. dose matter that's women that think that way ...lol they like long bed trucks ...don't believe me look at butter bean ...

 

[Colt1911]

Hi Again Mike,
Would you feel comfortable sharing any of the info that you know that I, and perhaps others, don't know? If you can't I will understand. I just hate being completely wrong about one of my favorite stories.

 

[gollum]

Hi Again Mike,
Would you feel comfortable sharing any of the info that you know that I, and perhaps others, don't know? If you can't I will understand. I just hate being completely wrong about one of my favorite stories.

Nothing right now.

I will say that some people have made that inference in order to sell books. People tell stories for many reasons. All you have to do is research mining claims in Pinal and Maricopa Counties. The coordinates for the Silver Chief Mine place it on the Pit Mine. Also, we know the approximate dates Waltz operated his mine. If his mine WAS the Pit Mine, there is no way he would not have been seen by the many other miners that were known to have been in the area.

You can also read John Reed's Letter to Adolph Ruth. Its posted on Garry's Website. It talks about his father finding Mexicans working a mine North of Weavers Needle and South of the Salt River. They told him where to find another rich ledge of gold further East. He specifically mentions Rogers Canyon and Rough Canyon.

Mike

 

[Colt1911]

Thanks Mike!

 

[Matthew Roberts]

Nothing right now.

I will say that some people have made that inference in order to sell books. People tell stories for many reasons. All you have to do is research mining claims in Pinal and Maricopa Counties. The coordinates for the Silver Chief Mine place it on the Pit Mine. Also, we know the approximate dates Waltz operated his mine. If his mine WAS the Pit Mine, there is no way he would not have been seen by the many other miners that were known to have been in the area.

You can also read John Reed's Letter to Adolph Ruth. Its posted on Garry's Website. It talks about his father finding Mexicans working a mine North of Weavers Needle and South of the Salt River. They told him where to find another rich ledge of gold further East. He specifically mentions Rogers Canyon and Rough Canyon.

Hello Mike

Mike,

I was recently at the Arizona Archives (Rosenbaum Building in Phoenix) with Greg Davis and had the opportunity to go through the Maricopa County Mining Claims Record Book beginning in 1871.

I copied down the James Rogers 1875 Silver Chief claim. Rogers was the locator and a co-filer on the claim with Charles Flemming and Charles Ciselak.
The Silver Chief claim was filed as an original location, not a relocation claim. Rogers did all the original discovery work himself for the claim. Rogers, Flemming and Ciselak filed several other locations immediately thereafter.
Within months the surrounding area was covered with some 40 other location claims.
I also found that in 1957, Quentin Ted Cox filed a relocation on the original Silver Chief Claim. He named his relocation the Ridge Pit Mine.

Best,

Matthew

 

[Matthew Roberts]

Nothing right now.

I will say that some people have made that inference in order to sell books. People tell stories for many reasons. All you have to do is research mining claims in Pinal and Maricopa Counties. The coordinates for the Silver Chief Mine place it on the Pit Mine. Also, we know the approximate dates Waltz operated his mine. If his mine WAS the Pit Mine, there is no way he would not have been seen by the many other miners that were known to have been in the area.

You can also read John Reed's Letter to Adolph Ruth. Its posted on Garry's Website. It talks about his father finding Mexicans working a mine North of Weavers Needle and South of the Salt River. They told him where to find another rich ledge of gold further East. He specifically mentions Rogers Canyon and Rough Canyon.

Mike

Mike,

I was recently at the Arizona Archives (Rosenbaum Building in Phoenix) with Greg Davis and had the opportunity to go through the County Mining Claims Record Book beginning in 1871.

I copied down the James Rogers 1875 Silver Chief claim. Rogers was the locator and a co-filer on the claim with Charles Flemming and Charles Ciselak.
The Silver Chief claim was filed as an original location, not a relocation claim. Rogers did all the original discovery work himself for the claim. Rogers, Flemming and Ciselak filed several other locations immediately thereafter.
Within months the surrounding area was covered with some 40 other location claims.
I also found that in 1957, Quentin Ted Cox filed a relocation on the original Silver Chief Claim. He named his relocation the Ridge Pit Mine.

Best,

Matthew

 

[gollum]

Mike,

I was recently at the Arizona Archives (Rosenbaum Building in Phoenix) with Greg Davis and had the opportunity to go through the County Mining Claims Record Book beginning in 1871.

I copied down the James Rogers 1875 Silver Chief claim. Rogers was the locator and a co-filer on the claim with Charles Flemming and Charles Ciselak.
The Silver Chief claim was filed as an original location, not a relocation claim. Rogers did all the original discovery work himself for the claim. Rogers, Flemming and Ciselak filed several other locations immediately thereafter.
Within months the surrounding area was covered with some 40 other location claims.
I also found that in 1957, Quentin Ted Cox filed a relocation on the original Silver Chief Claim. He named his relocation the Ridge Pit Mine.

Best,

Matthew

Great info.

Thanks

 

[SPARTANOC]

You have to SCUBA to the mine entrance now, as Apache Lake covered it. Once inside, there is an elevated adit off the main shaft, where this photo was taken.

Terry

I don't believe the area you are referring to, is the LDM. Might have been a mine in general - but there isn't anything you've stated that would elude to any degree - of it being the LDM. What clues or historical evidence do you have, to support such a claim?

-SpartanOC

 

[Terry Soloman]

Terry

I don't believe the area you are referring to, is the LDM. Might have been a mine in general - but there isn't anything you've stated that would elude to any degree - of it being the LDM. What clues or historical evidence do you have, to support such a claim?

-SpartanOC

In my never humble opinion, the "historical" evidence is rubbish, pure imagination and conjecture. The Mammoth Mine is the "Lost Dutchman" mine. The museum in Apache Junction is a cute little tourist trap, but that's it. Peralta Stones? Seriously? C'mon folks. Authors and storytellers, guides and outfitters have mined the elephants right down to their very tusks. Get up to the Bradshaw's, or down south of Tucson, and stop wasting time in the Superstition Mountains.

 

[SPARTANOC]

In my never humble opinion, the "historical" evidence is rubbish, pure imagination and conjecture. The Mammoth Mine is the "Lost Dutchman" mine. The museum in Apache Junction is a cute little tourist trap, but that's it. Peralta Stones? Seriously? C'mon folks. Authors and storytellers, guides and outfitters have mined the elephants right down to their very tusks. Get up to the Bradshaw's, or down south of Tucson, and stop wasting time in the Superstition Mountains.

Terry Soloman

That would be easy to say - if people hadn't found anything out there, but in a honest position, they have. The Mammoth mine has really never been proven definitively that it was the LDM. Absolutely no evidence other than the 'purity' of said gold found in the Mammoth. The specimens that came from that mine did not match the gold under Waltz bed exactly. So, to say definitively that IT IS the LDM is a guess at best.

There is a Hunter here - that used Jacob's clues and only his clues - and found an area that appears to have 2 cache(s) and a filled in mine (or what appears to be a mine). He DID NOT dig up anything trying to respect the "Rules" out there. He's pretty confident in his find and ran the details for me to sift through and it looks very promising. Neither him or myself can say without a doubt that its the LDM, but since the clues all match and that it lead him to that particular location; I would say, he's onto something. This area doesn't seem to have much history of being searched, but the distant surrounding area has, to some capacity.

As for the Peralta Stones - I'm personally NOT a fan nor do I think they're legit. They may lead to something if decoded correctly, but I have many doubts about them. I'm in the camp of the idea that using basic clues and to not deviate from those clues, is best when searching for the LDM. Over the years (and there are many as you know), the story has been built upon time and time again - making things extremely difficult in getting the story straight. You always have to go to the closest source and never deviate from said details of the original statements made about the LDM.

I am curious though, as to why you are so sure of your position. I'm always open to others opinions and experiences.

-SpartanOC

 

[josh711]

Terry Soloman

That would be easy to say - if people hadn't found anything out there, but in a honest position, they have. The Mammoth mine has really never been proven definitively that it was the LDM. Absolutely no evidence other than the 'purity' of said gold found in the Mammoth. The specimens that came from that mine did not match the gold under Waltz bed exactly. So, to say definitively that IT IS the LDM is a guess at best.

There is a Hunter here - that used Jacob's clues and only his clues - and found an area that appears to have 2 cache(s) and a filled in mine (or what appears to be a mine). He DID NOT dig up anything trying to respect the "Rules" out there. He's pretty confident in his find and ran the details for me to sift through and it looks very promising. Neither him or myself can say without a doubt that its the LDM, but since the clues all match and that it lead him to that particular location; I would say, he's onto something. This area doesn't seem to have much history of being searched, but the distant surrounding area has, to some capacity.

As for the Peralta Stones - I'm personally NOT a fan nor do I think they're legit. They may lead to something if decoded correctly, but I have many doubts about them. I'm in the camp of the idea that using basic clues and to not deviate from those clues, is best when searching for the LDM. Over the years (and there are many as you know), the story has been built upon time and time again - making things extremely difficult in getting the story straight. You always have to go to the closest source and never deviate from said details of the original statements made about the LDM.

I am curious though, as to why you are so sure of your position. I'm always open to others opinions and experiences.

-SpartanOC

Hello

Terry Soloman

That would be easy to say - if people hadn't found anything out there, but in a honest position, they have. The Mammoth mine has really never been proven definitively that it was the LDM. Absolutely no evidence other than the 'purity' of said gold found in the Mammoth. The specimens that came from that mine did not match the gold under Waltz bed exactly. So, to say definitively that IT IS the LDM is a guess at best.

There is a Hunter here - that used Jacob's clues and only his clues - and found an area that appears to have 2 cache(s) and a filled in mine (or what appears to be a mine). He DID NOT dig up anything trying to respect the "Rules" out there. He's pretty confident in his find and ran the details for me to sift through and it looks very promising. Neither him or myself can say without a doubt that its the LDM, but since the clues all match and that it lead him to that particular location; I would say, he's onto something. This area doesn't seem to have much history of being searched, but the distant surrounding area has, to some capacity.

As for the Peralta Stones - I'm personally NOT a fan nor do I think they're legit. They may lead to something if decoded correctly, but I have many doubts about them. I'm in the camp of the idea that using basic clues and to not deviate from those clues, is best when searching for the LDM. Over the years (and there are many as you know), the story has been built upon time and time again - making things extremely difficult in getting the story straight. You always have to go to the closest source and never deviate from said details of the original statements made about the LDM.

I am curious though, as to why you are so sure of your position. I'm always open to others opinions and experiences.

-SpartanOC

Thr peralta stones are already transcripted what is on the stones is what it is on the mountain or trail

 

[Terry Soloman]

As a young man, I hiked and rode most of the Superstation mountain range. Flooded tunnels, abandoned caves, hundreds of gorges and canyons, and broken dreams and hearts scattered throughout. The REAL gold is the books, tourists, and money spent by would be explorers. Educated Jacob Walsh researchers have claimed for years that Walsh stole or highgraded the gold under his bed from the Bradshaw mines and the Vulture mine, where he was a documented worker and transporter. Hey, I could be wrong. Could you?