🥇 BANNER Revolutionary War USA Relic? No Idea, but I Know It's Old!

FreeBirdTim

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Deep in the woods today near the spot where I found a Rev War era stirrup. Got a low 70's signal 6 inches down and thought I had dug a flat button. Wiped it off and noticed that one side had grooves on it instead of a shank. Then I turned it over and saw a USA logo on it! Looks similar to the Rev War button logo, but not quite the same. It's 1" in diameter and appears to be brass.

Did some research online, but I drew a blank. No idea what this is or how old. Hoping it's Rev War, but it could be later than that. What the heck did I find?

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OtakuDude

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At first glance, it looks like a USA bar cent. These coins have been heavily forged over the years so I have no idea if it's real or not. Something like that would have to be determined by someone more knowledgeable than myself.

Bar Cent

If it is real, you have quite a rare find there! Congratz!
 

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Inquiring minds wanna know! Congrats! :thumbsup:
 

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Jesus man it’s a Bar Cent! That is one really really really nice find
 

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Need I say more?!!!!!!!!
If that’s legit and it certainly looks to be, that is a very special find Tim. Very special indeed
 

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Been waiting to see one of these show up since 2009 .IMHO , Looks like the " Real Deal " , but there is always ....

THAT , chance ! Here is too hope so , :occasion14:
 

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Find of a life time ! I would strongly recommend no further cleaning, :occasion14::notworthy:
 

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It's hard to beat your find, awesome recovery! I'm going to assume it's genuine based on where you found it.
 

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Congrats on that rare old copper
 

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Wow!!! If that is real the real deal and not an early counterfeit, than you have just found one of the greatest coins ever posted on this website! It looks real to me, and I don't think their were many contemporary counterfeits of them made! I have always read about this coin, and thought that it was very interesting, but never thought that anyone would ever find one! Banner x10!

The closest to one that I could afford is this mug with one on it...
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Thanks for the quick ID! I never would have guessed that it was a coin from 1785! I was thinking maybe it was a decorative piece mounted to something, due to the grooves on the back.

I won't mess with it any more, but it is flaking a little on the edges now that it's dry. My luck to find a rare coin and it's toasted. Still a great find, though.
 

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I dont know man. It looks good from here. Don't touch it but I really think that things got plenty of meat on the bone regarding "condition".
 

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Thanks for the quick ID! I never would have guessed that it was a coin from 1785! I was thinking maybe it was a decorative piece mounted to something, due to the grooves on the back.

I won't mess with it any more, but it is flaking a little on the edges now that it's dry. My luck to find a rare coin and it's toasted. Still a great find, though.

That’s no toast my man! And when it’s that scarce and it has detail it’s a grand slam!
 

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doesn't look toasted to me...a coinshooters find of a lifetime....you dug it...

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Deep in the woods today near the spot where I found a Rev War era stirrup. Got a low 70's signal 6 inches down and thought I had dug a flat button. Wiped it off and noticed that one side had grooves on it instead of a shank. Then I turned it over and saw a USA logo on it! Looks similar to the Rev War button logo, but not quite the same. It's 1" in diameter and appears to be brass.

Did some research online, but I drew a blank. No idea what this is or how old. Hoping it's Rev War, but it could be later than that. What the heck did I find?

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Amazing find big congrats [emoji106]
 
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Outstanding find, congratulations! :notworthy:

IMHO: Do not clean it! If authentic you have a very valuable find!

Thought I should add, I was reading about that very coin today in a coin book...great find!
 
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BAR "CENT"
PCGS No: 599
Rarity: Scarce
Mintage: Unknown
Designer: Unknown
Diameter: ±24.5 millimeters, rare exceptions are known on large, oval planchets
Metal content:
Copper - 100%

Weight: ±84 grains (5.44 grams)
Edge: Plain
Mintmark: None
Images courtesy of Ron GuthVarieties:
Normal Planchet
Broad Planchet
Overstruck on an India (Bengali Presidency / Prinsep Coinage) 1/2 Anna
Notes:
The Bar "Cents" first appeared in the American Colonies in 1785, when they joined the mix of motley coppers then in circulation. Their weight was too low to be valued at a Cent, but the name has stuck through use and tradition (in fact, the weight is almost identical to the U.S. Half Cents of 1795 and later years). The obverse copies the U.S.A. monogram seen on pewter buttons worn on the uniforms of Continental soldiers. The reverse consists of thirteen parallel bars, signifying the original 13 Colonies. Their simple, patriotic design makes them a favorite with collectors, although they are rather scarce and expensive.
Bar "Cents" were made in England, possibly at Wyon's mint in Birmingham (more famous for their Nova Constellatio Coppers). Various forgeries exist, ranging in quality from crude casts to excellent struck copies and electrotypes. All genuine examples have a small, thorn-like projection on the far right side of the bottom edge of the second bar from the top (this defect is seen clearly on the illustration above). Electrotypes will also show this projection, so authentication is mandatory.Breen lists two specimens that are known on larger, oval planchets and speculates that they might have been "...some kind of special presentation or souvenir striking", but this is unlikely. Until the weights of these two unusual examples is ascertained, we can only speculate that they are normal strikes on misshapen blanks.The finest Bar "Cent" certified by PCGS is a single MS-66 Brown.Significant examples:
PCGS MS-66 Brown. Offered at the 2002 New York American Numismatic Association convention by RAAB coins for $36,000.00
Recent appearances:
PCGS AU-58. Ex - Paul Arthur Norris (puchased privately) - Ira & Larry Goldberg Coins & Collectibles, Inc.'s "Pre-Long Beach Sale", September 23 & 24, 2002, Lot 80, illustrated, where it was described as follows: "PCGS graded AU-58. Nearly perfect surfaces on this one, a medium light brown color and no signs of abuse. There are a couple of very light specks on the reverse between the bars. Boldly struck and well centered, and truly an American classic in every sense of the word. The diagnostics of the A over the S are clear, as is the small spur on the right end of the second bar, which confirm this to be one of the originals. The first bar coppers were reported in the New Jersey Gazette, November 12, 1785 which is likely near time of their release.
Charles Bushnell attributes this issue to the famous George Wyon III and his Birmingham Mint. The coins were likely ordered by an American merchant, perhaps using a soldiers button for the simple, but endearing design. These coppers were struck at a lighter standard than the usual 60 to the pound, but they likely passed at 14 to the shilling, nowhere near the "cent" value long attributed to these because of their similarity in size to later large cents. Most of the survivors grade from Fine to Very Fine, and rarely are these encountered in grades even approaching mint state."
"AU-50" (illustrated above). Ex - H. Cuddy, sold in October 1970 - Dr. Robert J. Hinckley - Bowers and Merena "The Collections of Phillip Flanagan, Dr. Robert Hinckley...", November 29-December 1, 2001, Lot 2423, illustrated, "...85.0 grains. Diameter: 24.8 mm. A die crack connects the two central-most bars at their centers...", sold for $5,520.00"EF-45, cleaned and retoned". Ex - Superior Stamp & Coin's "The ANA 2000 National Money Show Auction", March 2-3, 2000, Lot 30, "Breen 1145"[SIZE=-1]Sources and/or recommended reading:
"Walter Breen's Complete Encyclopedia Of U.S. And Colonial Coins" by Walter Breen
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[SIZE=-1]"The PCGS Population Report, April 2002" by The Professional Coin Grading Service[/SIZE]



 

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