SLAVE COLLAR ?

[mojjax]

I WAS HELPINE MY NEIGHBOR TEAR DOWN HIS OLD BARN UP HERE IN MAINE AND WE FOUND THIS OLD LEATHER COLLAR IN A CRAWL SPACE UNDER SOME FLOOR BOARDS . THE BRASS TAG SAYS : JAMES N. O. BOE
B . 1815
IT SEEMS ODD THAT A FAMILY PET WOULD HAVE SUCH A LONG NAME AND A BORN DATE ON ITS COLLAR . IT'S RATHER SMALL , INSIDE DIAMETER IS 4 1/4 INCHES . THE BUCKLE HAS A ''RING '' HASP WHERE A SMALL PADLOCK MAY HAVE BEEN . THE RING SHOWS LOTS OF WEAR . ANY IDEAS??

 

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[Breezie]

It was not uncommon during the Victorian times to have the owner's name/state on a Slave Collar or a Dog Collar. Here is the caption which goes with the pic below: A brass slave collar engraved with the name of Montgomery County, N.Y., slave owner John S. Glenn is among recent additions to the New York State Museum collections, and is now on view at the museum.

Mmmm, slaves above the Mason-Dixon line, imagine that? (Sorry, couldn't resist that one lol)

The 2nd pic is of an Antique Dog Collar, and the website gives the details:
http://parishotelboutique.blogspot.com/2008/08/vies-de-chiens-lives-of-dogs.html

Your collar could be either; depending on the size. Unbuckled, what does it measure from tip to tip? I'm voting Victorian DOG COLLAR because of the spikes and size. Breezie

 

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[johnnyi]

It looks almost certainly to be a dog collar with a personal registration tag of some sort ("b" may actually stand for bitch?). The stitching looks machine made, the roller buckle and tag loop are cosistant with today's dog collars, those look like machine made rivets, block letters, even the decorative studs say "dog". It is a cool collar though

 

[Iron Patch]

It was not uncommon during the Victorian times to have the owner's name/state on a Slave Collar or a Dog Collar. Here is the caption which goes with the pic below: A brass slave collar engraved with the name of Montgomery County, N.Y., slave owner John S. Glenn is among recent additions to the New York State Museum collections, and is now on view at the museum.

Mmmm, slaves above the Mason-Dixon line, imagine that? (Sorry, couldn't resist that one lol)

The 2nd pic is of an Antique Dog Collar, and the website gives the details:
http://parishotelboutique.blogspot.com/2008/08/vies-de-chiens-lives-of-dogs.html

Your collar could be either; depending on the size. Unbuckled, what does it measure from tip to tip? I'm voting Victorian DOG COLLAR because of the spikes and size. Breezie

Wow! I had no idea there was dog slaves. From what I've read above I have to conclude most must have been Irish Terriers. Poor things.

 

[Goodyguy]

Typically a dog collar would have the owners name on it, for return to owner purposes.

Could, B 1815, have been a ph # or address?

 

[jeff of pa]

Typically a dog collar would have the owners name on it, for return to owner purposes.

Could, B 1815, have been a ph # or address?

This could be Possible

 

[Breezie]

Typically a dog collar would have the owners name on it, for return to owner purposes.

Could, B 1815, have been a ph # or address?

In the late Victorian period, phone calls were made to a switchboard/center, and the caller asked for the person by name, not number. Even after the assignment of numbers (1880s), operators still connected most calls even into the early 1920s/30s/40s. I think this collar is older that the Roaring 20's, and the 1815 is a record number or possible a date of some sort. Breezie

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

There are only two hits on that name and they are both in Maine. Coincidence? I dont think so.
http://www.google.com/search?q="Jam...ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7&rlz=1I7GGLR_en

 

[Breezie]

There are only two hits on that name and they are both in Maine. Coincidence? I dont think so.
http://www.google.com/search?q="Jam...ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7&rlz=1I7GGLR_en

BCH, ^5 on your research, and aren't we just in the Christmas spirit with our avatars; lol. Breezie

 

[Goodyguy]

There are only two hits on that name and they are both in Maine. Coincidence? I dont think so.
http://www.google.com/search?q="Jam...ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7&rlz=1I7GGLR_en

How many James Boe's would have N.O. as middle initials? (or anyone else for that matter) I wonder what the initials could have stood for?

I did a search using many different common names with N.O. as middle initials and did not turn up even one hit.
So I think it's the one that bigcypresshunter found's old dog collar from the late 40's early 50's.

GG~

 

[Bramblefind]

This is odd though -

From the Portland Press Herald 9/2/1948

The father Jeppe Boe is listed in the census records as being from Denmark, born about 1868 and year of immigration to the US is listed as 1883.

Hmmm.. maybe he immigrated with his father. I will try to track that down.

 

[Bramblefind]

Ok Jeppe A. Boe immigrated to the US with his mother Marie in 1885. She was born about 1835.

Name: Marie Boe
Arrival Date: 18 Dec 1885
Estimated birth year: abt 1835
Age: 50
Gender: Female
Port of Departure: Glasgow, Scotland and Larne, Ireland
Destination: Portland,Maine
Place of Origin: Denmark
Ethnicity/Race­/Nationality: Danish
Ship Name: State of Nebraska
Port of Arrival: New York

 

[Breezie]

GREAT job Bramble. Between you and BCH, ya'll will find out what size underwear they wore! Bearing all of this in mind, I'm thinking the 1815 is the registration # for the dog. Breezie

 

[BuckleBoy]

If it's a Victorian Dog Collar, then that mutt was 60 years old. And yet I don't think this could be an earlier dog collar--say, from the 1820s or 30s, because the buckles on it are not consistent with the style of buckles in that era. The engraving on the plate is also inconsistent with letter styles from earlier times.

So either the four digit number is not a birthdate, or the collar is not a dog collar.

Were the occupants of insane asylums ever identified by a collar or tag?

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

If it's a Victorian Dog Collar, then that mutt was 60 years old. And yet I don't think this could be an earlier dog collar--say, from the 1820s or 30s, because the buckles on it are not consistent with the style of buckles in that era. The engraving on the plate is also inconsistent with letter styles from earlier times.

So either the four digit number is not a birthdate, or the collar is not a dog collar.

Were the occupants of insane asylums ever identified by a collar or tag?

I think BB is correct. This looks like a buckle my Dad had on a belt from the 1940's-50's.

 

[Tnmountains]

The collar has the brass studs they usually put into a collar to protect an animal and in this case because of the size may just be adornment. It looks it has a D ring for a lead. Could the dates represent something in the breeding line or lineage? My guesses.
Cool find Mojax

 

[Bramblefind]

Is the barn you found this in located in Portland? Is it at or near 117 Woodford St?

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Is the barn you found this in located in Portland? Is it at or near 117 Woodford St?

Were the neghbors names Weeks or Johnson?

 

[BuckleBoy]

Is the barn you found this in located in Portland? Is it at or near 117 Woodford St?

Were the neghbors names Weeks or Johnson?

And did one of them wear glasses and walk with a limp?

 

[mojjax]

Is the barn you found this in located in Portland? Is it at or near 117 Woodford St?

No, it was in Yarmouth , a town next to Portland . That news clipping is interesting . Thanks Bramble

Talk about a blast from the past . I think this was one of my first posts on Tnet , I can't believe I used all capitals

 

[SODABOTTLEBOB]

I'm mainly just posting to get Email notices on a most interesting item.

But if it were to come to a vote, I would put an X in the box next to ...

"Old dog collar with owner's name and reference number."

SDBB

Mojjax -

Question: Do you know when the barn was built? If collar was "under" the floor boards, it might have been there since day one.