SLAVE COLLAR ?

[mojjax]

I WAS HELPINE MY NEIGHBOR TEAR DOWN HIS OLD BARN UP HERE IN MAINE AND WE FOUND THIS OLD LEATHER COLLAR IN A CRAWL SPACE UNDER SOME FLOOR BOARDS . THE BRASS TAG SAYS : JAMES N. O. BOE
B . 1815
IT SEEMS ODD THAT A FAMILY PET WOULD HAVE SUCH A LONG NAME AND A BORN DATE ON ITS COLLAR . IT'S RATHER SMALL , INSIDE DIAMETER IS 4 1/4 INCHES . THE BUCKLE HAS A ''RING '' HASP WHERE A SMALL PADLOCK MAY HAVE BEEN . THE RING SHOWS LOTS OF WEAR . ANY IDEAS??

 

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[SODABOTTLEBOB]

It's likely that others have seen this on eBay, but I thought I'd post it anyway. You may have to do a zoom of some sort, but notice the similarity of the collar on the night stand and the one in question. It appears to have both the name plate, as well as the so called "padlock ring." The padlock ring on your's as well as in the photo below appear to be crimped shut with a small gap, thus somewhat easy for someone to give it a hefty twist and remove padlock.

The seller claims this is a reproduction postcard from an original done circa 1900.

PRINT OF BLACK AND WHITE DOG LAYING IN BED UNDER COVERS WITH BANDAGES ON HEAD AND FOOT~BOTTLE OF MEDICINE, PILLS, OINTMENT, DOG COLLAR AND NIGHTSTAND NEXT TO BED~HE is nursing himself to health,,,,never framed, orig done circa 1900.

 

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[72cheyenne]

Talk about a blast from the past . I think this was one of my first posts on Tnet , I can't believe I used all capitals

Wow, I didn't even realize this was a post from 2005! Cool.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

I was searching TN for something else and this old post caught my attention. A quick google and only one other hit, also in Maine, so I posted my findings.

 

[72cheyenne]

I was searching TN for something else and this old post caught my attention. A quick google and only one other hit, also in Maine, so I posted my findings.

Just goes to show you how valueable a resource we have here in TNet.

 

[rmptr]

OK, I'll weigh in on this one...

Since it is made of leather and actually could be cut off, I'll guess it was a license used for 'trusted chattel' who might be sent into town, or some other plantation on business, traveling over public roads.

Chattel less trusted would get a more substantial metal ring and probably not even be allowed off the master's property, under peril of harsh punishment.

This one is leather, to cause the least discomfort, studded to promote it's substantial nature, and provided with a provision for a lock most likely to satisfy requirements of law.

How's that for a wild guess ?
I don't have any pics to substantiate my guess.

************
Nah...
Belay all that above.
It's a dog collar.
The 'D' ring is for attachment of a leash.

 

[johnnyi]

I'm mainly just posting to get Email notices on a most interesting item.

But if it were to come to a vote, I would put an X in the box next to ...

"Old dog collar with owner's name and reference number."

SDBB

Mojjax -

Question: Do you know when the barn was built? If collar was "under" the floor boards, it might have been there since day one.

Being so small, I'll bet the little critter was a terrier who lost it while "ratting" under those floor boards.

 

[SODABOTTLEBOB]

Interesting observation that johnnyi made ... which leads me to dumb question number two:

Was the collar buckled shut or unbuckled when found?

And one additional observation of my own while I'm here ...

If it is some type of slave collar, wouldn't it be easy just to cut it off with a knife?

From the internet surfing I've done, I discovered that most if not all Slave related restraints were made of heavy iron and chain. The only things I found so far made of leather were various types of whips. I realize the search continues, but personally I'm still leaning toward the dog collar theory.

Thanks.

SDBB

 

[jeff of pa]

Interesting observation that johnnyi made ... which leads me to dumb question number two:

Was the collar buckled shut or unbuckled when found?

And one additional observation of my own while I'm here ...

If it is some type of slave collar, wouldn't it be easy just to cut it off with a knife?

From the internet surfing I've done, I discovered that most if not all Slave related restraints were made of heavy iron and chain. The only things I found so far made of leather were various types of whips. I realize the search continues, but personally I'm still leaning toward the dog collar theory.

Thanks.

SDBB

From the Evidence Givin
I'm inclined to believe it was a Dogs Collar
& The owners Name.

As for Slaves & Don't think Many Slaves were Unhappy
being Slaves & Wouldn't have Ran anyway.

The exceptions may have Been ones Treated
as dogsThough.

 

[Iron Patch]

Interesting observation that johnnyi made ... which leads me to dumb question number two:

Was the collar buckled shut or unbuckled when found?

And one additional observation of my own while I'm here ...

If it is some type of slave collar, wouldn't it be easy just to cut it off with a knife?

From the internet surfing I've done, I discovered that most if not all Slave related restraints were made of heavy iron and chain. The only things I found so far made of leather were various types of whips. I realize the search continues, but personally I'm still leaning toward the dog collar theory.

Thanks.

SDBB

As for Slaves & Don't think Many Slaves were Unhappy
being Slaves & Wouldn't have Ran anyway.

So a leather collar would have just been something like a status symbol? Hey, look at me, still stylin' and slavin' away!

 

[shaun7]

Interesting observation that johnnyi made ... which leads me to dumb question number two:

Was the collar buckled shut or unbuckled when found?

And one additional observation of my own while I'm here ...

If it is some type of slave collar, wouldn't it be easy just to cut it off with a knife?

From the internet surfing I've done, I discovered that most if not all Slave related restraints were made of heavy iron and chain. The only things I found so far made of leather were various types of whips. I realize the search continues, but personally I'm still leaning toward the dog collar theory.

Thanks.

SDBB

As for Slaves & Don't think Many Slaves were Unhappy
being Slaves & Wouldn't have Ran anyway.

So a leather collar would have just been something like a status symbol? Hey, look at me, still stylin' and slavin' away!

 

[jeff of pa]

So a leather collar would have just been something like a status symbol? Hey, look at me, still stylin' and slavin' away!

Yep

Rockin'est Slave in in town

 

[stefen]

A sure way to find out if the collar was used for a dog or a man...since its leather, have a scraping analysed for DNA...

All WAGS would go to the wayside...

And how much does a DNA analysis cost?

Typically, a test is less than $80.

If this is in fact a slave collar, a DNA test would assist to support any claims thereof. However, if the test discerns it to be a dog collar, then its market value is null. Is this an $8000 historic relic or an $8 dollar bazrn find?...testing will prove out in the end.

Since a persons name is also involved, a historical search and any connection to slavery would add additional support to the claim.

(Being of Irish decent, however, does not eliminate the slavery connection...in fact, many people from the southern states can claim Irish roots.)

I feel that if a person is making the claim, he or she needs to step up to the plate and support said claim. In this instance, there is a question mark which means the claim is uncertain...hence, a question

 

[SODABOTTLEBOB]

I'm sure that most of us who have been Internet surfing on this subject have all seen similar photos as the ones below, but thought I would share with those who have not and are curious what the every day slave collar looked like. I'm not saying definitively that the collar in question is not slave related, I'm just sharing other possibilities that I feel are worthy of consideration.

Thanks.

SDBB


Quote related to first photo ...

Slave collar :

Slave collars made of iron were used to discipline and identify slaves who were considered risks of becoming runaways. This broken collar once had three prongs. Abolitionist Theodore Weld in his provocative treatise, "American Slavery As It Is," described the use of a similar collar on a spirited slave near Charleston, South Carolina, who served her mistress as a seamstress:

 

[shaun7]

I'm sure that most of us who have been Internet surfing on this subject have all seen similar photos as the ones below, but thought I would share with those who have not and are curious what the every day slave collar looked like. I'm not saying definitively that the collar in question is not slave related, I'm just sharing possibilities that I feel are worthy of consideration.

Thanks.

SDBB


Quote related to first photo ...

Slave collar :

Slave collars made of iron were used to discipline and identify slaves who were considered risks of becoming runaways. This broken collar once had three prongs. Abolitionist Theodore Weld in his provocative treatise, "American Slavery As It Is," described the use of a similar collar on a spirited slave near Charleston, South Carolina, who served her mistress as a seamstress:

Nice!

 

[stefen]

There are no rules for cruelity...

I'm sure all societies have their standard bearers...

Water boarding seems to be the latest trend

 

[cw0909]

i agree dog collar
found a slave collar and tags, pins

i think ive seen a piece of the pins here on tnet

slave pins........
wrought-iron pins held together by a large iron loop. Both measure 20" with a 4" iron ring.
Three sets of these were used to constrain a slave to the ground. Two sets for both hands
and one set for the feet. These were driven in the ground on a reverse angle to prohibit the
pins from being extricated from the ground.

link of info, an ebay store
http://www.historicalshop.com/sitecontents/africanamerican/aahist.htm

the tin collar
http://www.scribd.com/doc/2541625/The-Slave-Plantations

one more type of slave collar
http://www.greencastlemuseum.org/Collections/slave_collar.htm

Total Slave Population in US 1790-1860, by State
Census
Year 1790 1800 1810 1820 1830 1840 1850 1860
Maine - - - - 2 - - -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_the_United_States

 

[shaun7]

There are no rules for cruelity...

I'm sure all societies have their standard bearers...

Water boarding seems to be the latest trend

I wasn't having a pop there Stefen, I'm sure we can't shout

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

i agree dog collar
found a slave collar and tags, pins

i think ive seen a piece of the pins here on tnet

4H may have found a piece like that in North Carolina. Cant find the post.

 

[SODABOTTLEBOB]

cw0909

This may be the item you were referring to. It was originally posted in the Tnet "What Is It?" forum on November 4, 2009, under the title "Not a clue." The photo below was post #20 and is said to be a Civil War era tent spike.

SDBB

 

[Goodyguy]

What is the length of that stake?
Perhaps it could have been used to stake an animal due to the swivel.

That could be the stake that old James N.O. Boe used for his terrier.
GG~