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Well it rained from morning to night on the 22nd and the whole next day too. Was getting tired of
all the rain, and everything was just wet, wet and wet. Anyway on the 24th we had company, and
wanted to go to the "Museum of the 20th Century" here in Hoorn, where I had never been.

Anyway, because like most cities nowadays in Europe, we had to park quite a way from the center
of town, and walked there, but we had planned to walk around anyway. Along the way we walked
to the harbor along the large lake (Ijsselmeer) which is next to Hoorn. There was still ice on the lake
in several places, and a bit of ice that had been pushed by the wind upon the rocks.

Our family professor trying out the ice...
DSCN2781a.jpg


Then we got to the Museum.... It was pretty neat to see things that your grandmother and mother
used, how they lived, and what they had back then (not much, not even an ipod!). From old cereal
boxes to old gramophones players and such, just neat. Also old TVs playing Dallas and Thunderbirds!
And the clothes they wore back then. Just a lot of stuff.. My wife was also completely surprised
by the wedding dresses to see a wedding photo of her sister in her wedding dress hanging there!

museumvan20thcentury.jpg

http://www.museumhoorn.nl/createsite/page/createpage.asp?b_id=5548&pg=13

Then we walked further by the harbor back to the car (after a pint at the local bar) and I saw a good site
(we are ALWAYS looking for places, ain't we? AND with our eyes glued to the ground, not looking around
like the other people!) a place where the city had removed the old plants and bushes and were planting new
things. But it was a Saturday, they were not there, and because of the rain they could not finish the project.
So in the morning, pack up the detector and away I was.

Don't have any photo of the site though, didn't have my camera with me when I went back, but here is the
place, right in the old part of town; see the red arrow :
harborHoorn-1.jpg


Well didn't really find anything exceptional but the weather was perfect, full sun and the only bothersome
thing was all the people strolling around, got many questions "What have you found?", and that sort of
thing, and kids following me, but all in all it was a nice couple of hours. Of course the small area has
been there for centuries and the most of the finds were recent, pull tabs, parts of shredded cola cans,
pieces of tinfoil, and all that junk. In between I found some stuff, but not really top finds, but it was
nice searching anyway.

finds25jan-1.jpg


1) a birds leg still inside the ring from 1945
2) a silver coin from West Friesland 1671
3) a good small jeton
4) silver button, but holed! darn it.
5) a small ring with stone, but from copper
6) a money clip, but without the cash! darn it again.

The neatest find from all of these is the birds ring with leg. I will report it to that club and
and see what they say.

Well anyway I was off the streets yesterday, really nothing for my display cases, but it was
nice to be outdoors again!
 
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Re: Second hunt after the freeze in Holland!______BIRD BONE UPDATE

Woody50 said:
robfinds said:
Hello Woody, I had both these rings yesterday, one of them is similar to yours although from the fifties. On the ring it says NU which I think stands for National Union (pigeon racing club of GB). I think yours could be a messinger pigeon ring rather than a racing pigeon ring. The modern plastic coated ring was found below a power pylon, pigeons frequently hit the power lines when flying in poor light.

HH Robert.
Thanks for this information Robert. There seems to be more letters/numbers on you NU ring, can you read it? If the number is a date on my ring (1945) it sure could be a message pigeon.
Hello Woody, the ring is a bit corroded but it appears to say NURP 56 SE8988. 56 is the date, SE8988 must be the birds serial number, NURP I think national union of racing pigeons.
 
Re: Second hunt after the freeze in Holland!______BIRD BONE UPDATE

robfinds said:
Woody50 said:
robfinds said:
Hello Woody, I had both these rings yesterday, one of them is similar to yours although from the fifties. On the ring it says NU which I think stands for National Union (pigeon racing club of GB). I think yours could be a messinger pigeon ring rather than a racing pigeon ring. The modern plastic coated ring was found below a power pylon, pigeons frequently hit the power lines when flying in poor light.

HH Robert.
Thanks for this information Robert. There seems to be more letters/numbers on you NU ring, can you read it? If the number is a date on my ring (1945) it sure could be a message pigeon.
Hello Woody, the ring is a bit corroded but it appears to say NURP 56 SE8988. 56 is the date, SE8988 must be the birds serial number, NURP I think national union of racing pigeons.

Hoi Robert... NURP, I could not find any information about a NURP organization, I have seen that many famous (and I guess
not famous) pigeons are ringed with NURP though. So what exactly that means I have not been able to find out. It's funny
just doing some searching and research and you enter an unknown area, I never realized what pigeons really did in all the
wars and other times. The Dickens Medal was created to honor animals whose gallantry and value and service to man was
outstanding. For instance this one who flew in WWII in Holland:

William of Orange - Award: May 1945 "For delivering a message from the Arnhem Airborne Operation in record time for any
single pigeon, while serving with the APS in September, 1944". This pigeon was released at 4.30am with an important dispatch
and performed the unequalled feat of covering 260 miles, 135 of them over the sea, in 4 hours 25 minutes to his home loft.
The flying speed was therefore 1,740 yards per minute, nearly 60 miles an hour, showing great endurance and determination.
William of Orange was bred by Sir William Proctor Smith of Bexton House, Bexton, near Knutsford. He was trained by the Army
Pigeon Service and at the end of the war Sir William bought William of Orange "out of service" for 135 pounds and ten years later
it was recorded that he was still alive although he was too old to race or breed. Lady Smith, presented the Dickin Medal, that had
been awarded to William of Orange, to the Royal Signals Museum in 1965.

And about your NURP

http://www.pigeoncenter.org/militarypigeons.html

A complete list of pigeons awarded "THE DICKEN MEDAL"

NEHU.40.NS.1 - Blue Cheq. Hen "Winkie"
MEPS.43.1263 - Red Cheq. Cock "George"
SURP.41.L.3089 - White Hen "White Vision"
NPS.41.NS.4230 - "Beachbomber"
NPS.42.31066 - Grizzle Cock "Gustav"
NPS.43.94451 - Dark Cheq. Cock "Paddy"
NURP.36.JH.190 - Dark Cheq. Hen "Kenley Lass"
NURP.38.EGU.242 - Red Cheq. Cock "Commando"
NPS.42.NS.44802 - Dark Cheq. Cock "Flying Dutchman"
NURP.40.GVIS.453- Blue Cock "Royal Blue"
NURP.41.A.2164 - "Dutch Coast"
NPS.41.NS.2862 - Blue Cock "Navy Blue"
NPS.42.NS.15125 - Mealy Cock "William of Orange"
NPS.43.29018 - Dark Cheq. Cock "Ruhr Express"
NPS.42.21610 - B.C. Hen "Scotch Lass"
NU.41.HQ.4373 - Blue Cock "Billy"
NURP.39.NRS.144 - Red Cock "Cologne"
NPS.42.36392 - "Maquis"
NPS.42.NS.7542 -
41.BA.2793 - "Broad Arrow"
NURP.39.SDS.39 - "All Alone"
NURP.37.CEN.335 - "Mercury"
NURP.38.BPC.6 -
DD.43.T.139 -
DDD.43.Q.879 -
NURP.41.SBC.219 - Cock "Duke of Normandy"
NURP.43.CC.2418 - B.C. Hen
NURP.40.WLE.249 - "Mary"
NURP.41.DHZ.56 - "Tommy"
42.WD.593 - "Princess"
USA.43.SC.6390 - "G.I. Joe"

So NURP was an orginaziton but maybe has been closed down, or had a name change, it was
used quite a bit for the pigeons.

56 must be 1956, you are right there... and the SE number their code.

Understanding how to read a pigeon band (this appears to be for American pigeons, but there are other
codes you can find for other countries.

The American Racing Pigeon Union registered bands have a specific format. Once you understand how
to read the band number, you will find it easy to locate the club that issued the band on our Band List page.
Band numbers are in a series of letters & numbers as shown below.
EXAMPLE= the band may read-->AU 99 ABC 1234
(1) - AU - is the national organization that has registered the bird, in this case the American Racing Pigeon
Union, Inc. The band can also have IF, CU, ATB, NBRC, or IPB in this position.
(2) - 99 - is the year the bird was hatched and banded/registered.
(3) - ABC - is a letters representing the pigeon club the band is registered to (no two clubs have the same
registration letters - and they have one, two or three letters).
(4) - 1234 - A one-up number unique to each pigeon based on the club letters. Now that you understand
how to read the band, you can go back to our band list to find the club that the bird you found belongs to.
Example Band Code: AU 2003 AVI 3234534
AU = American Racing Pigeon Union
2003 = Year The Bird Was Banded
AVI = Club Code
3234534 = Individual Bird (Serial #)

If the band has different letters than AU, it may be another organization.
If the band has the letters CU. you can find their band list at http://www.canadianracingpigeonunion.com/
If the band has the letters IF. you can find their band list at http://www.ifpigeon.com/
If the band has the letters NPA. you can contact them at http://www.npausa.com/
If the band has the letters IPB. you can contact them at foyspigeon@zoominternet.net , or their store at 877-355-7727
NBRC - www.nbrconline.com
If the band has the letters ADA, please contact the American Dove Association
 
Re: Second hunt after the freeze in Holland!______BIRD BONE UPDATE

Woody50 said:
robfinds said:
Woody50 said:
robfinds said:
Hello Woody, I had both these rings yesterday, one of them is similar to yours although from the fifties. On the ring it says NU which I think stands for National Union (pigeon racing club of GB). I think yours could be a messinger pigeon ring rather than a racing pigeon ring. The modern plastic coated ring was found below a power pylon, pigeons frequently hit the power lines when flying in poor light.

HH Robert.
Thanks for this information Robert. There seems to be more letters/numbers on you NU ring, can you read it? If the number is a date on my ring (1945) it sure could be a message pigeon.
Hello Woody, the ring is a bit corroded but it appears to say NURP 56 SE8988. 56 is the date, SE8988 must be the birds serial number, NURP I think national union of racing pigeons.

Hoi Robert... NURP, I could not find any information about a NURP organization, I have seen that many famous (and I guess
not famous) pigeons are ringed with NURP though. So what exactly that means I have not been able to find out. It's funny
just doing some searching and research and you enter an unknown area, I never realized what pigeons really did in all the
wars and other times. The Dickens Medal was created to honor animals whose gallantry and value and service to man was
outstanding. For instance this one who flew in WWII in Holland:

William of Orange - Award: May 1945 "For delivering a message from the Arnhem Airborne Operation in record time for any
single pigeon, while serving with the APS in September, 1944". This pigeon was released at 4.30am with an important dispatch
and performed the unequalled feat of covering 260 miles, 135 of them over the sea, in 4 hours 25 minutes to his home loft.
The flying speed was therefore 1,740 yards per minute, nearly 60 miles an hour, showing great endurance and determination.
William of Orange was bred by Sir William Proctor Smith of Bexton House, Bexton, near Knutsford. He was trained by the Army
Pigeon Service and at the end of the war Sir William bought William of Orange "out of service" for 135 pounds and ten years later
it was recorded that he was still alive although he was too old to race or breed. Lady Smith, presented the Dickin Medal, that had
been awarded to William of Orange, to the Royal Signals Museum in 1965.

And about your NURP

http://www.pigeoncenter.org/militarypigeons.html

A complete list of pigeons awarded "THE DICKEN MEDAL"

NEHU.40.NS.1 - Blue Cheq. Hen "Winkie"
MEPS.43.1263 - Red Cheq. Cock "George"
SURP.41.L.3089 - White Hen "White Vision"
NPS.41.NS.4230 - "Beachbomber"
NPS.42.31066 - Grizzle Cock "Gustav"
NPS.43.94451 - Dark Cheq. Cock "Paddy"
NURP.36.JH.190 - Dark Cheq. Hen "Kenley Lass"
NURP.38.EGU.242 - Red Cheq. Cock "Commando"
NPS.42.NS.44802 - Dark Cheq. Cock "Flying Dutchman"
NURP.40.GVIS.453- Blue Cock "Royal Blue"
NURP.41.A.2164 - "Dutch Coast"
NPS.41.NS.2862 - Blue Cock "Navy Blue"
NPS.42.NS.15125 - Mealy Cock "William of Orange"
NPS.43.29018 - Dark Cheq. Cock "Ruhr Express"
NPS.42.21610 - B.C. Hen "Scotch Lass"
NU.41.HQ.4373 - Blue Cock "Billy"
NURP.39.NRS.144 - Red Cock "Cologne"
NPS.42.36392 - "Maquis"
NPS.42.NS.7542 -
41.BA.2793 - "Broad Arrow"
NURP.39.SDS.39 - "All Alone"
NURP.37.CEN.335 - "Mercury"
NURP.38.BPC.6 -
DD.43.T.139 -
DDD.43.Q.879 -
NURP.41.SBC.219 - Cock "Duke of Normandy"
NURP.43.CC.2418 - B.C. Hen
NURP.40.WLE.249 - "Mary"
NURP.41.DHZ.56 - "Tommy"
42.WD.593 - "Princess"
USA.43.SC.6390 - "G.I. Joe"

So NURP was an orginaziton but maybe has been closed down, or had a name change, it was
used quite a bit for the pigeons.

56 must be 1956, you are right there... and the SE number their code.

Understanding how to read a pigeon band (this appears to be for American pigeons, but there are other
codes you can find for other countries.

The American Racing Pigeon Union registered bands have a specific format. Once you understand how
to read the band number, you will find it easy to locate the club that issued the band on our Band List page.
Band numbers are in a series of letters & numbers as shown below.
EXAMPLE= the band may read-->AU 99 ABC 1234
(1) - AU - is the national organization that has registered the bird, in this case the American Racing Pigeon
Union, Inc. The band can also have IF, CU, ATB, NBRC, or IPB in this position.
(2) - 99 - is the year the bird was hatched and banded/registered.
(3) - ABC - is a letters representing the pigeon club the band is registered to (no two clubs have the same
registration letters - and they have one, two or three letters).
(4) - 1234 - A one-up number unique to each pigeon based on the club letters. Now that you understand
how to read the band, you can go back to our band list to find the club that the bird you found belongs to.
Example Band Code: AU 2003 AVI 3234534
AU = American Racing Pigeon Union
2003 = Year The Bird Was Banded
AVI = Club Code
3234534 = Individual Bird (Serial #)

If the band has different letters than AU, it may be another organization.
If the band has the letters CU. you can find their band list at http://www.canadianracingpigeonunion.com/
If the band has the letters IF. you can find their band list at http://www.ifpigeon.com/
If the band has the letters NPA. you can contact them at http://www.npausa.com/
If the band has the letters IPB. you can contact them at foyspigeon@zoominternet.net , or their store at 877-355-7727
NBRC - www.nbrconline.com
If the band has the letters ADA, please contact the American Dove Association
Nice one Woody, nothing like this hobby for expanding our knowledge through our finds.
 
Re: Second hunt after the freeze in Holland!______BIRD BONE UPDATE

robfinds said:
Nice one Woody, nothing like this hobby for expanding our knowledge through our finds.
Thanks Rob, a bit of knowledge or research never hurts. You just never know when you might need it.
I have in my metal detecting days a few of these bird rings, but never took the time to take it further.
I was very surprised how smart and good are, especially that they mate for life (just like WE should but
don't). I hate them in the cities though!
 
Re: Second hunt after the freeze in Holland!______BIRD BONE UPDATE

Great post and an intriguing find!! :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Good luck on the hunt for info on your band. I found an AU band from 1964, and received this response from the American Union:

"The AU does indicate that it belonged to a member of our organization. We don't have records that old. Most old archived records were lost in a tornado in 1999. "

You just never know what's going to stand in the way of your research.

Again, great post, Woody! Thanks for the excellent pics! :wink:
Neil
 
Re: Second hunt after the freeze in Holland!______BIRD BONE UPDATE

kimsdad said:
Great post and an intriguing find!! :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Good luck on the hunt for info on your band. I found an AU band from 1964, and received this response from the American Union:
"The AU does indicate that it belonged to a member of our organization. We don't have records that old. Most old archived records were lost in a tornado in 1999. "
You just never know what's going to stand in the way of your research.
Again, great post, Woody! Thanks for the excellent pics! :wink:
Neil
Hi Neil, WOW. Just to think about something like that! Records destroyed by a tornado. Pity that they did not have those in a safe place, makes you think (THINK ABOUT THIS, anyone living in the tornado alley!).

Thanks for enjoying it! I will be looking (someplace in my mess-es) for my other bands now. They are the newer kind, not what I found this time, but covered with plastic. Jeeze, I still can't feel free about the records being destroyed by a tornado... what a pity.

About the pics, maybe a tip for people. I didn't read my manual with my Nikon 8700. Had problems getting things in focus. Someone pushed my button when I said I could not take good macro photos. The trick was to zoom in until the macro icon turned green. Didn't know that, thought I knew everything! Jeeze am I stupid sometimes......
 
Received some information from a Polish collector of bird rings, who lives in Dortmund Germany.
He has a number of these rings.

The 45 on the ring pertains to the year, which is then 1945.

The 1945 on the ring does not pertain to the year (although it is the same) but to the breeder of the
dove or pigeon, but its no longer possible to find the breeder from the number.

So we know a little more!
 
It was a good hunt whilst it lasted ;D Now how about you track down some of those Airborne pigeons from 44 ::)
 
Harry_Morant said:
It was a good hunt whilst it lasted ;D Now how about you track down some of those Airborne pigeons from 44 ::)
OK, how many do you want?
 

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