National Seashore hunting PRIVELEGED FEW

[midas888gold]

Was at Nauset Light Beach (National Seashore) on the Cape yesterday morning.

Saw a guy metal detecting on the beach. I thought the National Seashore was off limits to metal detectors.

I approached the guy, to see what he was finding. As I got closer I noticed he was wearing a NS Ranger uniform. What's up with that? I struck up a conversation, he showed me a couple gold rings and lots of coins. I said I've never seen anyone else with a metal detector on this beach.
He was very talkative and mentioned that he hits the NS beaches every day before work and that he finds a lot because he has the beaches to himself. I asked "what do you mean?" He stated that metal detectors are prohibited from NS property, but because he works for the Park Service, he can hunt the beaches with no problem. and I quote "Which is good for me, more stuff to find"

I left without saying anything and called the NS office. The person I spoke to confirmed what he had said. Metal Detectors are prohibited except by special permission from the park supervisor (to find a lost valuable, etc.), which obviously this park ranger has.

SO, the priveleged few can hunt places that the general public can not!!!!!!!!!!!

I guess I should get a job with the park service!!!!!!!!!

 

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[ivan salis]

I too dislike the abuse of position and the abuse of the "permit" loop hole by the ranger --to line his personal pocket --- he is abusing both his "position" and the legel permit system in place to let honest people attempt to recover "personally lost" items --I am quite sure he knows the "rules" and is just exploting the "loop hole" -- things like that are how the "loop hole" get shut off --and then honest folks who really do want to find their lost wedding ring will not be able too --- now that said --I personally do not like the barring of metal detecting in parks --other folks and their "hobbies" have the doors thrown wide open for them -- but us --nope no metal detecting --I don't like the "second class" treatment we often recieve from "officals" living off our sweat (taxes)--- so if the "ranger" can get a permit and do it anyone should be able to do the same "trick"and hunt as they pleasejust like him --really no one should be hunting there except as legal permitted by "law" --ie you get a "permit" to look for only the said item you lost --all other finds are to be turned into the rangers as "lost and found items" -- thats the real "permit" code --- (which I'm very sure is NOT what the ranger is doing with his "finds")--- I agree the "no detecting " law sucks but reather than "break" it we need to force a change in it so we can all do it legally --- Ivan

 

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[baspinall]

I guess I am the only one that sees this differently. He asked and got permission. Remember that is something that we all have to do to get on to some sites. I also have discovered over the years that anything can get done if you have the right paperwork. In Wisconsin it also is against the law to hunt in a state park, unless you have permission from the ranger there. Just ask!

I agree with jimb. Whats the big deal other than maybe a little greed goin on. This guy is a parks employee for sure but probably just a regular joe like the rest of us. It doesn't sound like he was rude only a little excited to show his finds and overwhelmed to have the whole place to hisself. To any of us this would be a dream come true. I can't believe that talk of gettin him fired. What has he done to anyone except enjoy the same hobby we do. He got his permission through a channel that is probably not available to the rest of us is all. If ya want to detect on that particular beach get a job with the parks. I am just blown away by all the b.s. goin on. Its like bein back in the sand box. Be happy for the guy instead of trying to figure out a way to jump his claim.

JuJu

I have to say I agree with JuJu here. There's a whole big world out there.

Brian

 

[G.I.B.]

So this ranger is walking down the beach with his detector finding, and keeping, rings, clad, and stuff.

You walk up with your detector. He tells you you must leave, metal detecting is not allowed by regular citizens.

You walk away.

He puts his coil to the soil and bends down digging up another item, puts it in his pocket.


How can some of you really say, with a straight face, you see nothing wrong with this?
(unless of course, you are the official doing this sort of thing)

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

Pure abuse of power, the law is the law period and should apply to all equally. Shame you did not get a picture of him detecting with a landmark in the picture to prove where he was, then send a letter requesting permission to detect the same location and include the picture with it.

 

[The Hunter]

Leave it alone. Any one of us here would jump on an opportunity to hunt a place that was typically off limits. He's just taking advantage of one of the perks of his job.

 

[Born2Dtect]

It is just a perk of the job. If I were in charge of an area and could give myself permission, I would. Had I seen him I would have asked permission to join him. The only problem would have been not having a detector. The regulations usually state that not only is detecting not allowed, possesion of a detector on the property is banned.

Ed d.

 

[beachbuzzard]

Hello honey, your not going to believe this. Got arrested,need bail. "For what this time, your just too much!" Posession of an illegal metal detector??

 

[ivan salis]

by banning having a detector on park grounds at all they do not have to catch you in the act of detecting --just having one allows the to "assume" you were using or planning to use it. --- its like having a gun in a no hunting "game perserve "area -- they will say you have a gun --in a no hunting area therefore you MUST have been planning to use it to humt illegally.

in effect their now the "thought police" --ie they claim they KNOW what your going to do BEFORE you do it. ---so they make up a rule since there no metal detecting allowed --you can not have one in your possesion --- what if you where close by detecting and then put it away in your back seat and just wanted to walk on the beach in the park picking up sharks teeth --- busted -!!! they say you MUST BE PLANNING TO BREAK THE LAWsince your on park property and have a detector handy ---whats next I go thru the bank drive thru window in my pick upwith my shotgun in the gun rack and get busted for trying to rob the bank ---well you were "offically" on bank property and you did have a gun handy ---- so you MUST have been planning to rob the bank--- by that form of twisted logic --it works that way.

if I break the law and get caught and arrested thats one thing -- but to "assume" that because I have a metal detector that I going to break the law --is like saying all gun owners are going to illegally shoot somebody because they own guns.

 

[Massbaycolonist]

Was at Nauset Light Beach (National Seashore) on the Cape yesterday morning.

Saw a guy metal detecting on the beach. I thought the National Seashore was off limits to metal detectors.

I approached the guy, to see what he was finding. As I got closer I noticed he was wearing a NS Ranger uniform. What's up with that? I struck up a conversation, he showed me a couple gold rings and lots of coins. I said I've never seen anyone else with a metal detector on this beach.
He was very talkative and mentioned that he hits the NS beaches every day before work and that he finds a lot because he has the beaches to himself. I asked "what do you mean?" He stated that metal detectors are prohibited from NS property, but because he works for the Park Service, he can hunt the beaches with no problem. and I quote "Which is good for me, more stuff to find"

I left without saying anything and called the NS office. The person I spoke to confirmed what he had said. Metal Detectors are prohibited except by special permission from the park supervisor (to find a lost valuable, etc.), which obviously this park ranger has.

SO, the priveleged few can hunt places that the general public can not!!!!!!!!!!!

I guess I should get a job with the park service!!!!!!!!!

You're lucky the government lets you metal detect at all! Anywhere! Take videos of yourself metal detecting, so you can show your grandkids.

 

[BuckleBoy]

Instead of getting upset at the situation, you should've asked him if he wanted to go hunting sometime.

 

[nudels]

Been following this and I have to say, we shouldn't lose sight of what is happening. It's not a perk when someone isn't using a permit or permission to detect the beach as per the law (if he had any in the first place) properly. That land is public land, and the stewards of that land should treat all equally when it comes to fair use. Or have some forgotten it's not the NS rangers land, it belongs to all of us?

He shouldn't be detecting that land and it should stop, or, permits should be given to anyone who asks for it for the same purpose he stated he was using it for, which obviously it wasn't to find his lost ring.

 

[Mark S.]

I agree with the last post. The bottom line is that the area is not private property and under the control of the owner. It is federal property. The law that governs it applies to everyone. There is no "perk" of the job in this case. The law against metal detectors does not say "unless you are a government employee." Can a bank employee take money from the bank because the bank manager gave him permission. NO because it is not his money and the manager has no authority to do so. Being a public employee does not give them the "perk" to break the law. This is an abuse of his position and an abuse of his seniors position and authority. They should not be in those postions. These very acts are the reason that most people are so fed up with the government.

I have heard of this happening in a number of cases over the years. I have always said that I would like to get it on film. I don't care what kind of "normal" guy he is. He is breaking the law. If it were you doing it then you might end up on the evening news or in the paper for your crime. I would get some photos or video and go to the news. Show them the proof and let them take it from there. I would also question my federal representatives as to why public employees are abusing their postions.

 

[SilverDog]

This is National Sea Shore, This man M.Ding obviously has the skill not to harm the sea shells while hunting far beyond the average hunter.

 

[EDDE]

I guess I am the only one that sees this differently. He asked and got permission. Remember that is something that we all have to do to get on to some sites. I also have discovered over the years that anything can get done if you have the right paperwork. In Wisconsin it also is against the law to hunt in a state park, unless you have permission from the ranger there. Just ask!

I agree with jimb. Whats the big deal other than maybe a little greed goin on. This guy is a parks employee for sure but probably just a regular joe like the rest of us. It doesn't sound like he was rude only a little excited to show his finds and overwhelmed to have the whole place to hisself. To any of us this would be a dream come true. I can't believe that talk of gettin him fired. What has he done to anyone except enjoy the same hobby we do. He got his permission through a channel that is probably not available to the rest of us is all. If ya want to detect on that particular beach get a job with the parks. I am just blown away by all the b.s. goin on. Its like bein back in the sand box. Be happy for the guy instead of trying to figure out a way to jump his claim.

JuJu

good point

 

[recoiljunky]

Ratting him out will only at best terminate his privileges, it won't get you the same privileges. Why screw with him when he was obviously upfront about it?

I know it's wrong that the .gov doesn't allow the "common man" access to those beaches, but screwing a fellow MD'er out of his access won't help a thing.

Just my two cents.

 

[ivan salis]

theres really only 3 choices -- now pick one

choice #1 -- obey the law -- and report the abuse of power and postion by the guy and his boss --- the "permit hunt clause" is for folks to hunt for a special lost item ---not for day to day hunting --they are clearly abusing it and their postions to do the hunting --while reporting them will not gain you access --its the "proper thing to do" by the "law" ---which most MDers think sucks by the way .

choice #2 -- break the law -- get a permit just like him and hunt just like he does (getting thick as theives with the guys and becoming one of the "crew" in effect)--if they fail to give you a permit like him -- rat them out in revenge.

choice # 3--- do nothing but whine about how unfair it is.--everything says status quo -- he gets to hunt --you don't

 

[karib2517]

this guy should of at lease said he was looking for something in particular and not rub it in your face like that.

 

[savant365]

Good for this guy. I think he showed a little inginuity and gets to detect somewhere no one else gets to. I tell my kids all the time "life's not fair, get used to it". I also think it would really suck if it was me that had exclusive detecting rights to a place and someone screwed it up for me just because they were jealous.
Wouldn't a better course of action be to make friends with this guy and get invited to hunt with him. If it were me I would see if he wanted to go hunting together sometime at a different location and eventually I might get to hunt at some locations he has access to that I didn't. I love to fish and I meet and talk to other fishermen all the time. I have gotten to go fishing at some great spots that I never could have gotten permission to on my own.

 

[vulcan007]

Ahoy mateys!

"Live and let live" should be the motto that treasura huntars follaw!

It seem thet some people are littla jealous that this guy can "legally" detact this location and most of us can not. I feel goooooood that at lest this fella pirate can git a break in today's ristrected world and hav some fun!

Arrrrrrrghhhhghghhh...

V

 

[HalfSpeed]

I, like most everyone else here would be grinnin and detecting if we could get the permission.