Season Two - Nov. 4, 2014 9:00 pm

[Old Silver]

Why would anyone be surprised that a TV show is bogus? Have you ever seen any TV program that was anything but?

 

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[Eldo]

No Eldo, on the cacheology thing.
"Robot" is pulling your leg. A ton comes up on that search. And it is a google search , not a webpage. I guess "the search for truth and justice is my prime directive" quote he has for a signature is selective. View attachment 1076943

Anyways, you have the first domino, figure it out for yourself, I am done with getting hacked by trojans such as "Tracur.f " already. The guy in question was associated with computer hackers when he did The CueCat thing.

The only thing leaving me in suspense is-- will he get millions in sales from his endless supply of "treasure hunting" books following the show, or will the last domino fall beforehand? That should be a video like the ones he makes. Someone please make it.

Prometheus Entertainment produces the Oak Island show for the History Channel. But I doubt they view these boards, and I will not post on the facebook page of Curse of Oak island and complicate my life. So he has a good chance of winning the race.

OK if you insist.....Cacheology......the invented science of CRYPTOLOGY and ARCHAEOLOGY combined ladies and gentleman....you should know already that you can actually pay someone to get your "Search terms" listed by now, so I don't think this is a Graduate Study in any University is it

with all the new hype produced for "History's Sake".....be it Prometheus, or another company, they should know quality by now....

each show is supposed to build like a symphonic crescendo, layering additional information upon the previous show, and finishing with the zenith of its discovery, the ultimate understanding of its burial, and a full documentation of these objectives, procedures, and descriptive graphics has to be created.

The documentary in Amundsen's case was epic......and his documentation, even holds clues that he missed, and I have listed a few of them here....

to show you some real POV Treasure Porn to Get Your Rocks Off

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First pic shows the Cerro Punto in almost perfect alignment to the Islands
Second Shows the Square Route to Take
Third shows the direction to take from the Cerro Punto to get to the Cornerstone

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IF what they found is a crude scratching in a rock it MAY be this symbol if they are going from Amundsen's discoveries

 

[Eldo]

What I am hoping from my area is some more clues and documentation for the confirmation of my theory about a Tan Dem trove.......a dual location set by Spain, one for the Body of Christ and the Temple artifacts if the Knights Templar,

and the other the Peralta Troves with the Artifacts of the Church of Santa Fe.

So far the geo-mapping skills they had left them the ability to code so many different clues into these stones, that they correspond to something other than Oak Island.

The reality is that the Peralta Stones are the Codes for charting a movement through 18 locations, two of which I hold the locations to.

I am hoping to find additional information to confirm this with either the New Ross area, the area I have charted in Nova Scotia, or the AZ troves.....I am hoping there is something to further the two discoveries.

Not like those two discoveries are chump change, but it is something of a Mission of mine at this point seeing as I am the only one who has taken this theory further by confirming two locations with one set of map systems,

yet this "mystery" was so large they charted maps in pieces of art, literature, and in cryptic form, in three different languages, and encoded it with a relatively undecipherable method that cannot be easily decoded through computer analysis......it takes linguistics and a background in fact finding, deductive reasoning, and other abilities to look notice subtleties of the arts that are beyond most people's comprehension.

You have to open some doors to "see" the final picture of what you are looking for, and go to it through intuition as well, because your own doubt and the doubts of others will surely tell you to give up.....

 

[Robot]

The “Art” of Modern Day “Treasure Hunting”

The “Art” of Modern Day “Treasure Hunting”

Treasure hunting has never been about knowing for “certain” what may lie buried, but more the “will to try" and discover what just might show in one’s Gold Pan from a search up around the bend.

It was hard work and expensive in the past and it is still that today, whether one is computer researching theories or digging with a shovel.

Al Capone stated it best “If robbing Banks was easy – everyone would do it”

Many skeptics refuse to review the data relevant to the evidence presented. They prejudge this evidence and those providing it because their limited perspective fails to understand how such things might actually have taken place.

They believe they know the truth without considering any of the facts, data or evidence provided and choose to be willfully ignorant to it.

"Humor" along with "constructive criticism" is important, as many of the inventions and discoveries of today would not have taken place if it were not for Skeptics challenging mankind's theories.

It is when this criticism becomes ridicule that the danger lays in the withholding of the presenting of theories.

I for one would say “Bring on the Circus” with its dancing bears and clowns to “Oak Island”, if this is what is needed to do the work and pay the expenses and finally find a solution to the “Mystery of Oak Island".

 

[Dave Rishar]

I think they recognized the miracle of the shapes of this stuff when showed, and from the meetings they had made an allegiance to a peaceful coexistence with the Knights who came.....escaping this slavery under the corrupt kings and queens of the times......they wanted to place the tomb here and have it undisturbed, so they probably told them it was a sacred hiding place.

Or was it because they converted to Christianity fairly early on and recognized it as a significant symbol? Or was it even because when you're engraving stones, two intersecting lines is only slightly more difficult than a single line and is easier to do than just about anything else, leading to it acquiring a certain cultural significance on its own? We have the modern explaination for things, which may or may not mean anything. We have possible reasons from antiquity...and then we have the Templars. I tend to go for the simplest reason when possible, as that's usually the correct one.

Chalking this up to the Templars requires a number of rather large leaps of faith that I'm not prepared to make. We might as well blame it on UFOs at that point; at least they're still seen by people occasionally.

you cant be in one area making that much noise with that many ships for too long, before the natives across the shores would notice and come to talk.....

Agreed. How would the locals have received visitors? As before, I'm asking the question rhetorically.

Dave, I always believed the stone was to encourage more digging but not so the digger would find anything but to set off the trap(s).

Why do it with an encrypted stone at 80 feet? A marker, encrypted or otherwise, would have done just fine at 40 feet (or even 10 feet) with significantly less work. Additionally, while an engraved stone would have interested an investor, a suitable artifact (such as the head of a broken pick) would have interested an actual digger far more, and again, it would have been less work and more plausible. So why an encrypted stone that's never been photographed and is very poorly documented?

And why trap it in the first place if it wasn't meant to be discovered? Why not just flood it from the start? Why not just throw it in the ocean? If there was something there that was meant to be recovered, why would it be booby trapped in such a way that it would be unrecoverable and signs left to encourage people to spring the trap? If it was buried someplace else entirely, why leave any sign that something might be buried there and encourage digging in the first place? The crazy fools might just dig up the entire island...as they have been for the last two centuries.

The stone only makes sense to me when considered as a planted find, except that I'm not entirely sure that it was even planted in the first place.

 

[Eldo]

There's no way to call that a planted find.

Why would it just disappear and never be seen again? While the markings were rubbed off? Sounds like a coded map would be important enough to hide, unless they gave up and said we tripped the trap, lets go and kept it as a souveneir

And if they were hiding the clues back then, why did they leave some other stuff left on the island that relates to these markings....? There are even areas that are considered triangles of stones that are interlaced into the clues....

I was reading an old history and timeline of the island, and they found TWO triangle formations, not just the one left that looks like a sextant/sailboat.......

Now we have the markings missing, and the second triangle missing on the island, with directional triangles on the stones?? Sounds like someone was hiding some clues they found in another location only 20 feet down, but nobody has done the full island scan.

 

[Not Peralta]

Eldo,have a hot with a little research if you are very lucky, you will not only find full Island scans available , but also sat imaging also, np

 

[Eldo]

The funny thing is that all of these scans do nothing for the find if the stones have been moved....

Im going off of old charts that are fairly repetitious through the sequences of hunters to represent scale and distance

The reasoning behind this lack of Sat images here is that most the Landat 7+8's are the best res on google earth....the others arent as close up when you use NASA or the mining sites.

google keeps certain levels of focus blurred for privacy, but you can buy a shot of the area you are looking if its in public land......from a professional High Res Sat Photo company

the real good mining maps are good, but fail to get the focus were looking for.



Google is focusing on the street views, cities, and other denser areas of use for perks....Im waiting till the entire mapped globe is available to hunt these markers better....

if it happens, great, if not then I can always jsut go to these places, but you loose the Bird's Eye view.....

Im not really looking that hard either

 

[Dave Rishar]

There's no way to call that a planted find.

If you're referring to the stone, I don't think that it was planted. I don't think that it ever existed to be honest, but I'm willing to consider solid evidence to the contrary...but there is none, so we can agree to disagree on this. I suspect that the conveniant timing with which it was "found" may have played a role in what it supposedly said, and why no one can find it today.

Why would it just disappear and never be seen again? While the markings were rubbed off? Sounds like a coded map would be important enough to hide, unless they gave up and said we tripped the trap, lets go and kept it as a souveneir

Also sounds like one of what was many things, spanning many decades, that turned up just when the money was running out and more investors were needed. Coincidence? You decide. (I also find it interesting that the nature of the "finds" changes with the prevailing treasure theories of the time. Also a coincidence? Again, you decide.)

And if they were hiding the clues back then, why did they leave some other stuff left on the island that relates to these markings....?

The answer to both concerns should be quite obvious at this point. There is a logical answer here, but it's one that you don't seem to care for.

 

[Eldo]

Trust me I care.....lol

I am certain the pit existed before the Pirates of the times were in the area, and that there were numerous uses......but more than likely they are all gone......

I know the pit is a distraction/diversion and that there never was any treasure there, that it is merely a novelty item.

what I do know was that there was also another rock triangle there and that there is no longer this guide marker to the 20' deep trove somewhere on the island, found by following the calculations derived from the directional symbols on the rock found in the pit.

someone couldnt find it and took the stones, or dug the whole area up out of frustration.....but numerous attempts were made to find this second area in the past.

 

[Dave Rishar]

Trust me I care.....lol

I trust that you care very much about this topic. I'm not so sure that you care about a logical solution supported by factual evidence though.

I am certain the pit existed before the Pirates of the times were in the area, and that there were numerous uses......but more than likely they are all gone......

If we subtract faith from the equation, how can anyone be certain of something like this?

I know the pit is a distraction/diversion and that there never was any treasure there, that it is merely a novelty item.

How can you know this when we don't even know where the original pit was?

what I do know was that there was also another rock triangle there and that there is no longer this guide marker to the 20' deep trove somewhere on the island, found by following the calculations derived from the directional symbols on the rock found in the pit.

How do you know this?

If I wanted to hide a treasure on an island, why the hell would I leave a decoy suggesting a buried treasure on that very same island? Why not place the decoy somewhere else? Why leave any decoy at all? Why give someone a reason to go looking for treasure in the correct general area when they'd otherwise have no reason to do so? And why spend so much time and effort on such an elaborate deception when a simple rock with an X carved on it would have done the job just as effectively? Hell, why not leave 100 carved stones all over the island? How many holes would someone have to dig before they figured that someone was having fun at their expense? (Particularly if the treasure was someplace else entirely...say, back in Europe where it could actually be monitored.) How is this at all logical? Why would someone go through all of this effort only to make their task of hiding the treasure more difficult?

This is really what bothers me the most, moreso than the lack of evidence, the changing stories, etc. It simply doesn't make sense, not on the macro level and not on the micro level either. The general story falls apart under scrutiny, but so do each of the individual parts of it. Nothing about this legend is sensible. It's a great story though, and if email and Facebook have taught us anything, it's that otherwise-sensible human beings lose their damned minds when presented with a good story and enjoy nothing more than passing it along, often with a slight twist. If you were to push me on my theory about the Money Pit, this would be it: a story that has been passed along for centuries, and has gotten quite a bit better than how it originally was in the process.

someone couldnt find it and took the stones, or dug the whole area up out of frustration.....but numerous attempts were made to find this second area in the past.

People have been digging the whole area up out of frustration for centuries now. They're still doing it today. I expect that they'll be doing it after I'm dead and gone. It could be that they're digging in the wrong spots, but it's more likely that there simply isn't anything there. There aren't too many spots left to dig up in any case.

 

[bigscoop]

It's interesting that when old shafts are found in the west everyone says, and readily agrees, "mine". No big mystery, no worldly and ancient buried treasure. But on an island on the east coast, well, that thing has to be there for something really huge and really special.

 

[jeff of pa]

what I really have to laugh at is they really don't know where the Original pit is on the Island.

Their Drill bit is How wide ?

How long would it take to Drill holes all over the Island in order to find that
(Needle in the Hay stack ) original Pit ?

& since there has been digging for centuries, How do they ID the Original Digging ?

add to that they use that Little Drill Setup expecting it to turn a bit
at any real Depth this has to be staged just for the drama.

I'm starting to look forward to the search for Giants afterward.

 

[Old Silver]

what I really have to laugh at is they really don't know where the Original pit is on the Island.

Their Drill bit is How wide ?

How long would it take to Drill holes all over the Island in order to find that
(Needle in the Hay stack ) original Pit ?

& since there has been digging for centuries, How do they ID the Original Digging ?

add to that they use that Little Drill Setup expecting it to turn a bit
at any real Depth this has to be staged just for the drama.

I'm starting to look forward to the search for Giants afterward.

It was definitely staged, just as everything in the show was staged. What I don't get is why people can't seem to separate a supposed treasure from a Hollywood production about a supposed treasure. Both may be bogus, but the TV production is certainly bogus. The proof is in the watching.

 

[jeff of pa]

& they are gonna What ? test the dirt at the bottom of the hole for Age ?

how old is dirt anyway ?

of course since I feel as old as dirt, it may be 59

 

[Old Silver]

According to the show, they are hoping to hit something man made, below a certain level. Whatever.

 

[jeff of pa]

According to the show, they are hoping to hit something man made, below a certain level. Whatever.

HaHa !

well considering the size of the Island,
& the size of a drill bit,
If they drill down & pull up a Button, I know I'll be calling B.S.
even though I won't have to under those circumstances

 

[Gold Maven]

That Pulitzer is a nut job.

My guess is major talker, & BSer. One design carved on a rock, 40 miles from Oak Island, and he has a "100%certain ", elaborate meaning.

It's just an 8 pointed star.... I doodled designs like that on my notebook when I was in grade school. Wait a minute.....maybe I was trying to tell myself where a treasure was buried.....I got to go look for that notebook.

 

[jeff of pa]

That Pulitzer is a nut job.

My guess is major talker, & BSer. One design carved on a rock, 40 miles from Oak Island, and he has a "100%certain ", elaborate meaning.

It's just an 8 pointed star.... I doodled designs like that on my notebook when I was in grade school. Wait a minute.....maybe I was trying to tell myself where a treasure was buried.....I got to go look for that notebook.

don't stop at Exxon & buy a Box of Oreo's if your with these guys





ooh look at all the little crosses on that oreo.

They will be using them as a Map along the Yellow brick road

 

[ScubaFinder]

Dangitt Jeff, you ate part of my treasure map, now I'll never find the lost Nabisco gold. Oh wait, the logo points the way, the treasure is up and to the left.

I agree some of the speculation is laughable. However, if everyone took the pessimistic viewpoint of every treasure legend, I don't think much would ever be found. Just sayin'.