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Stirling N5PIP

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"It will never happen to me" How many times have we said those words? Last night at 10:30pm I was leaving the beach after nighthunting for about an hour. It was dark at that section of the beach because of the sea turtle nesting season. I was leaving the beach and was walking up the driving ramp towards my jeep. Without any warning, I was hit over the head by punks looking to rob an "easy" mark. I went down to the ground and was really "woozy" & seeing stars. Somehow I didn't loose consciousness and was able to start swinging my long handled scoop. I guess that they weren't expecting their victim to fight back so they ran off.
I was able to call 911 on my cellphone and stumble to a local hotel and wait until help arrived. At the hospital the test showed that my injuries are minor (slight concussion and neck strain).
What did I learn? IT CAN HAPPEN TO ME (and YOU). And that I WILL start "carrying" after I get the concealed weapons permit.
 
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I think LITom hit on the head earlier in the thread as far as carying a gun and or what to do in that situation. I have never gone at night on the beach,but if I ever did I wouldn't go alone or take a gun.Guns have a way of going off accidently or being used on you in a struggle. Glad you weren't hurt Stirling. -Safe Hunting
 
Florida was also the first state to offer its citizens a permit to carry a concealed weapon. This is far reaching stuff here and has implications across the nation. Look for a national carry permit within the next decade. Alas, not all jurisdictions are so progressive.
If you live in one of the "People's Democratic States," like CT, MD, DC, CA and others, dont expect such things.

Also, FL (and every other such state that allows permitted carry) requires a course of training to be completed before the permit is issued. One of the things you will be taught is that no gun EVER goes of accidentally on it's own and if properly employed, it isn't even probable that it will be taken away from you. The statute specifies that you have a right to defend yourself and that you must (sic) "reasonably believe it necessary to prevent the commission of a 'forcible felony'."

This means, that you still must prove reason in the events surrounding a shooting. Often it is cut-and-dried. Just as often, it is not.

What will surely sway the tables, however, is vigilante talk and attitudes, "Ramboism", tactics like maiming birdshot rounds or 'warning shots', etc. This is NOT what you are taught in lethal force training and will be recognized as such. Unfortunately, the tables may sway the wrong way if such things are found to be part of YOUR protection regimen.

That is my entire premise up to this point. I do not want anyone to be hurt while detecting, I don't "blame" the victim for getting hurt and I assuredly do not advocate a milquetoast attitude just because I was an English major and know lots of big words.
What I want is my friends and fellow detectorists to adopt common sense, take good charge of their own personal defense and leave Rambo tactics to the movies. Be careful out there.

Now, if I can figure out how to stop getting emails about this topic, I will retire from the field and leave it to you. Peace.
 
Forgot to add...cocked and locked ;D
 
Jeez!
I'm not about to weigh in on the gun/weapon/vigilante justice issues - I'm just here to say that I adore Stirling. He's been one of my favorite people since the day I met him and I know the world would be far worse off if he were not walking the earth among us.
(Glad you're safe, buddy!)
And everyone else: Let's just keep our eyes open and be a bit more careful now that Stirling's misfortune has reminded us of what we should have already known. There are a lot of damned fool opportunists out there and they walk the sand just as readily as the asphalt. Be careful and don't let them have the opportunity to take advantage of you.
Ruth
 
also something i noticed today while hunting.....never turn your abck on your shadow.......if someone approaches you will see THEIR shadow therefore eliminating the element of surprise.....but as stated earlier always try to hunt with a buddy but if you ARE alone be as concience of your surroundings as possible
 
a perfect situation to own a treasure dog. He hunts and guards at the same time. Im more scared of dogs than guns
 
I'm surprised at some of the comments in this thread, kinda smells like commie leftwing horse dung.
I carry a 40cal Kahr concealed while detecting if not beeping in the water, as well as any other time not during work hours.

The funny thing is, and some here it seems may even find this strange, but in all the yrs of owning and carrying firearms not one of them has ever ran off and shot anyone while I was asleep. Heck, none have ever shot anyone while I was awake. Imagine that!

Sorry to hear about your incident Sterling. Get that CCP, you'll be happy that you did.
 
For the record, I have a CCW permit. Sometimes I carry, mostly not. I recommend, and always carry, pepper spray.

But just in case your wondering where them missed bullets or warning shots can go....

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20397508/from/RS.1/

In part it states:

ELK CITY, Okla. - A bullet fired from a police gun range hit a military veteran as he stood outside a car dealership almost a mile away, officials said.

“It felt like someone hit me with a ball bat or like a bird struck me in the side,” said Bill Bolechala, who had served 24 years in the military including a stint in Vietnam without being wounded.

“I was wiping my left side because it kind of hurt, and when I looked down, I had blood all over me,” he said.
 
RevJoel said:
That is the first rule of self defense. Know Thy Surroundings!
I thought it was "win the fight no matter what"..
I never carry any kind of protection, I know that my shovel is good enough for their a$£! :o
Also I am very big and wide shoulders, quite well "built", I rarely come in a fight and if the others have run away. I learned at a young age how to defend myself though experience and throwing around 40-80 kilos is no bigger problem, made it last Saturday... (a man was messing with me)

Man how good your OK.
Here in Sweden gun laws are very restrictive, and even pepper spray requires a licence!

Cheers,
Eu
 
GuyInBack said:
For the record, I have a CCW permit. Sometimes I carry, mostly not. I recommend, and always carry, pepper spray.

But just in case your wondering where them missed bullets or warning shots can go....

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20397508/from/RS.1/

In part it states:

ELK CITY, Okla. - A bullet fired from a police gun range hit a military veteran as he stood outside a car dealership almost a mile away, officials said.

“It felt like someone hit me with a ball bat or like a bird struck me in the side,” said Bill Bolechala, who had served 24 years in the military including a stint in Vietnam without being wounded.

“I was wiping my left side because it kind of hurt, and when I looked down, I had blood all over me,” he said.

I think I found one of those in My yard.
http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,101738.0.html
As long as it not too windy on the beach otherwise you will get the Pepper-spray in your face also!
 
Hey 75_stingray,when someone disagrees with your line of reasoning,you call them a Commie.That's sounds like a Facist to me.This forum is everyone freely expressing their views without being labeled some nasty titles.
 
Also I mostly get out with a freind or two. though never in the evening or night...
 
Common sense would dictate you do not hunt alone at nite, especially in secluded areas. There are bad people out there that will kill you for much less than a nickle. Being on Florida beaches at nite has never been safe.

Having been robbed over 30 years ago at gunpoint and getting shot in the leg taught me a valuable lesson and that was to always protect myself and to always be aware of my surroundings. Hunting treasure will always attract undesirables and it does!

I've had a CWP for nearly 30 years but that doesn't mean that I will always win out in a situation. Use common sense, use the buddy system (just as you learned in scuba divin) carry a big stick or bring your Rottweiler along, its always good to have a good digger with you!

Remember to take another life is one thing, but having to live with it is another!

Jimi D Pirate
 
Im goin to ocean city maryland on monday until saturday..and im plannin on some later at night hunting if i have to. this will be my 5th year going and i never had a problem like that. I mean im a teen myself at 17 and a pretty big kid at that. I know if someone tries to mess with me im not goin down with out a fight.
 
dahut said:
Man you guys are scary and I’m worried about you. That sort of talk:

"Ill blast anyone who tries it with me."

"I'll carry a gun anywhere I want and I don’t care who see's it."

…Sounds good, but it is nutso, pure vigilantism. Hasn’t anyone ever heard that Discretion is the better part of Valor? I know you are angered by this sort of thing to one of our own. But, having a gun so you can shoot bad guys will get you more than you bargain for. Shoot a bad guy in some jurisdictions and that kind talk will have the DA down YOUR throat like fire.
Like it or not, this is a litigious society and if you fire your weapon you will be scrutinized. Hard. It happens to cops, it will happen to any citizen who uses a gun on a perp.

And don’t think pious arguments about “lawful use,” “peaceful pursuits,” or being “on the side of right” will make much difference. You will at least be examined and most likely end up in court. Not fun. Make it out on a justifiable, and you likely face civil suit. Most people love to say: “Better to be judged by 12 instead of carried by 6!” If that sounds like you, think twice. Let that get out in public, like on a forum, and you just made your DA’s case.

I’m VERY glad Sterling is alright and I’m sure he has much to think about. But please be careful, all of you, both in what you do and what advice you dispense.

Instead, keep your clam shut and go about your business in silence. Do what needs to be done, but keep it to yourself - and quit telling your own self such bravado crap. You gotta know when to hold em, and when to fold ‘em…. Kenny Rogers got it right. One person here made some good sense and you all might want to listen to it again:

“First off I've been a cop for 33 years and I rarely carry my firearm, only when detecting in bad areas, which I usually don't do.”
Point # 1: Being "aware of your surroundings" means more than seeing an attack coming. More importantly, it goes to threat avoidance and better strategic planning. I mean, the beach, alone, in the hotel district of a tourist area - late at night?! Where else would you imagine a decent clip thief to be lying in wait?

"This situation came out of nowhere…a gun would have done no good, you never would have got to them."
Point #2: Just because you have a gun doesn’t mean you have a shield or a death ray.
Others have suggested that you fire some warning shots, too. A real a no-no in urban areas. The gun is the last resort and may never be needed... if you plan well.

“Martial arts skills will do you no good unless you have practiced very long and hard. Most people don't realize what a street fight is like. It's not like in the gym and not like on TV, believe me.”
Point #3: We’re talking reality here and this is some excellent comment. Your average street thug is a hard-cored individual. Fighting, stabbings, drugs, beatings are all part and parcel of his world. They are not normal people, alas you are. If you are going to bank on martial arts, then you need to have more training than a few belt matches down at the dojo.

“Be aware, stay out of areas where there could be problems and by chance you are ever attacked, go crazy and use any weapon you have at hand to survive.”
Point # 4: Excellent summary

Get some real-life training and learn what you are really about, my friends. And Sterling, from me to you, I am sincerely glad you are okay.

Yea we are all nutso for wanting to be safe and able to protect ourselves....also,please define areas where there could be trouble.....watch the news from any given place and now a days even so called good neighborhoods have this same kind of trouble....
everyone do all you can to follow the advice given here..know your surrondings,detect with a buddy if possible,and as far as i am concerned we all of have the right to defend ourselves with any means possible when we are attacked!!!!!
Stay safe everyone and im glad sterling is ok.....
 
I have a feeling the non-lethal force goody two shoes types might have an epiphany once they have been attacked a time or two. Having myself been attacked twice now and threatened several times I can tell you that these low lifes are not going to behave like a normal rational thinking people. They are DUMB as a brick and often high on some chemical to boot. They attack in groups, its rarely one on one. If you think these idiots will not attack you because you are carrying a digger or scoop or because you are 6 foot 5 or because its in broad daylight think again, they are morons people. I'm lucky I'm not pushing up daisies. I might be if I wasn't so hard to knock to the ground. I have been staggered, beat on and bruised but I think staying on my feet has saved me.

I have been thinking seriously about getting a concealed carry permit and the training of course. My policy will always be to walk away if I can and call the police, they are the professionals. I think standing your ground is junior high BS. But if I try to walk away and they won't let me I tell you before I get beat on again or maybe worse for the $5 in my wallet I WILL blast my way out of there. I will bleeping ventilate them.
 
rattler one ear type headphones by grey ghost ( N.B. Forrest* nick name)--- they allow you to hear whats going on around you --- these days if you hunt solo -- its a good idea not to "deafen" yourself -- being able to hear the sounds around you might just save your life --- when you hunt solo its a good thing to be able to hear that rattle snake buzzing in the tall grass ahead of you ---or the two legged one trying to slip up on you from behind --* funny thing --- Forrest during the civil war was often reported to slip up on unwary union lookout's and lopped their heads off with his saber at night --- told his lookouts he'd do the same to them if he found them asleep ;) Ivan
 
FYI, the place where Sterling was jumped, is not what you would normally consider a bad place to walk, the lights were off on the beach due to the turtles nesting, but the street it happen on is in the very heart of the Hotel District and it wasn't that late. I wouldn't have thought twice to use it at night.

I usually park 2 short blocks from the beach when I night hunt next to a 24 hr 7-11 that always has a police car parked there at night. A short 1 block walk and I am with in view of the police car.

I have entered and left through a lot darker areas late at night by myself. I do carry a long fillet knive in my bag for added protection.

I do see a CWP in my future, may as well be legal. I have had it with me on every vacation I took in a vehicle anyway. I use to camp a lot in the Rocky Mts out west, I never went camping with out protection. Watched too many "B" horror movies. :D
 
erikk said:
Forgot to add...cocked and locked ;D


Me Too! S.A. .45ACP 1911 ;D
I would rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6!

Butch
 
this is the reason i refuse to wear fullsize earphones. not saying thats why it happened to this fella but covering your ears is giving up one of your more important self defense senses.
 

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