National Seashore hunting PRIVELEGED FEW

[midas888gold]

Was at Nauset Light Beach (National Seashore) on the Cape yesterday morning.

Saw a guy metal detecting on the beach. I thought the National Seashore was off limits to metal detectors.

I approached the guy, to see what he was finding. As I got closer I noticed he was wearing a NS Ranger uniform. What's up with that? I struck up a conversation, he showed me a couple gold rings and lots of coins. I said I've never seen anyone else with a metal detector on this beach.
He was very talkative and mentioned that he hits the NS beaches every day before work and that he finds a lot because he has the beaches to himself. I asked "what do you mean?" He stated that metal detectors are prohibited from NS property, but because he works for the Park Service, he can hunt the beaches with no problem. and I quote "Which is good for me, more stuff to find"

I left without saying anything and called the NS office. The person I spoke to confirmed what he had said. Metal Detectors are prohibited except by special permission from the park supervisor (to find a lost valuable, etc.), which obviously this park ranger has.

SO, the priveleged few can hunt places that the general public can not!!!!!!!!!!!

I guess I should get a job with the park service!!!!!!!!!

 

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[StogieJim]

What a lot of the sour grapes! Most of us would be doing the same thing if we were in his position. Do your research, search hard, dig deep, and don't begrudge some underpaid MDer a little good fortune.

Jim

 

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[Treasure_Hunter]

Sorry still disagree, just because your a federal or state worker that does not give you special privileges the rest of us do not have...It is our taxes that pays their wages.

If I am a game warden, does that mean I can legally hunt deer out of season, does that mean I can catch more snook then the legal limit allows the rest of us? If I am an officer of the law, does that mean I can leagally speed any time I choose when I am off duty? If I am the mayor of a town and caught driving drunk, does that mean it should be over looked?............

The law is the same for all.....................

 

[ivan salis]

yep one law the same for all ---- or its simply oppresssion but the "upper class" over the rest. our country was founded on the ideal that all men are equal in rights --- many men fought and died promoting that very ideal --- thus in my eyes its the law of the land -- one law for all --if one can we all all can --if not none can.

 

[nudels]

Something to ponder, unfortunate catch 22 to be in.

http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,163330.0.html

How long before state/federal employees are the only ones that can treasure hunt on the nudge-nudge wink-wink principal? What's the harm?

I'd bet they could find a wreck on every mile of the Florida coast that with the swipe of a pen would keep us all out of the water, and possibly off the beach, for good. No to fear, we can watch state/federal employees MD i'm sure. Sell tickets, too, perhaps.

 

[savant365]

Sorry still disagree, just because your a federal or state worker that does not give you special privileges the rest of us do not have...It is our taxes that pays their wages.

If I am a game warden, does that mean I can legally hunt deer out of season, does that mean I can catch more snook then the legal limit allows the rest of us? If I am an officer of the law, does that mean I can leagally speed any time I choose when I am off duty? If I am the mayor of a town and caught driving drunk, does that mean it should be over looked?............

The law is the same for all.....................

Who ever said life was fair...game wardens poach, cops speed and run stop signs, mayors get to drive drunk and get away with it. Does it mean that it should be over looked...of course not, but it happens EVERY DAY! Personally I hope everyone concentrates their efforts on stopping these kind of things from happening instead of worrying about some guy digging a few holes and filling them right back up. APPLES AND ORANGES.


Charlie

 

[nudels]

Sorry still disagree, just because your a federal or state worker that does not give you special privileges the rest of us do not have...It is our taxes that pays their wages.

If I am a game warden, does that mean I can legally hunt deer out of season, does that mean I can catch more snook then the legal limit allows the rest of us? If I am an officer of the law, does that mean I can leagally speed any time I choose when I am off duty? If I am the mayor of a town and caught driving drunk, does that mean it should be over looked?............

The law is the same for all.....................

Who ever said life was fair...game wardens poach, cops speed and run stop signs, mayors get to drive drunk and get away with it. Does it mean that it should be over looked...of course not, but it happens EVERY DAY! Personally I hope everyone concentrates their efforts on stopping these kind of things from happening instead of worrying about some guy digging a few holes and filling them right back up. APPLES AND ORANGES.


Charlie

Charlie,

This things are taken care of in short order, once exposed, but big or small it needs to be taken care of. Selective enforcement of privilege is not what we pay our government to do, especially when it comes to our land. Abuse of position and privilege should be a sore spot for any citizen, I would hope. Yes even if it is digging holes and covering them up. Because if that is all it is, why can't anyone do it then?

 

[ivan salis]

all that is needed for the tyrants to prevail and enslave good men is for those good men to do nothing to stop them ----''' wise words to live by "

 

[savant365]

Sorry still disagree, just because your a federal or state worker that does not give you special privileges the rest of us do not have...It is our taxes that pays their wages.

If I am a game warden, does that mean I can legally hunt deer out of season, does that mean I can catch more snook then the legal limit allows the rest of us? If I am an officer of the law, does that mean I can legally speed any time I choose when I am off duty? If I am the mayor of a town and caught driving drunk, does that mean it should be over looked?............

The law is the same for all.....................

Who ever said life was fair...game wardens poach, cops speed and run stop signs, mayors get to drive drunk and get away with it. Does it mean that it should be over looked...of course not, but it happens EVERY DAY! Personally I hope everyone concentrates their efforts on stopping these kind of things from happening instead of worrying about some guy digging a few holes and filling them right back up. APPLES AND ORANGES.


Charlie

Charlie,

This things are taken care of in short order, once exposed, but big or small it needs to be taken care of. Selective enforcement of privilege is not what we pay our government to do, especially when it comes to our land. Abuse of position and privilege should be a sore spot for any citizen, I would hope. Yes even if it is digging holes and covering them up. Because if that is all it is, why can't anyone do it then?

Nudels, You are absolutely correct. It is NOT OK to break the law. I don't want to get into a long discussion about wrong and right with you but just because there is a law about something doesn't mean it IS right. Maybe we need more guys like this out there so we can get the laws changed.
Wouldn't it be great if what this guy is doing makes it possible for all of us to hunt places that have been deemed "off limits". I just don't think the way to go about it is to take the privilege away from him but to show that what he is doing is fine and causing no harm to any person or to the environment. I don't live anywhere near there and will probably never go there BUT if I do, hopefully by then it will be OK for anyone to metal detect there. On the other hand poaching, speeding, running stop signs and drunk driving will never be OK.
It takes things like this to make changes for the better. I just think it would be better to handle this situation in a positive, productive manner instead of just getting this one guy in trouble. If this guy gets fired, wrote up, reprimanded or whatever...It does absolutely nobody any good.
However, if this guy gets permission to take a buddy or two with him to detect there and the powers that be see that no harm is being done it could change things for everyone. From there it goes to the next beach, park, or wherever and a few more laws get repealed or changed. It would be good for everyone then. Just getting mad at someone for "getting away with something" and bringing attention to it only makes it worse for all of us. You win a small victory but you still end up losing the war.
There are better ways of handling situations like this than getting someone in trouble for getting to do something that everyone wants to do.

all that is needed for the tyrants to prevail and enslave good men is for those good men to do nothing to stop them ----''' wise words to live by "

"You will catch more flies with honey then you will with vinegar" ... more wise words to live by

HH Charlie

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

Who ever said life was fair...game wardens poach, cops speed and run stop signs, mayors get to drive drunk and get away with it. Does it mean that it should be over looked...of course not, but it happens EVERY DAY! Personally I hope everyone concentrates their efforts on stopping these kind of things from happening instead of worrying about some guy digging a few holes and filling them right back up. APPLES AND ORANGES.


Charlie

Sorry Charlie, there are no special privileges for government employees........... You will never get anything changed by hoping a government employee invites a couple buddies along to abuse the law with him.

Has absolutely nothing to do with "life being fair" There is no difference here between a Game Warden pouching, a government employee illigally digging indian artifacts for his private collection and this, abuse of the law by a government employee is still abuse of the law.................No one is above the law, and this holds especially true for a government employee........

 

[ivan salis]

I like most MDers agree that not being able to MD at these parks SUCKS and is well rather unfair in our point of veiw -- other folks get to "do thier thing" at the park -- birdwatchers -- fishermen --- joggers -- picnic -- other sports-- why are we shut out ? --- but so long as stupid laws are in place --dumb or not they ARE the law -- they must be respected until they are changed (or else when caught you will get labeled as a "criminal" not a nice thing to be "labeled" as these days )--- if a law is bad or wrong we the people need to protest to those who make the laws --our elected reps --to get them to change said laws --that way we can all do it legally as we should be able to --without skulking around hoping to get away with some slick attempt at "bending" the rules -- thats my take on it ---fix the real problem --- which is STUPID RULES

 

[SHERMANVILLE ILLINOIS]

Neat. I'm sure it keeps out the riffraff.

Always nice to have a spot of your own.

If you got some pull and could get a set up where
only you can hunt--------all the power to ya.

Seems like they would know who was digging and
not have to worry and patrol for the slob hunters.

As far as reporting someone.............crybabies.

all have a good un......
SHERMANVILLE

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

Sorry Sherm, maybe it's just me, but I have a major problem with government employees having special privileges the rest of us do not.

If it was an employee of a private company having the ability to search a prime, private property location where the rest of us don't, that would not bother me in the least, but for a government employee to have special privilege to hunt a park the rest of us can't; a park that is suppose to belong to all of us as citizens, I have problem with. Either we all have that privilege either through permits or open access or none of us do..................

I don't call that being a "crybaby", that is objecting to abuse of power by a government employee.....Government Employees do not get special privileges to break or abuse the law.................

 

[SHERMANVILLE ILLINOIS]

Sorry Sherm, maybe it's just me, but I have a major problem with government employees having special privileges the rest of us do not.

If it was an employee of a private company having the ability to search a prime, private property location where the rest of us don't, that would not bother me in the least, but for a government employee to have special privilege to hunt a park the rest of us can't; a park that is suppose to belong to all of us as citizens, I have problem with. Either we all have that privilege either through permits or open access or none of us do..................

I don't call that being a "crybaby", that is objecting to abuse of power by a government employee.....Government Employees do not get special privileges to break or abuse the law.................

Glad it's your problem, not mine.

Hate knowing all that gold and silver is just under the surface
and not one person hunting for it.

Hope he finds a bunch.

have a good un.........
SHERMANVILLE

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

[have a good un.........
SHERMANVILLE

No problem and good hunting to you......................

 

[nudels]

Sorry still disagree, just because your a federal or state worker that does not give you special privileges the rest of us do not have...It is our taxes that pays their wages.

If I am a game warden, does that mean I can legally hunt deer out of season, does that mean I can catch more snook then the legal limit allows the rest of us? If I am an officer of the law, does that mean I can legally speed any time I choose when I am off duty? If I am the mayor of a town and caught driving drunk, does that mean it should be over looked?............

The law is the same for all.....................

Who ever said life was fair...game wardens poach, cops speed and run stop signs, mayors get to drive drunk and get away with it. Does it mean that it should be over looked...of course not, but it happens EVERY DAY! Personally I hope everyone concentrates their efforts on stopping these kind of things from happening instead of worrying about some guy digging a few holes and filling them right back up. APPLES AND ORANGES.


Charlie

Charlie,

This things are taken care of in short order, once exposed, but big or small it needs to be taken care of. Selective enforcement of privilege is not what we pay our government to do, especially when it comes to our land. Abuse of position and privilege should be a sore spot for any citizen, I would hope. Yes even if it is digging holes and covering them up. Because if that is all it is, why can't anyone do it then?

Nudels, You are absolutely correct. It is NOT OK to break the law. I don't want to get into a long discussion about wrong and right with you but just because there is a law about something doesn't mean it IS right. Maybe we need more guys like this out there so we can get the laws changed.
Wouldn't it be great if what this guy is doing makes it possible for all of us to hunt places that have been deemed "off limits". I just don't think the way to go about it is to take the privilege away from him but to show that what he is doing is fine and causing no harm to any person or to the environment. I don't live anywhere near there and will probably never go there BUT if I do, hopefully by then it will be OK for anyone to metal detect there. On the other hand poaching, speeding, running stop signs and drunk driving will never be OK.
It takes things like this to make changes for the better. I just think it would be better to handle this situation in a positive, productive manner instead of just getting this one guy in trouble. If this guy gets fired, wrote up, reprimanded or whatever...It does absolutely nobody any good.
However, if this guy gets permission to take a buddy or two with him to detect there and the powers that be see that no harm is being done it could change things for everyone. From there it goes to the next beach, park, or wherever and a few more laws get repealed or changed. It would be good for everyone then. Just getting mad at someone for "getting away with something" and bringing attention to it only makes it worse for all of us. You win a small victory but you still end up losing the war.
There are better ways of handling situations like this than getting someone in trouble for getting to do something that everyone wants to do.

all that is needed for the tyrants to prevail and enslave good men is for those good men to do nothing to stop them ----''' wise words to live by "

"You will catch more flies with honey then you will with vinegar" ... more wise words to live by

HH Charlie

I know in email it's hard to project but i'm not mad and I don't want anyone in trouble, I just think it should stop. There are plenty of ways to approach it, probably the best is to let the park service know about it and ask if anyone else can detect as well, simple as that. However, if the answer is no..... i'd imagine that the NS guy would be told to stop and that would be that. Anything more to be done to punish the guy and i'd go to bat for the NS guy as much as I will go to bat to stop the detecting from happening, if I were involved.

I don't think him bringing a buddy along will help about as much as someone allowing me to fish with him on the space center will open it up to all fisherman, or a ranger poaching with a buddy will result in open season year round.

It's really up to the original poster what they want to do, if anything, as they were the witness to it.

 

[ReidMan]

Well maybe we should just be happy for the guy that does get to hunt, seems unfair, but how many times has someone drove by you hunting your favorite field that only you have permission to hunt? I know I feel left out each time I go looking for a relic spot around Va to see a guy swinging and he tells me it's off limits to everyone else.

No it aint fair but I don't think complaining will get you in, it just might block the guy that can hunt though.

 

[Ray S ECenFL]

It is just a perk of the job. If I were in charge of an area and could give myself permission, I would. Had I seen him I would have asked permission to join him. The only problem would have been not having a detector. The regulations usually state that not only is detecting not allowed, possesion of a detector on the property is banned.

Ed d.

... unless you work there..... then you can detect and be in posession of a detector.

I think the law should be applied equally to everyone. Just a perk of his job? I do not find that breaking the law to be a perk. IMHO

Ray S.

 

[Detectingfreak]

Good for him that he found a beach that he can detect. Kind of sucks that no one else can detect it

 

[dcinffxva]

I have always felt that any one that works for the Goverment is a crook and a cheat they break all the rules they hire all their freinds and relatives and go to work to see how little they can do.................

I know that this is not a timely response, but this poster had an excellent point. I suggest next time you go out, make sure you don't drive on any public streets, they were built by crooks. Make sure you don't drink from any public water fountains, don't let your children attend any public schools, don't call 911 when your house is on fire. Get a bucket, and go to the creek, because the fire hydrants were also installed by crooks and cheats. If you are fortunate enough to hunt an area that was of historic signifigance, if you find bullets, buckles, muskets etc., make sure you return them to their rightful owner (the Federal Govt.).

Seriously, think about how your quality of life would be were it not for Governmental influence.

I disagree with the aspect of some public lands being off-limits to MD's, but completely disagree with your summation of Government employees.

I completely agree that National Battlefields, Cemeteries , other places where US Soldiers fought and died should be held sacred, and not allow those who would profit from them to be disturbed.

Other public lands, IMO should be open to all to enjoy in any way they see fitting that does not disrupt the enjoyment of others, however this incident has no significant difference than any land that permission is granted to a select few.

No one can say that this individual was granted the right to keep all he recovered, or if it was placed in a "lost and found" area. I had the priveledge of hunting a Civil War fort when I was working for the Northern Virginia Regional Park Authority about 28 years ago. EVERYTHING that I found was kept in the park, and placed in their museum. I still got the thrill of hunting it, and recovering the artifacts. I also got the satisfaction of knowing that my recoveries would be seen by thousands of people. and not just a couple.

I've worked for a county government for just shy of the past 25 years, and i'll guarantee you that I am neither a crook or a cheat, and I must say that I resent the implication you made with your statement.

I'll cease my rant now, and hope that you will reconsider making such statements in the future. The vast majority of folks in governmental service have taken these jobs because they have a desire to make the quality of life better for everyone, and not so they can have the special honor of being able to swing a coil where others can't.

DC

 

[XL-PRO PRO]

Treat this guy the way TVA police treat people relic hunting on federal land.Seize his detector,vehicle and then go to his residence and seize all coins,jewelry and anything else that could have possibly been found with a detector!!!!