Legend vs Realitiy

[cyzak]

This is very interesting I can see you are very knowledgeable in this type of navigation do you think you could provide a drawing of example of this type of lay out.I know it is asking a lot but some times a visual lay out of one of these sites really helps to understand how it works. I am not asking for any type of info from this site you have found just one for example.Very rarely will I come across some one who wants to talk about this type of work thank you for your information.

 

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[dredgernaut]

thought this kind of funny . hope you do too BB.
How does a blind bowman see anything , is that like when the blind carpenter picked up his hammer , and Saw?? lol.

 

[Blindbowman]

How big was the triangle you were working with it and is it in number wise of 77, or 133.Was there monuments for your alignment points and can you tell how they were structured in the degrees.

I know what your saying but that sounds a lot like me doing all the work ....lol

 

[Blindbowman]

thought this kind of funny . hope you do too BB.
How does a blind bowman see anything , is that like when the blind carpenter picked up his hammer , and Saw?? lol.

know its like when your one of the best bow hunters in the state and your bow brakes and blinds you for 30 days and it takes you 3 1/2 years to be able to see again . 542 doctor appointments and test ,38 pairs of glasses in 4 years .. and when it is all said and done I will still slowly go blind .. but thanks for reminding me ...lol

 

[cyzak]

Believe me I absolutely have no interest in this treasure you are looking for I only have interest in the triangulation that you are talking about like I said very few will talk about this. Can you tell me how this sign is read.

 

[Blindbowman]

Believe me I absolutely have no interest in this treasure you are looking for I only have interest in the triangulation that you are talking about like I said very few will talk about this.

your correct and there is a good reason for it .. in those times treasure were taken and found by force if need be and many treasures never made it to where they were going , taken and hidden away only to be lost again when someone died with out warning or some one help them reach GOD early... so you for about 800 years there were many treasures lost from war and battles ,now days they key to any good treasure is solving a map or clues left behind but that also comes with they facts . 99% of all treasure maps are BS ...the real skill is reading maps and clues and defining a true time line and any real evidence that a treasure was ever real at all ...they hope to stop others or slow them down .. its foolishness . but some still believe wisdom is the true wealth ..and they are in fact correct ...the rick don't give a inch and the rest of us are left to fend for our self's and hope to work hard and find some lost bread crumbs . few dare to put it on the line and take the risk that are needed to learn the old ways ...its not the easy way ...so a lot of those people that don't want to talk have devoted their life's work to learning these skills ..I will be trying to put together expedition & if not this year next , I don't have a lot of cash to dump into it right now but you never know when things will change ... if and when I do go I will try to PM you and let you know ,maybe you can see it used first hand ...it will shock even the none believers how well it works even in the superstition mountains ...

 

[Blindbowman]

Believe me I absolutely have no interest in this treasure you are looking for I only have interest in the triangulation that you are talking about like I said very few will talk about this.View attachment 1748744Can you tell me how this sign is read.

are you really sure you want me to read that in the open web ...? I can read it easy ,if your not interested in the LDM then why is that directly related to site 4 of the Peralta stones ...? I don't think it is , I know for a fact it is ...I don't like being lie to ...

 

[cyzak]

are you really sure you want me to read that in the open web ...? I can read it easy ,if your not interested in the LDM then why is that directly related to site 4 of the Peralta stones ...? I don't think it is , I know for a fact it is ...I don't like being lie to ...

I had no intention of offending I will regress and end the discussion with you, you now your stuff all I was truly only interested is the land triangulation very few now how to do it and it will probably stay that way.

 

[Blindbowman]

I had no intention of offending I will regress and end the discussion with you, you now your stuff all I was truly only interested is the land triangulation very few now how to do it and it will probably stay that way.

will assume you know this is a second level key ...do you have any idea what it means ...? I already know . I just want to know if you know ... did you get this out of the Spanish mining simples ...?the reason I ask is some of the simples in that book they have no idea what they mean they are just examples ...taken from known treasure markings ...

 

[cyzak]

Yes i know that it is a key and you actually helped me figure it out with out telling got my brain kicked in to gear sometimes that is all I need, I now what it is and what it does and I am here to tell you it just was not used in the deserts of Arizona thank you for your help.You know as well as I do we must be very careful who we associate with on this forum there are good people here but there are bad to good luck with all of your expeditions it seems father time is catching you better hurry.

 

[Oroblanco]

Not to derail the thread topic, but I respectfully disagree about Waltz leaving his mine set up as a sort of death trap. Remember he allegedly bragged that you could drive an Army pack train across his mine without knowing it was there, and also he never gave his closest friends (Julia and Reiney) any kind of warning about the mine itself being rigged up as a trap. If it were you, would you set it up as a deathtrap and then tell your friends how to find the mine without warning them about the trap? It would not make sense. Also that statement about driving a pack train over the mine without seeing it would indicate that he felt confident his covering would certainly support the weight of a 1000 pound pack mule plus a 200 pound load.

I don't doubt that the timbers (ironwood, according to the story) could have become rotten and unsafe however desert ironwood is remarkably resistant to rot. Archaeologists have been amazed at finding ironwood logs in ancient Anasazi structures that are over 1000 years old and still quite sound. IF the logs used to plus the opening of the mine were indeed desert ironwood, there is a very good chance that they are not rotten and would still support considerable weight without breaking.

Please do continue, sorry for the side track there.

 

[azdave35]

Not to derail the thread topic, but I respectfully disagree about Waltz leaving his mine set up as a sort of death trap. Remember he allegedly bragged that you could drive an Army pack train across his mine without knowing it was there, and also he never gave his closest friends (Julia and Reiney) any kind of warning about the mine itself being rigged up as a trap. If it were you, would you set it up as a deathtrap and then tell your friends how to find the mine without warning them about the trap? It would not make sense. Also that statement about driving a pack train over the mine without seeing it would indicate that he felt confident his covering would certainly support the weight of a 1000 pound pack mule plus a 200 pound load.

I don't doubt that the timbers (ironwood, according to the story) could have become rotten and unsafe however desert ironwood is remarkably resistant to rot. Archaeologists have been amazed at finding ironwood logs in ancient Anasazi structures that are over 1000 years old and still quite sound. IF the logs used to plus the opening of the mine were indeed desert ironwood, there is a very good chance that they are not rotten and would still support considerable weight without breaking.

Please do continue, sorry for the side track there.

i agree with roy....why would he booby trap his mine and let julia fall in and die?....simple..he didn't..the holmes clan never mentioned anything about a booby trap either...just another bogus clue

 

[Blindbowman]

you must both be right ,and I am wrong .. some times a person just walks away and you never know why ....

 

[Oroblanco]

you must both be right ,and I am wrong .. some times a person just walks away and you never know why ....

Who has never been wrong? Did you read what I posted or just get offended that I was disagreeing about one single point? (The death trap idea) I could be wrong too - maybe Waltz set up a death trap to kill Julia and Reiney when they went to find the mine, who knows? It doesn't make sense to me but then lots of things don't make much sense these days.

 

[Blindbowman]

Who has never been wrong? Did you read what I posted or just get offended that I was disagreeing about one single point? (The death trap idea) I could be wrong too - maybe Waltz set up a death trap to kill Julia and Reiney when they went to find the mine, who knows? It doesn't make sense to me but then lots of things don't make much sense these days.

lets weigh the evidence . pros : waltz said he killed 3 Peralta to get the mine and shot his own nephew between the eyes to keep it ...cons , he never tells Julia that he will take her to his mine ,he only tells her he has two more caches out there at his camp ... but in this it self is misleading it was not his camp site it was the Peralta's camp site first ...and he dose not tell her to work the mine ... and any way you look at it he never tells her where the mine is or tell her ,she should try to work the mine . that's all on her after Waltz death ...,in fact if we go beyond Julia in the time line of the mine ,the Peralta are working the mine but not camping near it because of the Apache ,and I may not have made it known yet but the stones and the Peralta /Ruth Map both take you to the Peralta camp site ,not the mine ! and yes I am 100% positive of this because if you look where our friend ask about the scale Spanish symbolic . I don't answer him for that reason ..it tells you how to locate the Peralta camp site . it has nothing to do with the mines ...the fact is the Peralta did not pick this camp site at random .. they never pick the camp site at all ...! a few people may come close to braking a Triangulation fix ..almost no one well be able to brake a second level Triangulation fix , I for got who said it . but a man long ago said : :"people that plot these second level Triangulation fixes are not good at a few things ,they are brilliant at almost everything ..."

 

[Blindbowman]

lets weigh the evidence . pros : waltz said he killed 3 Peralta to get the mine and shot his own nephew between the eyes to keep it ...cons , he never tells Julia that he will take her to his mine ,he only tells her he has two more caches out there at his camp ... but in this it self is misleading it was not his camp site it was the Peralta's camp site first ...and he dose not tell her to work the mine ... and any way you look at it he never tells her where the mine is or tell her ,she should try to work the mine . that's all on her after Waltz death ...,in fact if we go beyond Julia in the time line of the mine ,the Peralta are working the mine but not camping near it because of the Apache ,and I may not have made it known yet but the stones and the Peralta /Ruth Map both take you to the Peralta camp site ,not the mine ! and yes I am 100% positive of this because if you look where our friend ask about the scale Spanish symbolic . I don't answer him for that reason ..it tells you how to locate the Peralta camp site . it has nothing to do with the mines ...the fact is the Peralta did not pick this camp site at random .. they never pick the camp site at all ...! a few people may come close to braking a Triangulation fix ..almost no one well be able to brake a second level Triangulation fix , I for got who said it . but a man long ago said : :"people that plot these second level Triangulation fixes are not good at a few things ,they are brilliant at almost everything ..." but what do I know . I can only do all 5 levels ...! I am one of only a few in the world that can fully translate that second level and I could write a few pages trying explain what it mean and how it works ...don't believe me . go ask the best you can find any where ,I want a see what they say ...lol they will tell you the wisdom was lost long ago . but they would wrong ...lol an immortal dose not live by life times ...! tell me what you see Oro . try to read it ...

 

[Blindbowman]

Believe me I absolutely have no interest in this treasure you are looking for I only have interest in the triangulation that you are talking about like I said very few will talk about this.View attachment 1748744Can you tell me how this sign is read.

yes, I can read second level triangulation fixes ..and where the people that put that in their book knew it or not . it is not a Spanish symbolic ,its early old school Portuguese a lost art if you will often called the crazy knot readers ,a advanced variation type from the early Roman string knot plotting... this as far as I know is the first time a person has ever translated a second level triangulation fix on the open Web .... 1.)we start by the over sight ... . !.2.) we see matching numbers running northwest to southeast . 3.) reflect on their size (10 by 10 .) 4.) we set a unit size for the match points .5.) these are two peaks of matching size with a set distance between them,6.) we note the center point between them is marked by the Large Number 4, 7.) we take note of the relationship between the two main land marks ... now called the 10 by 10 .. 8.) we see there relationship between them and the 9 and 11 they a posing units . 9.) we balance the over sight . we now have two large peaks with in a mount range in a line that runs between northwest and south east and has a set unit of mount rage to the west and south west that has a scale of 9 out 10 in relationship to the 10 by 10 , 10.) we see that there is more mountain range northeast to east and it has a value of 11 out of 10 . in relationship to the 10 by 10 ,so there are more mountain above the 10 by 10 then there is below the 10 by 10 line . 11.) we now have a over sight of the area and focus at the center point. 12.) we see a large Number 4 . but is that what I see .. yes and no .. I see a triangle facing the center with 3 matching closed sides facing southeast .13. ) how do I know it is southeast , the large Number 4 is standing straight up ward ..14.)I see a V facing northwest that faces the Triangle and they meet in the center of the line . 15.) I stop at the center point because I meet a value higher then my own . I am two lines and open with two legs to stand on but I can only stand on one leg at the center point so I stop here at the center . 16.) now I re-focus on the center point value given to me a large Number 4..... 17.) I question why I am standing on the 3rd point given but he gives it a value of 4 not 3 .. 18.) I take a new over sight and isolate my large 4 and note there is a small 4 below me to the south .... pointing a arrow in at my location .. I am standing on Heart mountain that has been given the value of a Large 4.. on the center point between Weaver's needle and Miners Needle first picture , 19.) I now look at the values given to be I am between the 10 by 10 and I am a value of 4 x 10 by 10 ..= 80 but the small 4 pointing at me has a arrow pointing at me . so I must subtract 4 from my value .. I now have a value of 76.. ....20 .) the arrow pointed at me and I am the lager 4 and I am 20 times greater then the smaller number 4 , ....21.) we share a common relationship between us we are the lager 4 now standing on the 10 by 10 looking south at the smaller 4, .....22.) we are looking south with a given value of distance in our hand . the value of 76 % of the standard base unit scale . one vara (note this is how I spell it . you may find other spellings of this same word but It is longer then a NM and shorter then a standard modern mile ,often the rule of thumb is to use the modern mile and look for the variation of 30-40 yards difference between the two ... .. 24.) what are looking for ... it tells us directly . in good detail .. we are looking for a quadrangle of smaller peak 20 times smaller then the mountain we are on at a distance of 76 % of mile do south of our center point ... 26.) I welcome you all to the true and one and only Peralta Camp ...here we see the smaller quadrangle of peaks right where we were told they would be ...

 

[Blindbowman]

I would like to take this few minutes , to say good bye ...I realized today when I was riding my 03 Anniversary that I have almost everything I ever wanted in life and I love the people I know I don't have to worry about being shot in the back or being betrayed by my friends for greed ..life is good and all the gold in the LDM is not worth a day of my life ... good luck I wish you all well ... Stay Safe Stay Free !

 

[weekender]

yes, I can read second level triangulation fixes ..and where the people that put that in their book knew it or not . it is not a Spanish symbolic ,its early old school Portuguese a lost art if you will often called the crazy knot readers ,a advanced variation type from the early Roman string knot plotting... this as far as I know is the first time a person has ever translated a second level triangulation fix on the open Web .... 1.)we start by the over sight ... . !.2.) we see matching numbers running northwest to southeast . 3.) reflect on their size (10 by 10 .) 4.) we set a unit size for the match points .5.) these are two peaks of matching size with a set distance between them,6.) we note the center point between them is marked by the Large Number 4, 7.) we take note of the relationship between the two main land marks ... now called the 10 by 10 .. 8.) we see there relationship between them and the 9 and 11 they a posing units . 9.) we balance the over sight . we now have two large peaks with in a mount range in a line that runs between northwest and south east and has a set unit of mount rage to the west and south west that has a scale of 9 out 10 in relationship to the 10 by 10 , 10.) we see that there is more mountain range northeast to east and it has a value of 11 out of 10 . in relationship to the 10 by 10 ,so there are more mountain above the 10 by 10 then there is below the 10 by 10 line . 11.) we now have a over sight of the area and focus at the center point. 12.) we see a large Number 4 . but is that what I see .. yes and no .. I see a triangle facing the center with 3 matching closed sides facing southeast .13. ) how do I know it is southeast , the large Number 4 is standing straight up ward ..14.)I see a V facing northwest that faces the Triangle and they meet in the center of the line . 15.) I stop at the center point because I meet a value higher then my own . I am two lines and open with two legs to stand on but I can only stand on one leg at the center point so I stop here at the center . 16.) now I re-focus on the center point value given to me a large Number 4..... 17.) I question why I am standing on the 3rd point given but he gives it a value of 4 not 3 .. 18.) I take a new over sight and isolate my large 4 and note there is a small 4 below me to the south .... pointing a arrow in at my location .. I am standing on Heart mountain that has been given the value of a Large 4.. on the center point between Weaver's needle and Miners Needle first picture , 19.) I now look at the values given to be I am between the 10 by 10 and I am a value of 4 x 10 by 10 ..= 80 but the small 4 pointing at me has a arrow pointing at me . so I must subtract 4 from my value .. I now have a value of 76.. ....20 .) the arrow pointed at me and I am the lager 4 and I am 20 times greater then the smaller number 4 , ....21.) we share a common relationship between us we are the lager 4 now standing on the 10 by 10 looking south at the smaller 4, .....22.) we are looking south with a given value of distance in our hand . the value of 76 % of the standard base unit scale . one vara (note this is how I spell it . you may find other spellings of this same word but It is longer then a NM and shorter then a standard modern mile ,often the rule of thumb is to use the modern mile and look for the variation of 30-40 yards difference between the two ... .. 24.) what are looking for ... it tells us directly . in good detail .. we are looking for a quadrangle of smaller peak 20 times smaller then the mountain we are on at a distance of 76 % of mile do south of our center point ... 26.) I welcome you all to the true and one and only Peralta Camp ...here we see the smaller quadrangle of peaks right where we were told they would be ...

Thanks for the explanation

 

[cyzak]

yes, I can read second level triangulation fixes ..and where the people that put that in their book knew it or not . it is not a Spanish symbolic ,its early old school Portuguese a lost art if you will often called the crazy knot readers ,a advanced variation type from the early Roman string knot plotting... this as far as I know is the first time a person has ever translated a second level triangulation fix on the open Web .... 1.)we start by the over sight ... . !.2.) we see matching numbers running northwest to southeast . 3.) reflect on their size (10 by 10 .) 4.) we set a unit size for the match points .5.) these are two peaks of matching size with a set distance between them,6.) we note the center point between them is marked by the Large Number 4, 7.) we take note of the relationship between the two main land marks ... now called the 10 by 10 .. 8.) we see there relationship between them and the 9 and 11 they a posing units . 9.) we balance the over sight . we now have two large peaks with in a mount range in a line that runs between northwest and south east and has a set unit of mount rage to the west and south west that has a scale of 9 out 10 in relationship to the 10 by 10 , 10.) we see that there is more mountain range northeast to east and it has a value of 11 out of 10 . in relationship to the 10 by 10 ,so there are more mountain above the 10 by 10 then there is below the 10 by 10 line . 11.) we now have a over sight of the area and focus at the center point. 12.) we see a large Number 4 . but is that what I see .. yes and no .. I see a triangle facing the center with 3 matching closed sides facing southeast .13. ) how do I know it is southeast , the large Number 4 is standing straight up ward ..14.)I see a V facing northwest that faces the Triangle and they meet in the center of the line . 15.) I stop at the center point because I meet a value higher then my own . I am two lines and open with two legs to stand on but I can only stand on one leg at the center point so I stop here at the center . 16.) now I re-focus on the center point value given to me a large Number 4..... 17.) I question why I am standing on the 3rd point given but he gives it a value of 4 not 3 .. 18.) I take a new over sight and isolate my large 4 and note there is a small 4 below me to the south .... pointing a arrow in at my location .. I am standing on Heart mountain that has been given the value of a Large 4.. on the center point between Weaver's needle and Miners Needle first picture , 19.) I now look at the values given to be I am between the 10 by 10 and I am a value of 4 x 10 by 10 ..= 80 but the small 4 pointing at me has a arrow pointing at me . so I must subtract 4 from my value .. I now have a value of 76.. ....20 .) the arrow pointed at me and I am the lager 4 and I am 20 times greater then the smaller number 4 , ....21.) we share a common relationship between us we are the lager 4 now standing on the 10 by 10 looking south at the smaller 4, .....22.) we are looking south with a given value of distance in our hand . the value of 76 % of the standard base unit scale . one vara (note this is how I spell it . you may find other spellings of this same word but It is longer then a NM and shorter then a standard modern mile ,often the rule of thumb is to use the modern mile and look for the variation of 30-40 yards difference between the two ... .. 24.) what are looking for ... it tells us directly . in good detail .. we are looking for a quadrangle of smaller peak 20 times smaller then the mountain we are on at a distance of 76 % of mile do south of our center point ... 26.) I welcome you all to the true and one and only Peralta Camp ...here we see the smaller quadrangle of peaks right where we were told they would be ...