Minelab Explorer 2 vs Tesoro Tejon - air test

[LuckyLarry]

I've always liked this one, it answers a lot of questions about price vs performance:

 

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[Tom_in_CA]

Oh c'mon, let's get serious. Look at the opening moments of the video. Look closely at the sensitivity setting of the Exp. II: the cursor is going around the #, meaning the guy was in auto mode! By doing that, he'll cut his depth. Also notice the placement of the coil is where the "line" is sideways. Ie.: the machine is lying on its side. And as you know, the Exp. II detects in a double-D fashion, so I'm not sure if the guy's targets were going across in the way you'd be sweeping in the field.

And when it comes to the seeming 2x-the-amount-of depth on the Vaquero, well LOTS of machines can be made in air test to do dazzling things like that. For example: you could have done such an air test with a Fisher 1266, to show astounding depths to knock-the-pants off that Exp. II. HOWEVER, in the field will be an entirely different matter. You would soon learn that the depth is only replicated in clean white sand. The moment you add any minerals and moisture, kiss that depth goodbye. And kiss target ID beyond the first 6" goodbye, etc..... So too might it be with that Vaquero: Great in an air test, but how good will it be in the field, in actual field conditions? What if someone needs good TID's ? (typical of turf hunters angling for deep silver)

 

[LuckyLarry]

Tom, c'mon, why get emotionally involved? All it is is an air test, and as you and I already know, the soil plays a bigger part more than many other factors. I own more than 25 detectors right now and worked in design and the manufacturing of thousands of them, and in mine and most other soils I've hunted in, the Explorer II falls behind the Sovereigns for depth, and we both know why too. The Expl 2 is more of a slow-moving, slow to react, slow to re-tune machine compared to the Tejon, and you and I both know that too. And we both know that it is why the Tejon is more respected as a relic machine in the S and SE USA where the soil is less Fe contaminated. Here is my soil none of the above work well, the soil is by and large too much for either of them. It doesn't really matter so much that one person uses one a bit differently than someone else anyway, especially here in this video. What matters in the video is to show which has the most radiated raw power, and the Tejon is so high gain that it and a Fisher 1270 and various Teep Techs almost hyper-ventilate from increased power. We old goats already know that, and that's what the video (it's not mine) is showing, that the Tejon clearly produces more power, higher gain. You and I discussing this any differently is akin to the preacher preaching to the choir as a waste of time, because the choir is already there and doesn't need any preaching, they already know the drill and believe it.. Peace Tom

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

LL, nothing changes, you have been bashing Minelab as long as I have been on TN......

Everyone knows FBS detectors do no air test well, where FBS detectors shine is in their performance in the ground....






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I would rather die standing on my two feet defending our Constitution than live a lifetime on my knees......

 

[LuckyLarry]

TH, I don't bash Minelabs, I tell the truth. In fact the Minelabs I do appreciate are the Sovereign Elite, the Sovereign GT, the Excalibur, and the GPX5000. I'm just not happy with the Explorers and the Eureka, and the CTX-3030 was a disappointment to me too. (If) all of them worked well I would buy one, but not all Minelabs do work well, and that's why I see lots of them (and Whites) in pawn shops so often, especially the Eurekas.. I did like the Sovereign Elite Pro the best, but My cz outdid it on salt beaches so I had to let it go.. Notice to the left that I claim to like 4 different Minelabs, and I still do.. I'm not very impressed with Whites lately though, and I live right down the street from where they are made..

 

[Tom_in_CA]

L-larry, sorry, didn't mean to come across "emotionally" , haha. I guess I see newbies see such things and .... wow, who can argue with that? But lo & behold, as you know, in-the-field is a totally separate thing. Yes, those type machines have their place. And yes, there's probably some type terrain where that would come in handy. The dry sand on the beach (where TID isn't as important, and depth is, and minerals are not a factor). And perhaps at some land sites in certain states (relicky needs).

 

[Terry Soloman]

Amusing..

 

[LuckyLarry]

It's all good Tom, we are both a couple of old detector warriors, that's all. My history goes back to 1972 when I built my first one, and it worked just as well as the Whites I bought just a couple of months after that.

Terry, I sent a couple of people your way who were thinking about a Tesoro..

 

[Muddyhandz]

For example: you could have done such an air test with a Fisher 1266, to show astounding depths to knock-the-pants off that Exp. II. HOWEVER, in the field will be an entirely different matter.

Oh ya! In the field the old fisher will slaughter that minelab!

 

[dirtscratcher]

One of the funniest threads in a long time.

 

[Tom_in_CA]

sure

Oh ya! In the field the old fisher will slaughter that minelab!

Sure, perhaps in the middle of the sahara desert, which is like detecting through thin air. But the minute you need any type of TID or ID-at-depth ..... no.

 

[Iron Patch]

I've owned both of those. An explorer since 2000 and a Tejon for two hunts in there somewhere. The Tejon moved on, probably to someone who put it to much better use airtesting than I ever would have,

 

[liftloop]

you will pass over good targets with a tesoro when you discriminate
but on a metered machine you have an option to still dig even when you discriminate

liftloop

 

[Terry Soloman]

you will pass over good targets with a tesoro when you discriminate but on a metered machine you have an option to still dig even when you discriminate liftloop

Too funny! I've been using Tesoro and Minelab machines for many years, and I think your conclusion is an ill informed opinion. This all comes down to a "Ford vs Chevy" fight. Hobbyists that need or enjoy meters and digital readouts will always swear by them. Hunters like me just dig all solid hits that we don't discriminate out because we know meters and digital readouts lie like a rug.

 

[liftloop]

tery are you still blowing smoke up every one arss still
you mean to tell me that if you turn your discretion up all the way with a tesoro you will dig a nickle
i can with my mxt

 

[Terry Soloman]

tery are you still blowing smoke up every one arss still you mean to tell me that if you turn your discretion up all the way with a tesoro you will dig a nickle i can with my mxt

U 2 funnie Liftloop! Why would ANYONE turn the discrimination up to Max if they were trying to find a nickel? Tesoro users know how to use their machines to get the best results for the targets they are trying to find. I'll take my Vaquero over your magic MXT every time.

 

[liftloop]

in your dream
but if you want
the test will go like this
you have to find a nickle in full discretion the winner get the other mans machine

 

[liftloop]

in full discrimination with my mxt
I find nickles all the time
with out one beep

 

[dirtscratcher]

I will admit I fell for a test like this one when I bought my vaquero. What I did not realize was that it made the same tone over and over and over again just like the tejon. Then I got a explorer you can say the tid will lie, but after time it is way more accurate than thumbing a knob. Not trying to upset anyone just giving a heads up to anyone thinking of buying a new detector. If the tejon is a little deeper than the vaquero that would put it right with the explorer detecting targets in the ground, which is where I find them.

 

[Keppy]

in full discrimination with my mxt I find nickles all the time with out one beep

I did like that liftloop … That is funny how did you know were to dig with out one beeb …I know XRAY detector..