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[Bigdogdad]

Yes,BDD,maybe the sites are not barren,two more feet deeper,or three feet to the left and ten feet down.
"These are the things dreams are made of".
No,I have never found the "BIG ONE",then again I have never searched for the "BIG ONE",but have found a few tiny little ones through historical research,knowing where to look.
The "BIG ONES" are far too many times based on tall tales,local lore,myths,and legends,that fire dreams,but end only in smoke.

I have been searching for multiple "big ones" for many years. I have not found one yet. Maybe I have been very close and maybe not. I have not given up on any of them. I am trying something new this year. I am not going to look for "tiny little ones" but I am going to go after some mason jar size caches. Maybe multiple mason jars in the same hole. I am going to go after stuff that can be dug by hand.

 

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[Bigdogdad]

BDD? I'm not being critical of you, and I'm certainly not telling you how to dig your site. You're an expert. I am not. I'm not even being sceptical of whether your treasure is there or not. I don't know the site, the history, or even what you're looking for. I lack the information to be critical.

My aim here is to provide a bit of insight, to "shake something loose," so to speak. There may be some answers in your own mind that you're not currently conscious of. You're very close to the problem. Your dowsers are very close to the problem. I'm not close to your problem at all. I don't know what you're looking for or where you're looking for it; I only know that you're looking for something within the parameters that you've established on this thread, which are (and should be) rather vague.

I'll trust you on the water table. I haven't been to Florida since the late nineties and I knew nothing about the water table there then, and perhaps less now. I likewise don't know the specifics of your site and again, I don't want to. I am curious as to why the treasure was buried so deeply though. Burying that deeply wasn't really necessary (and was indeed counterproductive) prior to metal detectors and GPR. Again, you're enduring some real trials to get down to it and while the people who buried it may not have had to face quite so much inconvenience, it could not have been too much easier.

I'm not saying that there's nothing there, but I'm saying that it's rather curious, and you may wish to take this into consideration while appraising the site. There may be something that you do, and we do not, that could shed some light on this. Perhaps there was already an existing hole at the time of burial that happened to be rather deep and easy to find, and would have to be covered up? Where would that hole be?

I am far from being an expert. I have learned a lot and have a lot to learn. Yes I am sometimes vague as to the details of what I am looking for and where I am looking. Some sites were made public and I actually published an e-book that has lots of details of my treasure quests. I have a habit of saying too much but I can assure you there is lots left unsaid. For the record I am involved in multiple sites.

Digging a hole is not that hard to do. I have dug way more than I care to remember. I have dug in Virginia, North Carolina, Georgia, Florida, New Jersey, Missouri, and Korea. The soil is different everywhere you go. The hardest dirt was when I tried to dig under a boulder in New Jersey. As hard as it was I had a 6 foot deep hole under it that I could stand up in. I did this in less than a day. Being in the Army as a Combat Engineer I had to dig foxholes. I would have to say that I am somewhat of an expert at digging a hole with a shovel. All this being said I have read many posts since joining Treasurenet where the posters question how and why a treasure might have gotten buried deep in the ground. Give me a little help and time and I could dig a huge hole very deep. I once dug an 8 foot wide by 16 foot deep hole by hand and I actually hit water at 1 foot. I have pictures and videos to prove it.

Yes, water intrusion can be a problem but there are ways now to take care of it and there were ways in the distant past. I just watched the first episode of the new Oak island show. That hole was dug hundreds of years ago and it is at least 200 feet deep. Makes my digs look super easy. The bottom line is anybody that was in charge of burying anything of value whether it is last year or 2000 years ago could find a way to bury it at whatever depth they chose.

Every one of my dozens of dig sites has a different story and background. Some are pirates, some soldiers, private citizens, ranchers, and who knows what else. Maybe they were in a hurry and maybe they had all the time in the world. I think the bigger and more valuable the treasure, the deeper it may be buried.

 

[Dave Rishar]

I had a response for this some time back, but it didn't make it to the forum, and then I had to reinstall Windows, and now I'm back again.

What was there?

 

[Bigdogdad]

I don't know. The property owner made me fill the hole in and I have not gone back. I am going to concentrate my efforts on targets that are not so deep. I may figure a way to dig at the second site on this thread in the near future.

 

[aarthrj3811]

Every one of my dozens of dig sites has a different story and background. Some are pirates, some soldiers, private citizens, ranchers, and who knows what else. Maybe they were in a hurry and maybe they had all the time in the world. I think the bigger and more valuable the treasure, the deeper it may be buried.

You have to remember that the person who did the burying probable did not want anyone to find it...For some reason they never got back to dig it up...Art

 

[Red_desert]

BDD, I think you mentioned getting your wife involved with the dowsing. It might be a good idea to have her practice where targets are shallow and digging to check them is simple. Florida has beaches everywhere, all of them have some gold in the form of lost jewelry. The type of sifter would be important, for fast speedy checking dowsed spots. I prefer a 14" tuff plastic classifier pan (mine is from Garrett"s gravity trap panning set) with a galvanized mesh insert (rabbit cage type) on the pan bottom. A classifier pan you can also tip down the edge or turn sideways working it under a target at the waterline.

 

[aarthrj3811]

Received an invitation to a Indian Gold mine....It is important to me because I am trying to get a archaeological permit from the tribe....We have five reservation in this area....You can’t throw a rock around here without it landing on Indian land.... Art

 

[Red_desert]

From what other Native Americans have told me in the past, you still might need to have an Indian of the tribe with you any time on the land. It's best also to avoid the appearence of any greedy intentions. They all have many centuries old legends which warn them about greed, might something good to be aware of.

Here are a few from the website of MANATAKA AMERICAN INDIAN COUNCIL. I wouldn't believe what environmentalist say about them, there is not even a hint of global warming mentioned in any, but you do find in all the phrase "because of greed" the reason why.

http://www.manataka.org/page235.html