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You yourself put a question mark after your statement. "Ancient alien carvings?"
Proof doesn't exist until it is proven.
Until then it's not a closed topic, because you don't believe.

You're reading too much into my use of a question mark, intended to convey my incredulity.

Of course it's not a closed topic, so I invite you to provide proof that the items are ancient alien carvings.
 
I'm not in argument over a pic of a Ouija board.
I discuss this topic by watching the science of the testing on the multiple artifacts, that can be explained.
Did anyone bother.
 
You think only the price is ridiculous? True you can ask any price you want, but you can also make any claim you want. Ancient alien carvings? Give me a break.
They can list it anyway they want, there is a sucker born every minute.

I played with Ouija board as kid, yes it was weird, do I believe it is portal to dead, no not really. Do I belive his sales are alien made....🤣,no....
 
Proof doesn't exist until it is proven.
That is exactly the point. There is no proof that the item posted is ANY of these things:

Ancient
Carved
Stone
Alien
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I think the post meant that it has carvings "of" aliens, even though it could be read as being carved "by" aliens. But again, no proof of either claim.

I sure wouldn't pull out my checkbook without a LOT more evidence that it wasn't made ten minutes ago by a guy in the garage.
 
I believe in Alien technology, until proven otherwise..
 

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I believe in Alien technology, until proven otherwise..

Bob Lazar isn’t a “controversial whistleblower”. He’s a dishonest charlatan. And - before you say it - no, it's not just my opinion.

Quoted from Wiki:

Robert Scott Lazar is an American who, since 1989, has claimed to have been part of a classified US government project concerned with the reverse engineering of extraterrestrial technology; he also purported to have read government briefing documents that described alien involvement in human affairs over the past 10,000 years. A self-proclaimed physicist, Lazar supposedly worked at a secret site near the United States Air Force facility popularly known as Area 51. His story brought additional public attention to the facility and spawned conspiracy theories regarding government knowledge of extraterrestrial life.

Lazar has provided no evidence of alien life or technology, and his claims about his education and employment history are replete with fabrications. Lazar also has been involved in criminal activity: he was convicted in 1990 for his involvement in a Nevada prostitution ring, and his company was sentenced to probation in 2006 for violating laws prohibiting the sale of chemicals across state lines. As well as being dismissed by skeptics, Lazar has been denounced by some ufologists.

Lazar graduated from high school late, in the bottom third of his class. The only science course he took was a chemistry class. He subsequently attended Pierce Junior College in Los Angeles. In 1986 Lazar, who at the time described himself as a self-employed film processor, filed for bankruptcy.

Lazar claims to have obtained master's degrees in physics from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) and in electronics from the California Institute of Technology (Caltech). However, both universities show no record of him. Scientists Stanton T. Friedman and Donald R. Prothero have stated that nobody with Lazar's high school performance record would be accepted by either institution. Lazar is unable to supply the names of any lecturers or fellow students from his alleged tenures at MIT and Caltech; one supposed Caltech professor, William Duxler, was in fact located at Pierce Junior College and had never taught at Caltech. Friedman asserted, "Quite obviously, if one can go to MIT, one doesn't go to Pierce. Lazar was at Pierce at the very same time he was supposedly at MIT more than 2,500 miles away.”

Lazar claims to be a physicist and to have worked in this capacity during his tenure at the Los Alamos Meson Physics Facility. This assertion was echoed by local journalist Terry England, who interviewed Lazar about his interest in jet-powered cars in 1982; some media outlets have since dubbed him a "physicist". Asked about the article in 2021, however, England admitted that he took Lazar's claims at face value and did not fact-check his credentials as a physicist. Inquiry into Lazar's position at Los Alamos revealed his role to have been a technician for a contractor firm, and that he worked neither as a physicist or for the lab directly. As such, the facility retains no records on Lazar, whom Prothero states was "in short, rather a minor player".The Smithsonian, along with various other mainstream news outlets, have stated that his designation as a "physicist" is self-proclaimed.


And:

"Lazar's claims were later disproven (by UFO skeptics and believers alike). He was found to have fabricated not only his employment at Nellis but indeed his entire background; almost nothing of what he said was true. Still, Lazar's lies propelled Area 51 into the public's consciousness." [Benjamin Radford, Live Science]
 
That is exactly the point. There is no proof that the item posted is ANY of these things:

Ancient
Carved
Stone
Alien
related to Oija boards

I think the post meant that it has carvings "of" aliens, even though it could be read as being carved "by" aliens. But again, no proof of either claim.

I sure wouldn't pull out my checkbook without a LOT more evidence that it wasn't made ten minutes ago by a guy in the garage.
Of the thousands of artifacts recovered from this sight, statues and carvings, all of a long pointy head creature.
I would say they are carvings of aliens, carved by aliens. There were no human statues or carvings.
I see it as alien looking species that lived here in the past.
Not necessarily a species from another planet.
But many carvings and artifacts are UFO's.
Why carve this shape in and on everything, if it wasn't your species?
 

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Bob Lazar isn’t a “controversial whistleblower”. He’s a dishonest charlatan. And - before you say it - no, it's not just my opinion.

Quoted from Wiki:

Robert Scott Lazar is an American who, since 1989, has claimed to have been part of a classified US government project concerned with the reverse engineering of extraterrestrial technology; he also purported to have read government briefing documents that described alien involvement in human affairs over the past 10,000 years. A self-proclaimed physicist, Lazar supposedly worked at a secret site near the United States Air Force facility popularly known as Area 51. His story brought additional public attention to the facility and spawned conspiracy theories regarding government knowledge of extraterrestrial life.

Lazar has provided no evidence of alien life or technology, and his claims about his education and employment history are replete with fabrications. Lazar also has been involved in criminal activity: he was convicted in 1990 for his involvement in a Nevada prostitution ring, and his company was sentenced to probation in 2006 for violating laws prohibiting the sale of chemicals across state lines. As well as being dismissed by skeptics, Lazar has been denounced by some ufologists.

Lazar graduated from high school late, in the bottom third of his class. The only science course he took was a chemistry class. He subsequently attended Pierce Junior College in Los Angeles. In 1986 Lazar, who at the time described himself as a self-employed film processor, filed for bankruptcy.

Lazar claims to have obtained master's degrees in physics from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) and in electronics from the California Institute of Technology (Caltech). However, both universities show no record of him. Scientists Stanton T. Friedman and Donald R. Prothero have stated that nobody with Lazar's high school performance record would be accepted by either institution. Lazar is unable to supply the names of any lecturers or fellow students from his alleged tenures at MIT and Caltech; one supposed Caltech professor, William Duxler, was in fact located at Pierce Junior College and had never taught at Caltech. Friedman asserted, "Quite obviously, if one can go to MIT, one doesn't go to Pierce. Lazar was at Pierce at the very same time he was supposedly at MIT more than 2,500 miles away.”

Lazar claims to be a physicist and to have worked in this capacity during his tenure at the Los Alamos Meson Physics Facility. This assertion was echoed by local journalist Terry England, who interviewed Lazar about his interest in jet-powered cars in 1982; some media outlets have since dubbed him a "physicist". Asked about the article in 2021, however, England admitted that he took Lazar's claims at face value and did not fact-check his credentials as a physicist. Inquiry into Lazar's position at Los Alamos revealed his role to have been a technician for a contractor firm, and that he worked neither as a physicist or for the lab directly. As such, the facility retains no records on Lazar, whom Prothero states was "in short, rather a minor player".The Smithsonian, along with various other mainstream news outlets, have stated that his designation as a "physicist" is self-proclaimed.


And:

"Lazar's claims were later disproven (by UFO skeptics and believers alike). He was found to have fabricated not only his employment at Nellis but indeed his entire background; almost nothing of what he said was true. Still, Lazar's lies propelled Area 51 into the public's consciousness." [Benjamin Radford, Live Science]
All that, and you didn't debunk the Buga sphere?
 
almost anyone Can Update Wiki :tongue3: & charlatan ? You know my opinion of the word 'charlatan' & When it is used.
 
As for my Honest opinion , I'm 50/50 Till someone proves, Or
YES Disproves it ! The older I Get, the More I see, the more Open My mind Becomes , especially when Dealing with Wht I Consider 'naysayer' :coffee2:

For Instance if you would have Asked if I Believed in Ghosts 2 years ago, I Would have said No! Flat out..
Due to 2 Events since then, I Just dont Know :dontknow:
 
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almost anyone Can Update Wiki :tongue3: & charlatan ? You know my opinion of the word 'charlatan' & When it is used.

Yes, they can, but edits must follow policies for neutrality and verifiability using reliable sources, with experienced editors or administrators sometimes restricting changes on highly contentious pages.
 
Sorry ! So you Say :laughing7:

50/50 :coffee2:

But I provide evidence from independent sources... it's not my evidence. The claims Lazar made in the snippet @dowser posted are without independent evidence... largely becase the current holders of the sphere are refusing access to it by anyone likely to refute the claims for it.
 
I post on behalf of unknown and non-understood technology, alien or human.
I live using it..
That makes other stuff possible.
 
But many carvings and artifacts are UFO's.
Why carve this shape in and on everything, if it wasn't your species?
Why do people have Mickey Mouse and Donald Duck on their dishes, their clothing, and their wall art? It doesn’t mean they were real.
 
Why do I feel, most commenters didn't watch the videos, didn't look at all the thousands of weird artifacts, can't debunk any of the multiple scientific tests performed so far, with meters, chemicals, x-rays.
Don't look, you'd have to believe your lying eyes!
 
This cube they tested is 34,000 yrs old.
That would make the Ouija board old.
Other statues are so interesting, doing things we can't explain.. But don't look..
 

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I would hesitate to call someone gullible, at least to their face, since many feel that the term has become pejorative and is tantamount to calling someone a simpleton. I find it safer to use the word “credulous “, which means a tendency to believe something without good proof. What you believe might even be true, but you are still credulous if you adopted your belief without reasonable proof. Believing that there were ancient astronauts who made or sat as models for these artifacts based on no more than the fact that someone you have never seen and know nothing about said so is a good example of credulity. It is what Ambrose Bierce called “belief without proof in things without parallel.”
 
I finally found the eBay listing for the object in question and, strange to say, while the seller is lavish with phrases like “alien carved stone “ ln the title, in the seller’s description he states that he does not know what it is or how old it is other than it is “potentially ancient “. Perhaps he means that it is not ancient now but has the potential to become ancient sometime in the future. It is stated that the object was found at Tula and is currently in the US. He does not explain how an artifact from a Mexican national park was allowed to leave the country to be openly sold. I do not have an eBay account and cannot send a question. Perhaps someone who does could send him a message asking him just what he is selling
 

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