Must be some Dredgers up Stream.....???

[russau]

well maybe a good idea if your going to work the dry washs, wear your water wings at all times!

 

[pippinwhitepaws]

Yup you can hear them coming...Had a friend that had an old milk truck as his clean up shop out behind Black Canyon City in Az, when a flash flood came through and took that truck 2 miles down stream, and it was flatter than a pancake.

i was caught out in the middle of the agua fria at gillett crossing...bright sunny day...half way across...woooosh...water up to the middle of the door on my heavy half...lucky i had a big load of tools an rock in the bed...made it out of the river on the east side...sat there an shook for a bit...looked for a tree to pee on...whew...
did you know the gold dust twins at rock springs?

 

[Mad Machinist]

This is well worth the $20.00 to post. Will get the video up ASAP.

 

[Hefty1]

did you know the gold dust twins at rock springs?

No I had not been in the store, but heard the sad thing that happened there.

 

[Mad Machinist]

This is well worth the $20.00 to post. Will get the video up ASAP.

Here's the video. River has been like this for almost 6 weeks now. And it isn't from dredgers or OHV's.
San Francisco River damage caused by environmentalism - YouTube

 

[Fullpan]

Great video - while "their policies" are clear to me, i'm not sure the average joe watching will understand. The pressure to stop active logging due to spotted
owl concerns, resulted in overgrowth of timber in the NF and set the stage for uncontrollable wildfires where everybody loses - death of owls, loss of timber
revenue, massive siltation runoff from bare mountain slopes, and die-off of the fish the wackos want to protect. Sooo stupid.

The same thing is happening in calif. The "hands off" policy results in runaway overgrowth of the NFs and its a miracle the forests have survived this season - so far!
There's a clever twist going on in ca. whereby the enviro saviors have started getting state and fed funding to "reduce excessive ladder fuels", something that loggers
used to do at no cost to taxpayers.

Here is just a taste of the enviros plans to take over:

http://www.sierraforestlegacy.org/index.php

 

[Mad Machinist]

The really sad part about all of this (and this really burns me up) is that all of this was know about back in 1956. Look up Recovering Rainfall: More Water for Irrigation, Barr 1956.

The biggest reasons the eco's are starting to do this is the fact that more and more people are waking up to the reality of what is going on. A huge fight is brewing in CA over the Mountain Yellow Legged Frog. Where it has been found the introduced trout are having a devastating effect on these frogs. Our "friends" over at the Sierra Club are responsible for the introduction of the trout.

 

[Fullpan]

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oops - too late as the webinar occurred in April

 

[kuger]

...........it just never ends.....we had a meeting last week about the Yosemite Toad and the Yellow Legged Frog.Anybody could come.....the house was packed.Much with cattle ranchers who are set to lose their Mtn ranges(I dont undestand how they claim the cattle are what are killing the toads,yet there are no cattle in Yosemite....nor is there any YOSEMITE toadsWhats really funny is all of the Tofu eatres here are in an uproar that there was more of us,then there was of them,and they are acting like it was our fault??All across the west the Gov. is kicking sheep and cattle off...pulling leased alotments...now....there was a catastrophic fire around carson City Nevada in 03-or 04.....I was doing predator control work there at the time and had just prior to that lost a huge allotment where sheep grazing(the sheep owners were PAYING the Gov) was banned...by the Gov....after the fire,the Gov. planted Bunchgrass(I think that is what it was)guess what?Now the Gov. is PAYING to have the sheep back to eat the grass because its a fire hazard!!!Its free money to the Gov.....we are being overun and plenty of Libs that are willing to promote more tax's,so the Gov. can continue like spoiled teen ager's,and just like a spoiled teen,if you mention your dismay,you are evil,bad,rascist,pedophile,or any other number of vile things...

 

[kuger]

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Yep,cant dredge,cant trap,cant run my hounds,cant shoot my guns(cant afford ammo)I might as well apply for my free phone,free health care,free food,and go on welfare....just where they want me

 

[Oakview2]

cant shoot my guns(cant afford ammo)

Screw em, reload. One the reason for the shortage is that homeland security and TSA are buying BILLIONS in ammo, as well as armoured vechicles and drones. Who are they planning to go to war with?? The National Guard aand the armed services are in charge of domestic attack and the borders. My thought is that they coming after theire own citizens.

 

[Fullpan]

Hey Oak, - have you tried to check on your stash up there yet?

Boy, from the fire maps, it looks like massive siltation time the first winter rains you get. Hope someone gets videos when it happens.

 

[Fullpan]

The really sad part about all of this (and this really burns me up) is that all of this was know about back in 1956. Look up Recovering Rainfall: More Water for Irrigation, Barr 1956.

The biggest reasons the eco's are starting to do this is the fact that more and more people are waking up to the reality of what is going on. A huge fight is brewing in CA over the Mountain Yellow Legged Frog. Where it has been found the introduced trout are having a devastating effect on these frogs. Our "friends" over at the Sierra Club are responsible for the introduction of the trout.

Yeah, I just became aware of the fact that if logging was allowed to keep up with rate of only "new growth", there would be billions of extra gallons of water. That
makes common sense to me.

 

[Mad Machinist]

You guys with too much time on your hands (like me!) can tune in to a live webinar and watch creeping socialism at work. Just follow the simple instructions
at the bottom:

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oops - too late as the webinar occurred in April

I'm laid up right now. Pretty much tore my left bicep of my forearm. So since the eco like to make my life miserable, I figured I'd use my time wisely and return the favor. Got some more video to put up. I had to wait for the river level to drop, way too dangerous otherwise. Will get it up when edited.

 

[Oakview2]

No access yet,

Here is the latest crock

The Burned Area Emergency Response Team (BAER) for the Aspen Fire is working to complete its assessment and recommendations to lessen immediate hazards to public resources from effects of the fire. The team is led by geologist Alan Gallegos from the Sierra National Forest. The BAER team is made up of specialists from various disciplines; including hydrologist, soil scientists, geologists, road engineers, ecologists, botanists, and archaeologists. Team members have already started assessing the fire area to address potential values at risk related to life and property, water quality and critical plant and wildlife habitat.
Burned Area Emergency Response
The purpose of the BAER assessment is to analyze fire effects on soils and watersheds, determine the potential for negative effects, and consider possible treatment options. The potential threat to life and property are always the number one concern and is the first focus of the burned area assessment. Forest roads including the Stump Springs road are a major concern from flood flows and rocks falling onto the road bed. Other values at risk are Mammoth Pool Reservoir and the hydropower facilities downstream of the fire.
Soil productivity, water quality, and cultural resources are also potential values at risk when wildfire burns through an area followed by large storms, particularly during the first and second year following the Fire. The loss of natural vegetative cover allows water to runoff across bare soils with increased velocity. Fire also induces water repellency of varying degrees, reducing water infiltration, and increasing runoff. The net result under extreme conditions is a loss of soil, a loss of water control, and significant risk of flooding and debris flows downstream of the fire.
BAER treatments such as hill slope mulching maybe recommended. Road storm proofing, storm patrol and culvert cleaning are important. Treatments may also prevent permanent loss of habitat for threatened and endangered species; and the spread of noxious weeds. Interagency coordination is necessary where downstream values at risk occur on private lands.

 

[Fullpan]

What, did all these experts get their degrees from "spin doctor" school? Talk about trying to cover the stink of stupid forest management policy!!

In other words "we have succeeded in reducing timber harvests by 80%, creating poverty in foothill communities". "We now
are spending millions of tax dollars to fix the damage we caused - please don't call us heros - just doin our part to protect the environment".

 

[kuger]

....but....see,in their hippie feeble minds,they see all those positions as "jobs",to "make up for",the thousands of jobs lost from no logging...it all starts with the Hippy burkenstock wearing Professors that have brainwashed our youth

 

[pippinwhitepaws]

....but....see,in their hippie feeble minds,they see all those positions as "jobs",to "make up for",the thousands of jobs lost from no logging...it all starts with the Hippy burkenstock wearing Professors that have brainwashed our youth

wow.

was the hippies that gave us the dust bowl..or has left the southwest still recovering from the over grazing of the 1920...yep...tis all the hippies fault...
none of that lead you sent down range was picked up...so the condors die in mass...how many years have been spent in rebuilding that population,that still dies due to lead poisoning?
Condors and Lead
Overgrazing: More Deadly Than Any Hunter
Cattle and Sheep Grazing on the Colorado Plateau
"By 1912, livestock pressures had penetrated the most remote, timbered and mountainous areas. Theodore Rixon, one of the first foresters in the Southwest, described the situation:


"At the beginning the mountains and heavily timbered areas were used but little, but as the situation grew more acute in the more accessible regions the use of these areas became more general and in course of time conditions within them were more grave than elsewhere... The mountains were denuded of their vegetative cover, forest reproduction was damaged or destroyed, the slopes were seamed with deep erosion gullies, and the water-conserving power of the drainage basins became seriously impaired. Flocks passed each other on the trails, one rushing in to secure what the other had just abandoned as worthless, feed was deliberately wasted to prevent its utilization by others, the ranges were occupied before the snow had left them. Transient sheepmen roamed the country robbing the resident stockmen of forage that was justly theirs." (Source: Roberts, P.H. 1963. Hoof prints on forest ranges. San Antonio, TX: Naylor. 151 p.)"

Dust storms in the 1930s Dust Bowl

I can go on...but you should get the idea.

 

[Aufisher]

Say what?

 

[Alex Burke]

Say what?

Don't worry about it, it seems he copies and pastes a random wikipedia article, blames small time prospectors for large scale mining disasters in other times and places, then leaves, lol. Anyways I loved the flash flood videos thanks for posting.