Old mitary button with Crown n Cross / Flintlock Pistol Guard and Ring !!

AQUA · Feb 23, 2014

Hi Guys

Out today for a run as it was sunny and +3.... lasted for 3 hrs then the wind came up strong and sun went in.

The old military button was found by my hunting bud.... very nice... this pic is as it was uncleaned.

Crown with cross at the top is very interesting... first I,ve seen anywhere .....edges are perfect with no cracks.

Can anyone please ID this button ?

Found the pistol guard at about 8 inches.... happy to have that piece !

Found the ring in very slimy mud at the edge of the rocks meeting the mud. Has what appears to be 2 diamonds. Nice bonus.!!!

Ring has CORONA 10K on the inside of the band....but is black all over.....cleaned it some and appears to be gold color coming out on the band. Will soak it over night in cleaner.
Must be very low quality gold. ??

AQUA · Feb 23, 2014

Ahab8 · Feb 23, 2014

41.6% gold and Corona is in fact a Canadian company. Another good hunt buddy. The gun piece is really nice. That button is awesome too

Ahab8 · Feb 23, 2014

Damn that button looks old! No clue as to id but has a really nice old look to it. I'm sure IP will nail it down for you

romeo-1 · Feb 23, 2014

That's a great hunt...I never would have guessed that the ring is gold but you nailed it!

Looks like you got a lead seal there as well!

Iron Patch · Feb 23, 2014

Great button! Rev War 84th Highland Emigrants. Enlisted soldier pattern Circa. 1776-1778.

That's entering banner territory. :thumbsup:

AQUA · Feb 23, 2014

romeo-1 said:
That's a great hunt...I never would have guessed that the ring is gold but you nailed it!

Looks like you got a lead seal there as well!

YA... I was very surprised to see the 10k on the band..... but why has it turned completely black ??

AQUA · Feb 23, 2014

Iron Patch said:
Great button! Rev War 84th Highland Emigrants. That's entering banner territory.

WOW ,.... REALLY ??

Remember I,m a complete newb almoast... can you give me some history on that ?

Iron Patch · Feb 23, 2014

AQUA said:
WOW ,.... REALLY ??

Remember I,m a complete newb almoast... can you give me some history on that ?

84th Regiment of Foot (Royal Highland Emigrants) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

These are reproductions, but you can see it shows your friend's button at the top left.

http://www.najecki.com/repro/buttons/Brit/84th.html

Iron Patch · Feb 23, 2014

That is excellent condition. You should tell you friend to try and come up with some type of tool/device, not sure exactly what, but something you can hold like a pencil and has the same type of grit surface as an emery board nail file. You than carefully sand away the little corrosion that is there between the raised detail and it will look great. I don't know what this device would be, but I guarantee if it was my find I'd figure it out and the button would look even better. Or that might even just be dirt on there, just use a bit of soap and water and a little brushing to remove it before it's sealed. Regardless, that's a nice one.

AQUA · Feb 23, 2014

Iron Patch said:
That is excellent condition. You should tell you friend to try and come up with some type of tool/device, not sure exactly what, but something you can hold like a pencil and has the same type of grit surface as an emery board nail file. You than carefully sand away the little corrosion that is there between the raised detail and it will look great. I don't know what this device would be, but I guarantee if it was my find I'd figure it out and the button would look even better. Or that might even just be dirt on there, just use a bit of soap and water and a little brushing to remove it before it's sealed. Regardless, that's a nice one.

TY very much for the information..muchly appreciated.

I will pass it on to him and try to talk him into cleaning it.

I told him last night to clean it a little bit by running it under warm water with little bit of hand soap and gently rub it with his fingers.

Asked him this morning how it turned out...he said ... no way I didn,t clean it ..I put it in my case and wouldn,t even let the wife touch it ..lol.

He is scared to hurt it... I,ll tell him again tonight when I call to tell him that he has a special button.

Iron Patch · Feb 23, 2014

AQUA said:
TY very much for the information..muchly appreciated.

I will pass it on to him and try to talk him into cleaning it.

I told him last night to clean it a little bit by running it under warm water with little bit of hand soap and gently rub it with his fingers.

Asked him this morning how it turned out...he said ... no way I didn,t clean it ..I put it in my case and wouldn,t even let the wife touch it ..lol.

He is scared to hurt it... I,ll tell him again tonight when I call to tell him that he has a special button.

I just read your post again and see it wasn't cleaned... so it's probably just dirt and will easily come off. Probably no need to do anything fancy, just soap, water, and a little brushing. If he plans to seal it, it would be pretty dumb to leave dirt on that you can wash away. But he has the right idea, don't mess with something until you are sure.

That is a real nice button, but looking again I see it looks more like the 17mm and not the coat size. So 2nd from the left on that repro. page.

ironhorse · Feb 23, 2014

You fellas won't have any buttons left to find when spring finally shows up! Lol

You guys have the right place to look no doubt about that, lots of cool old stuff to find, the trigger guard is nice too!

Terry Soloman · Feb 23, 2014

Congrats!

AQUA · Feb 23, 2014

Iron Patch said:
I just read your post again and see it wasn't cleaned... so it's probably just dirt and will easily come off. Probably no need to do anything fancy, just soap, water, and a little brushing. If he plans to seal it, it would be pretty dumb to leave dirt on that you can wash away. But he has the right idea, don't mess with something until you are sure.

Yes...I,m pretty sure it is just dirt.

I will help him clean it tomorrow......but always nervous cleaning something like that one !!

Should look very nice cleaned..will post a pick of it tomorrow if I can talk him into cleaning it.

dansalata · Feb 23, 2014

wow ...awesome find!!!

Iron Patch · Feb 23, 2014

AQUA said:
Yes...I,m pretty sure it is just dirt.

I will help him clean it tomorrow......but always nervous cleaning something like that one !!

Should look very nice cleaned..will post a pick of it tomorrow if I can talk him into cleaning it.

You can tell him that button is the exact same idea as if he dug a silver 2 reales and is leaving the dirt on. It's not the same type of cleaning compared to something that's corroded which you would need peroxide or lemon juice, or something like that. That type of cleaning is like cleaning your boots after the hunt! It's an absolute no brainer. Nothing will change except the dirt will be gone. (Like cleaning a lead bullet or seal or whatever)

The biggest danger is dropping it. So always make sure when you handle it it's over something soft. When you clean it just get a little glass of warm water and some soap, and do it over a towel... or put water in the sink so if it falls he's swimming and not in need of surgery. :laughing7:

Dropping a pewter button on a hard surface, even just a few inches, can easily break the edge or worse. Better fix him up with one of those cases! :headbang:

AQUA · Feb 23, 2014

Iron Patch said:
You can tell him that button is the exact same idea as if he dug a silver 2 reales and is leaving the dirt on. It's not the same type of cleaning compared to something that's corroded which you would need peroxide or lemon juice, or something like that. That type of cleaning is like cleaning your boots after the hunt! It's an absolute no brainer. Nothing will change except the dirt will be gone. (Like cleaning a lead bullet or seal or whatever)

The biggest danger is dropping it. So always make sure when you handle it it's over something soft. When you clean it just get a little glass of warm water and some soap, and do it over a towel... or put water in the sink so if it falls he's swimming and not in need of surgery. Dropping a pewter button on a hard surface, even just a few inches, can easily break the edge or worse. Better fix him up with one of those cases!

HEHE.. alreday done...RICK and ZDD were down yesterday for a hunt... so I got him to bring a button case like yours for my friend...it is already in it . !!!

Willl make sure he safe guards against damage when cleaning....ty for the advise. !!

PS... your words are completely true... I dropped my RP button on the kitchen counter... ONLY 3 INCHES.. and a tiny chip came outta it....very small but I couldn,t believe it...if had dropped it a couple feet on a really hard surface it would prolly be a mess !!!!.

So I totally believe you about how you treated your 5k button.

Iron Patch · Feb 23, 2014

AQUA said:
HEHE.. alreday done...RICK and ZDD were down yesterday for a hunt... so I got him to bring a button case like yours for my friend...it is already in it . !!!

Willl make sure he safe guards against damage when cleaning....ty for the advise. !!

PS... your words are completely true... I dropped my RP button on the kitchen counter... ONLY 3 INCHES.. and a tiny chip came outta it....very small but I couldn,t believe it...if had dropped it a couple feet on a really hard surface it would prolly be a mess !!!!.

So I totally believe you about how you treated your 5k button.

My button wasn't pewter, but still ain't no way I was going to test a fall!

AQUA · Feb 23, 2014

ironhorse said:
You fellas won't have any buttons left to find when spring finally shows up! Lol

You guys have the right place to look no doubt about that, lots of cool old stuff to find, the trigger guard is nice too!

Ty Iron horse.... so far so good...I,m startig to like saltwaer hunting !!!!

What kinda cleaner would you use to shine up the trigger guard... or would you just leave it as is ?