Season 12

The fatal flaw of this treasure story is time. No one in their right mind would spend the time to dig a 100 foot hole to hide their treasure. You dig a hole in the middle of the night about 10 feet down, toss in the chest and cover it up before dawn. Bury it near a tree or large rock, so you can come back and recover it someday. No 100 foot hole, no tunnels that flood the hole and no logs or building of anything complex.
This really does not stop anyone from giving you such a story and letting your biases justify it for you. Anyone who would rationalize like you do and conclude it makes no sense would be forced to conclude it was never meant to be recovered by anyone else to keep the dream alive. Oddly, if that is the case, the discovery of it did not even pose a problem to three "boys" who fell upon something screaming to be discovered on an island where people had resided for over 30 years! Many things are badly imagined in the accounts.

Interestingly, the retrieval account at Hobson's Nose from which the OI story borrows some details did not involve a retrieval at depth. Jus a few feet, and it was quick... I don' t think that helps to substantiate anything, though. OI stories just aren't under any pressure to compute in order to achieve what was desired. They involve Rick's mysterious energies now, and people still find a way to keep it rationalized.
 
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The fatal flaw of this treasure story is time. No one in their right mind would spend the time to dig a 100 foot hole to hide their treasure. You dig a hole in the middle of the night about 10 feet down, toss in the chest and cover it up before dawn. Bury it near a tree or large rock, so you can come back and recover it someday. No 100 foot hole, no tunnels that flood the hole and no logs or building of anything complex.
Hey...what's going on here ?? are you trying to apply logic ,reason and common sense to this hole fest ?? What we are witnessing on that crappy island is a modern day tale highlighting the level to which we have descended as a species... The 'dumb ass' ancients used to build magnificent structures and hide things for us 'future advanced beings' to salivate and wonder over, to search for and use all our 'advanced' techniques and technologies , to try and find.. It is as if they knew ...
I mean a bunch of nitwits digging holes is still being watched after all these years...
 
Hey...what's going on here ?? are you trying to apply logic ,reason and common sense to this hole fest ?? What we are witnessing on that crappy island is a modern day tale highlighting the level to which we have descended as a species... The 'dumb ass' ancients used to build magnificent structures and hide things for us 'future advanced beings' to salivate and wonder over, to search for and use all our 'advanced' techniques and technologies , to try and find.. It is as if they knew ...
I mean a bunch of nitwits digging holes is still being watched after all these years...
Agreed.... And I'd hate to see the bottom line of $$$$ that has been spent especially the bro's and the History channel. If you find something of value I'd doubt it would even get to a break even point.
 
Agreed.... And I'd hate to see the bottom line of $$$$ that has been spent especially the bro's and the History channel. If you find something of value I'd doubt it would even get to a break even point.
NITWIT is what they call you digging zinc pennies at the tot lot .WHY do you call treasure hunters ...NITWITS .. you nitwit.......................
 
NITWIT is what they call you digging zinc pennies at the tot lot .WHY do you call treasure hunters ...NITWITS .. you nitwit.......................
Who said they were treasure hunters..! After12 years they've turned into island archeologists now. No more and no less. If they can collect a paycheck for it good for them... but calling them "treasure hunters" is a bit of a stretch now.
 
Who said they were treasure hunters..! After12 years they've turned into island archeologists now. No more and no less. If they can collect a paycheck for it good for them... but calling them "treasure hunters" is a bit of a stretch now.
tell that to Mel Fisher....
 
Hey...what's going on here ?? are you trying to apply logic ,reason and common sense to this hole fest ?? What we are witnessing on that crappy island is a modern day tale highlighting the level to which we have descended as a species... The 'dumb ass' ancients used to build magnificent structures and hide things for us 'future advanced beings' to salivate and wonder over, to search for and use all our 'advanced' techniques and technologies , to try and find.. It is as if they knew ...
I mean a bunch of nitwits digging holes is still being watched after all these years...
One could argue that one should actually do that as soon as he detects that he has been handed an old Hebrew fable/parable. The desired result when anyone is prompted that way is for him to try and decipher the moral of the story using a story's internal symbolic logic. An interesting feature of this old morality tale is that it was meant as a cautionary tale against digging deeper and more often (to waste one's life in an impossible task). The relevant feature of the Enochian hole and its legendary vault is impenetrability. You are never going to defeat the intention of the one who guards a secret that spirals into infinity with it.

When Halliburton parodied this quest in Nova Scotia in 1847 he included a not so veiled reference to Bunyan's "The Pilgrim's Progress" for his readers. In that 17th century story you must avoid dying on a hill of lucre in a shaft chasing things no one can even name, as well as avoiding sinking and drowning in the mud of the "swamp of despond" on your way to the big white house. Leave it to Rick and Marty to craft a modern reality around defying the recommendations.

What we have is in part no different than the spiraling lives of men who search for a material Atlantis, Noah's Ark or Holy Grail. Added to that we have the P.T. Barnum types who know of the existence of suckers who will consume spectacle. They stopped just short of having a bearded lady running the excavator with COOI. The man from Frog Island filled some of the requirements. Tune in to gawk at some of the uncaged weirdos they happily parade. It will only cost you exposure to erectile dysfunction medication advertising.
 
Who said they were treasure hunters..! After12 years they've turned into island archeologists now. No more and no less. If they can collect a paycheck for it good for them... but calling them "treasure hunters" is a bit of a stretch now.
Amateur antiquarians...In England, those would not be allowed to do as much damage. The reality is that they have been given carte blanche to churn up everything that has already been ransacked for generations (10+seasons of it), but they must pay legitimate archeologists to help the Province understand the colonial footprint remaining unmolested there. They pay for content which the authorities allow them to use for their manipulations. The end result is widespread confusion about NS history and better institutionalized knowledge which can be accessed and disseminated by the scholarly classes in their institutions.
 
tell that to Mel Fisher....
Well he was looking for a known treasure for sure. The bros are using a hope and prayer and a check from History Channel hoping they run into something.
 
I could be wrong about the salt mine so I'll agree the indentation in the ground was from digging a well. In either case there is no treasure.
It turns out under the money pit is limestone and gypsum and usually salt. Im not saying there is or was salt there but you cannot rule out that it could be the reason someone dug 90-150 to get there.
 
It turns out under the money pit is limestone and gypsum and usually salt. Im not saying there is or was salt there but you cannot rule out that it could be the reason someone dug 90-150 to get there.
Yet no evidence has ever been presented that someone dug 90-150 feet originally.

Only grifters did so later.
 
The Del Mar map isn't even authentic (Everyone by now accepts this as fact) , and not that old. It is one in a series of fakes that have served the wild imaginations of those who could easily, and difficultly (!), see through them to serve their deepest desires.

What Blankenship settled on evolved. He scoured the world looking for a story to fit his delusion. Some of the notable things he favored are the Concepcion salvage and the alleged Lord Anson (Spanish shipping of the ark) mystery folklore. How it ended for Dan was not with those theories. Dan was under the influence of his American friend Betty McKaig in the 1970s who had continued the 50+ year investigation of the Baconian scholar Leonell Strong into a star mapping theory based in the Northern Cross asterism's presence in the constellation of Cygnus. During these years his interest aligned with those of David Tobias who had DeVere, Bacon and Shakespeare in mind. Out of it came a loss of interest in the MP workings. We know he shifted to the hole he called 10-X. The name itself is evocative of ideas in the McKaig theories. Both 10 and X have the same value. This is a theme in the Shakespearean masque suggestion where we have two faces for one reality. The sum of 10 and X is 20 (anciently twenty from "twin t"). The twin T mystery is Strong's pet mystery. It refers to the Triple Tau and its explanatory value in understanding the mystery of life and death. The product of 10 by X is 100 which was understood by Strong to be the Tudor cipher value of Francis Bacon (add up the positional value of the letters in the 24 position alphabet, 67+33).

After Tobias left with his money Dan floundered. He basically hand dug 10-X until the Laginas showed up and reinvigorated the much older theories of countless brain dead scoundrels.

This is not to say any of Strong or McKaig's research has merit. There is nothing in it that implicates OI over any other place except that OI already had an aura of mystery which had shifted there from another local island (Hobson's Nose). The shifting of the story happened between 1830 and the first searcher efforts in the 1840s.

I implore you stop to inventing shit up based on things long ago discredited and spreading it confidently.
Interesting that you try and deny contemporaneous reports saying they just were trying to follow a treasure map from the start. But for what purpose exactly? That it just reveals that you never knew they existed?

It was written about and referred to all the way up to the 1970s, or was all that missed also? You might check out the other islands near Oak searched also using copies of the same map. Let me guess, they didn't mention that either in Darcy O'connor's book?

I'll point this out also: in the Intepretation Centre on Oak Island there is not one mention or display showing records mentioning a treasure map despite them existing and the claims like 'we will do it all to get to the answer' etc etc: you need to ask yourself why they are missing.

And I'll put this here again so you can read the words of the show's researcher, Doug Crowell to bring it home again

You can stick your fingers in your ears and cover your eyes to pretend all you want that what he wrote likewise somehow doesn't really exist or mean what it says.

Sounds like a winning research strategy to me, just deny what doesn't fit your idea of what you want it to be.

I notice you don't actually try to follow where all this leads to see what it reveals but just try to pretend it's somehow not right?

That things are being suppressed and the general audience steered away from even enquiring along certain lines by pretending they don't exist, it comes down to where you fit in the scheme of things: the consuming audience or those doing to feeding to the audience.

The bottom line is, once the detail of the use of the treasure map is out there is no mystery left, the show and the whole Oak Island industry ends.
 

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And they have known about a circulating treasure map starting the search since 2014 when I spoke to Marty about it. They just decided not to let you know about it because that way you can spend hours watching the show (and advertisements) trying to work out what went on.

So keep up the good work, the answer ends the show, endless speculation is what is needed.
 
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Yet no evidence has ever been presented that someone dug 90-150 feet originally.

Only grifters did so later.
I agree. The three guys in 1795 found an indentation due to a man-made excavation. There are reasons for this other than buried treasure; a well or mine for example..

When digging down you typically know when the dig changes from fill to undisturbed. So it would seem they kept digging until they hit 90 ft/flood tunnel because they were still finding fill or man-made artifacts.

Thats speculation on my parr so again there is no concrete proof anyone dug that deep prior to the Onslow company.
 
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A season or two ago they invested in the garden shaft. Water samples taken north east from the shaft , so they planned to extend a horizontal shaft out in the direction to where these samples were taken.

When they got to the bottom of the garden shaft they drilled in that direction and hit a flood tunnel.

Why wouldn't they drop a can there to see if they can stop the water?
 
A season or two ago they invested in the garden shaft. Water samples taken north east from the shaft , so they planned to extend a horizontal shaft out in the direction to where these samples were taken.

When they got to the bottom of the garden shaft they drilled in that direction and hit a flood tunnel.

Why wouldn't they drop a can there to see if they can stop the water?
What constitutes a "flood tunnel" VS ground water...? I thought flood tunnels were long gone. Caverns filled with ground water are probably all around. Blocking off a "flood tunnel" is one thing.... but stopping a cavern filled with ground water is a problem.
 
Interesting that you try and deny contemporaneous reports saying they just were trying to follow a treasure map from the start. But for what purpose exactly? That it just reveals that you never knew they existed?

It was written about and referred to all the way up to the 1970s, or was all that missed also? You might check out the other islands near Oak searched also using copies of the same map. Let me guess, they didn't mention that either in Darcy O'connor's book?

I'll point this out also: in the Intepretation Centre on Oak Island there is not one mention or display showing records mentioning a treasure map despite them existing and the claims like 'we will do it all to get to the answer' etc etc: you need to ask yourself why they are missing.

And I'll put this here again so you can read the words of the show's researcher, Doug Crowell to bring it home again

You can stick your fingers in your ears and cover your eyes to pretend all you want that what he wrote likewise somehow doesn't really exist or mean what it says.

Sounds like a winning research strategy to me, just deny what doesn't fit your idea of what you want it to be.

I notice you don't actually try to follow where all this leads to see what it reveals but just try to pretend it's somehow not right?

That things are being suppressed and the general audience steered away from even enquiring along certain lines by pretending they don't exist, it comes down to where you fit in the scheme of things: the consuming audience or those doing to feeding to the audience.

The bottom line is, once the detail of the use of the treasure map is out there is no mystery left, the show and the whole Oak Island industry ends.
Real scholarly looks at this pre searcher history are almost non existent. You begin with the incorrect view that we do actually have a reliably given starting point to go from. You are thus stuck reading the fodder of mystery writers which have gravitated to this story because it is essentially a blank canvas looking for an enticing premise, and all those do assume a reliable starting point (a bias) and no human folly (another bias). It all just starts with what is essentially a blurb in accounts that seems too innocuous to challenge.

Historians don't actually order speculative books from Amazon to get going. Some of the people you mention have contributed nothing but written anthologies covering everything ever written about the place and/or interviews and testimonials with those most likely to have deluded themselves. You certainly should not be led by the rationales of searchers, because you will end up being convinced they had convinced themselves using whatever was a their disposal in a justifiable fashion.

Those maps are known fakes. A very simple look into it will give you a taste of their dubious past. For one, they are visually cartoonish and inconsistent with the penmanship of the time it alleges (inconsistent with our material culture). R.L. Stevenson's 1880's map in "Treasure Island" is much more realistic, and a fiction. That these maps might seem to align in some detail is consistent with the fact that this is what one does to string someone along when something is crafted after the fact.

For the nth time, things on OI are related to Morris' 1762 plan and survey. Morris did not lay anything down using pre existing knowledge of treasure maps or the known position of a money pit testifying to bull cult in antiquity. It is even more damning that Nolan's ca. 1980 Cross is so well related to his plan also. At least Nolan suspected Morris was involved somehow. He may sill have faked it all from a plan he reworked from survey remnants.

Choices do make a good starting point. Why this instead of that? Why give us Enoch's shaft and vault in NS, and why would Kidd have dressed up his scheme in a Hebrew myth? When Tobias paid real historians to look into a Kidd suggestion they reported 5 contemporary claims for this very trendy suggestion in New England alone. Kidd in NS is not by merit alone. He fits in a cultural trend. Another trend appeared in the 1890s. Constance Mary Fearron Pott had penned works alleging secretive links between Francis Bacon and Shakespeare. In a matter of a few years a vault of Shakespearean documents has replaced Kidd pop cultural suggestions. For ensuing decades after there was not a search for a treasure of gold and silver at OI.

In your simplistic way you are cherry picking from quite a variety of sources without much critical effort.
 

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