LUE in Arizona proven to be KGC at MOON LAKE presentation

[robertk]

I can assure you the clues I posted are actual clues dug out of the concrete vault in AZ. Somehow I thought some on the forum were ready to learn how the KGC made treasure maps. If you won't accept the truth when you see it, if you are expecting to find treasure you will give up or die first.

I hate to ask a dumb question, but isn't "expecting to find treasure" the whole reason you would want to find "actual clues"? And if the clues don't lead you to a treasure, then how do you even know they are really clues at all?

 

[releventchair]

Reb, I respect mdog's and you opinion too. I repeat there are many thing you just don't know about real successful treasure hunting. I can assure you the clues I posted are actual clues dug out of the concrete vault in AZ. Somehow I thought some on the forum were ready to learn how the KGC made treasure maps. If you won't accept the truth when you see it, if you are expecting to find treasure you will give up or die first. I copied you record on the forum, May 9, 2012, Messages28,369,Reaction score100,492, that leads me to think you get all your information here. It leaves little time for real treasure work. I said before and say again I won't argue with anyone over what I say. Its you loss not mine.
Other who are on the forum are laughing at your childish post
HBBB

Are you insinuating you breeched a LEU vault and possess any treasure?
Post up some vault pics then..
Any legitimately documentation since breeching a vault that have been properly notarized as well.

Otherwise it's just more "big fish" stories. And just another poster full of prunes pretending they're some successful LUE related finder.

Open mind. Ya ; someone's is open.

 

[releventchair]

Making youtube videos detracts from treasure hunting time don't it?
But but but.
A guy has to do something for money!

 

[releventchair]

 

[releventchair]

 

[oldtimetreasurelore]

releventchair​

why is disagreeing with anyone and insult? My reply was not nasty like your one to me. You should think twice before going off on a tangent about what I know vs you, Since I've not seen you post on this topic before I assume you are harassing me out of your lack of knowledge about serious and successful treasure work. You have no idea of who I am or what we (my team) and I have done in the past 45 years. The time is nearing when full disclosure of all our work will be shown. We know how to locate treasure caches without recovering them. If you were wise in the way things work you would know not every treasure can be recovered due to its location and laws in effect there.
You don't dig KGC caches with a shovel, some of the clues were found 33 feet deep. Film at 11......as they say.
I just received a msg since I stared this where someone posted links to some videos, one of my interview for the Moon Lake advertisement. I want you to know, no one paid a dime for that and I spent over 1300 bucks just to attend the meeting in Utah. Even the History and Discovery channels barely paid expenses for me to go and film their shows. So I didn't get my money from being on t.v.

HBBB.

 

[releventchair]

releventchair​

why is disagreeing with anyone and insult? My reply was not nasty like your one to me. You should think twice before going off on a tangent about what I know vs you, Since I've not seen you post on this topic before I assume you are harassing me out of your lack of knowledge about serious and successful treasure work. You have no idea of who I am or what we (my team) and I have done in the past 45 years. The time is nearing when full disclosure of all our work will be shown. We know how to locate treasure caches without recovering them. If you were wise in the way things work you would know not every treasure can be recovered due to its location and laws in effect there.
You don't dig KGC caches with a shovel, some of the clues were found 33 feet deep. Film at 11......as they say.
I just received a msg since I stared this where someone posted links to some videos, one of my interview for the Moon Lake advertisement. I want you to know, no one paid a dime for that and I spent over 1300 bucks just to attend the meeting in Utah. Even the History and Discovery channels barely paid expenses for me to go and film their shows. So I didn't get my money from being on t.v.

HBBB.

??

You insulted mdog.
You could have just kept selling snake oil but no. You had to insult someone who has walked the walk and worn boots and measured and struggled afield and researched a very great deal. And shared his TRUE findings with others.
He provided his sources to me .
The man isn't selling big fish stories ,. Throwing flowers at himself. Blowing his own horn.

When asked for evidence supporting your insults you produced nothing.



In 45 years have you not realized others have peeked in holes too?
You spent 1300 to promote yourself? 13 isn't the best number. Does that add credibility to your claims then? Is it a tax write of for you and or your team? Is it simply part of promoting your videos? Or are you a cautionary tale of foolishly spent treasure?
Since you're boasting spendings ; I dropped just shy of $80,000 in legal fees in the past week.
Took years to get to that point but hey... What did I acquire out of it? Here's a shocker for your "barely" paid expenses (nevermind your subscriptions involved) , I gained more than I spent. Maybe you should be following my wisdom ?


Can you quote the minute beginning at 19:00 here? Take a wild guess at who is narrating it? translate the money solicitation part?



[You have no idea of who I am or what we (my team) and I have done in the past 45 years. The time is nearing when full disclosure of all our work will be shown. We know how to locate treasure caches without recovering them. If you were wise in the way things work you would know not every treasure can be recovered due to its location and laws in effect there.
You don't dig KGC caches with a shovel, some of the clues were found 33 feet deep. Film at 11......as they say.]

Ya Saints are coming back for a big parade again soon too. Let's all wait.

I have no idea who you are? Keep telling yourself that if it helps your argument.
You have any idea who was mentoring me over 50 years ago? Obviously no. Let alone how ground was accessed. "laws and locations apply" didn't mean no access. Still doesn't.

"Location and laws in effect". Oh boy! Now we're getting down to the nitty gritty.
Because you are limited in scope: everyone else is too? I'll disagree with that all day.
A stymied or proven not tangible (I'll spare you that "real" being a quality should apply , as you have videos to make) lead isn't worth pursuing and dwelling on in an attempt to suggest you are in the location of treasure. No more than insisting oil or water exists underfoot but no tangible proof exists.
Oh there's people that might believe you and subscribe. Good for you. Barnum made money too.

Next a guy in a robe and sandals everyone has been waiting on will be tangled up with the T.S.A. and delayed indefinitely too. Probably holding the bag with your not to be revealed evidence in it until ..Well it's forthcoming.

" The time is nearing when full disclosure of all our work will be shown. We know how to locate treasure caches without recovering them. If you were wise in the way things work"
Do you have any idea how un-original this kind of crap is?
Reads like a lot of the Beale claims here.
Bout due for another claim of a cipher broken or hole peeked in and all will be revealed ; after the guy stuck in T.S.A. line finds his other sandal.
Or Oak island. Stay tuned!

Worst part is . original fact is so perverted after everyone has to make a profit (or try to) pretending they have an original thought or fact on a matter it just muddies up the original potential lead.

But hey if it's unprovable let's run with it! Selling maps and big fish stories is where it's really at.
Who proved that and when? If I had a dollar for each claim of such (despite no fact behind any of it) .I'd be doing what you're doing.
Sure . It beats shovel work. Or having to prove facts.
It's not my fault the treasure can't be proven. Seen. Touched. Photographed. Reproduced in likeness. Referred to in the present term.
Spoken of in any possessive suggestion.
Revealed in location. Despite being un accessible and defended by a mysterious force field in an area no trespass is allowed.

Hey we're going to let everyone know when Dent's run gold theft by the government facts are released from the government.... Not quite yet though.
Ect. and ad nauseum excuses as old as selling maps and or interpretation's thereof.
Speaking of which.
Ever heard of the LEU Map?
My cohorts and I are perched on the precipice of breaking the whole thing wide open. Not quite yet though. Soon!
We could provide some reference materials and secrets for a small fee. Or just subscribe to our vids. Or both!

 

[Puff the Tragic Wagon]

??

You insulted mdog.
You could have just kept selling snake oil but no. You had to insult someone who has walked the walk and worn boots and measured and struggled afield and researched a very great deal. And shared his TRUE findings with others.
He provided his sources to me .
The man isn't selling big fish stories ,. Throwing flowers at himself. Blowing his own horn.

When asked for evidence supporting your insults you produced nothing.



In 45 years have you not realized others have peeked in holes too?
You spent 1300 to promote yourself? 13 isn't the best number. Does that add credibility to your claims then? Is it a tax write of for you and or your team? Id=s it simply part of promoting your videos? Or are you a cautionary tale of foolishly spent treasure?
Since you're boasting spendings ; I dropped just shy of $80,000 in legal fees in the past week.
Took years to get to that point but hey... What did I acquire out of it? Here's a shocker for your "barely" paid expenses (nevermind your subscriptions involved) , I gained more than I spent. Maybe you should following my wisdom ?


Can you quote the minute beginning at 19:00 here? Take a wild guess at who is narrating it? translate the money solicitation part?



[You have no idea of who I am or what we (my team) and I have done in the past 45 years. The time is nearing when full disclosure of all our work will be shown. We know how to locate treasure caches without recovering them. If you were wise in the way things work you would know not every treasure can be recovered due to its location and laws in effect there.
You don't dig KGC caches with a shovel, some of the clues were found 33 feet deep. Film at 11......as they say.]

Ya Saints are coming back for a big parade again soon too. Let's all wait.

I have no idea who you are? Keep telling yourself that if it helps your argument.
You have any idea who was mentoring me over 50 years ago? Obviously no. Let alone how ground was accessed. "laws and locations apply" didn't mean no access. Still doesn't.

"Location and laws in effect". Oh boy! Now we're getting down to the nitty gritty.
Because you are limited in scope: everyone else is too? I'll disagree with that all day.
A stymied or proven not tangible (I'll spare you that "real" being a quality should apply , as you have videos to make) lead isn't worth pursuing and dwelling on in an attempt to suggest you are in the location of treasure. No more than insisting oil or water exists underfoot but no tangible proof exists.
Oh there's people that might believe you and subscribe. Good for you. Barnum made money too.

Next a guy in a robe and sandals everyone has been waiting on will be tangled up with the T.S.A. and delayed indefinitely too. Probably holding the bag with your not to be revealed evidence in it until ..Well it's forthcoming.

" The time is nearing when full disclosure of all our work will be shown. We know how to locate treasure caches without recovering them. If you were wise in the way things work"
Do you have any idea how un-original this kind of crap is?
Reads like a lot of the Beale claims here.
Bout due for another claim of a cipher broken or hole peeked in and all will be revealed ; after the guy stuck in T.S.A. line finds his other sandal.
Or Oak island. Stay tuned!

Worst part is . original fact is so perverted after everyone has to make a profit (or try to) pretending they have an original thought or fact on a matter it just muddies up the original potential lead.

But hey if it's unprovable let's run with it! Selling maps and big fish stories is where it's really at.
Who proved that and when? If I had a dollar for each claim of such (despite no fact behind any of it) .I'd be doing what you're doing.
Sure . It beats shovel work. Or having to prove facts.
It's not my fault the treasure can't be proven. Seen. Touched. Photographed. Reproduced in likeness. Referred to in the present term.
Spoken of in any possessive suggestion.
Revealed in location. Despite being un accessible and defended by a mysterious force field in an area no trespass is allowed.

Hey we're going to let everyone know when Dent's run gold theft by the government facts are released from the government.... Not quite yet though.
Ect. and ad nauseum excuses as old as selling maps and or interpretation's thereof.
Speaking of which.
Ever heard of the LEU Map?
My cohorts and I are perched on the precipice of breaking the whole thing wide open. Not quite yet though. Soon!
We could provide some reference materials and secrets for a small fee. Or just subscribe to our vids. Or both!

You took the words right out of my mouth, all 26,000 of them.

You had me at … “We know how to locate treasure caches without recovering them.”

☕️😂

 

[releventchair]

You took the words right out of my mouth, all 26,000 of them.

You had me at … “We know how to locate treasure caches without recovering them.”

☕️😂

 

[Carl-NC]

But a closed mind shows ignorance

I could say the same thing about accepting hoaxes and fables as being real. As Carl Sagan said, "It pays to keep an open mind, but not so open your brains fall out."

Perhaps when we offer more proof you will be a believer too.

That's exactly what I'm waiting for. With Lue, KGC, Beale, Oak Island, Lost Dutchman, Victorio, Yamashita, dowsing, long range locators, auras... holy smokes, it's a long list. And that's really the rub, isn't it? After decades (sometimes centuries) no one ever actually finds anything. They just write books.

Bob, I gotta thank you for helping to steer me in the skeptical direction. Around 25 years ago I attended your presentation at one of the Texas Treasure Shows, I recall it was on the KGC. At the same show there was a hustler selling long range locators. After your presentation, and my interaction with the LRL hustler, I came away with the realization that the treasure hunting community has a pretty large share of gullibillies. I continue to see that in some of these forums, and I'm absolutely fascinated by the psychology of it all. People who accept baseless fables as fact and then grossly misinterpret evidence to support those fables. The see what they want to see, and no amount of failure can convince them otherwise.

 

[sdcfia]

. . . if the clues don't lead you to a treasure, then how do you even know they are really clues at all?

You don't. Sometimes clues aren't clues at all - you just hope they are. Sometimes they're real clues and they just lead you in circles.

 

[oldtimetreasurelore]

I could say the same thing about accepting hoaxes and fables as being real. As Carl Sagan said, "It pays to keep an open mind, but not so open your brains fall out."


That's exactly what I'm waiting for. With Lue, KGC, Beale, Oak Island, Lost Dutchman, Victorio, Yamashita, dowsing, long range locators, auras... holy smokes, it's a long list. And that's really the rub, isn't it? After decades (sometimes centuries) no one ever actually finds anything. They just write books.

Bob, I gotta thank you for helping to steer me in the skeptical direction. Around 25 years ago I attended your presentation at one of the Texas Treasure Shows, I recall it was on the KGC. At the same show there was a hustler selling long range locators. After your presentation, and my interaction with the LRL hustler, I came away with the realization that the treasure hunting community has a pretty large share of gullibillies. I continue to see that in some of these forums, and I'm absolutely fascinated by the psychology of it all. People who accept baseless fables as fact and then grossly misinterpret evidence to support those fables. The see what they want to see, and no amount of failure can convince them otherwise.

To those of you sending private msg you can continue to do so and I will help you as I find time. There will be no further posts from me here. Some here are deadheads who think they know all. Keep those in mind and someday you can see how little they know for being on a treasure forum. It's aways just a few who have to make asses of themselves. I don't have time left to prove anything to the idiots. Keep an eye on YouTube, the proof will appear there if I live a little longer.
HBBB

 

[ConceptualizedNetherlandr]

Allrighty then

 

[creskol]

To those of you sending private msg you can continue to do so and I will help you as I find time. There will be no further posts from me here. Some here are deadheads who think they know all. Keep those in mind and someday you can see how little they know for being on a treasure forum. It's aways just a few who have to make asses of themselves. I don't have time left to prove anything to the idiots. Keep an eye on YouTube, the proof will appear there if I live a little longer.
HBBB

Not knowing anything at all about the topic, I have enjoyed following this thread. Quite interesting.

 

[Mattock]

To those of you sending private msg you can continue to do so and I will help you as I find time. There will be no further posts from me here. Some here are deadheads who think they know all. Keep those in mind and someday you can see how little they know for being on a treasure forum. It's aways just a few who have to make asses of themselves. I don't have time left to prove anything to the idiots. Keep an eye on YouTube, the proof will appear there if I live a little longer.
HBBB

HBBB I want to personally thank you for your contributions to the real treasure hunting community that is on here small that it be .You have provided a vast sum of knowledge with your experiences searching for treasures thru out the years. It is unfortunate with all the years you have under your belt that more respect is not considered. There is a small community here on the forum that do believe in the search you have experienced and will talk about. I have been asked quite a few times what ever happened to the real treasure hunters that use to post on this forum will it don't take a rocket scientist to figure that one out.Also HBBB do answer those personal pm that are being sent there are a few good folks on here.