So... Please tell me Why does a metal detector cost $2499 again?

[dieselram94]

The cat looks bored. Frank..._

Lol, I never noticed the cat!

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[BC1969]

Lol me and The Redhead, both wondered if anybody would *notice* the cat under the rigs desk lol.

Mike

 

[Jason in Enid]

The cat looks bored. Frank..._

I immediately thought of the Monty Python skit.

 

[el padron]

You haven't proven squat but if it makes you feel important have at it....






American by birth, Patriot by choice.

I would rather die standing on my two feet defending our Constitution than live a lifetime on my knees......

This is your little pond Mr Moderator. As a gentleman I've made and proven my point. It would make no sense to try and teach a goldfish algebra, would it?

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

This is your little pond Mr Moderator. As a gentleman I've made and proven my point. It would make no sense to try and teach a goldfish algebra, would it?

El padron, my comments have nothing to do with being a moderator, they are strictly from my detecting experience of only 8 years which isn't a lot of time...

On another note I would be careful with the education comment/insult...






American by birth, Patriot by choice.

I would rather die standing on my two feet defending our Constitution than live a lifetime on my knees......

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

Only thing that I don't like, people think she is my daughter lol /cry

Mike

Mike, your beautiful wife is your anchor.... Your a lucky man my friend...






American by birth, Patriot by choice.

I would rather die standing on my two feet defending our Constitution than live a lifetime on my knees......

 

[BC1969]

Mike, your beautiful wife is your anchor.... Your a lucky man my friend...






American by birth, Patriot by choice.

I would rather die standing on my two feet defending our Constitution than live a lifetime on my knees......

Thanks TH, sure is, I doubt I'd still be around without her.

Mike

 

[Bottlecapbill]

Things are worth what people will pay for them. What you get is irrelevant. What you think you're getting is all that matters.

If you were out to buy a brand new home and the market value for one in a particular area was $250,000 but there was one perfectly good house just like all the others selling for $25,000 what would you think? You'd think something was wrong with it. Sure plenty of people would still seriously check it out(I would).....but the average person wouldn't even consider the $25,000 dollar home.

 

[dieselram94]

Things are worth what people will pay for them. What you get is irrelevant. What you think you're getting is all that matters.

If you were out to buy a brand new home and the market value for one in a particular area was $250,000 but there was one perfectly good house just like all the others selling for $25,000 what would you think? You'd think something was wrong with it. Sure plenty of people would still seriously check it out(I would).....but the average person wouldn't even consider the $25,000 dollar home.

Good point. Is that $25,000 house available with 0 down?

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[dieselram94]

0 down and no payments for 60 months!

I hope no hoa fees!

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[bigscoop]

Things are worth what people will pay for them. What you get is irrelevant. What you think you're getting is all that matters.

If you were out to buy a brand new home and the market value for one in a particular area was $250,000 but there was one perfectly good house just like all the others selling for $25,000 what would you think? You'd think something was wrong with it. Sure plenty of people would still seriously check it out(I would).....but the average person wouldn't even consider the $25,000 dollar home.

When I had my antique & collectible store I learned a valuable lesson the first month. I had an "old" antique dresser that I found in the addic of a farm, gave like $40 for it so I got a really good deal. My original thinking was to put it in my shop at a really good price so I could turn it over quickly, yet it sat there for nearly three weeks despite all of the interest it was attracting. I couldn't figure out why. One day an old antique dealer friend of mine came into the store and he bought that dresser from me, gave me $200 for it, which was my asking price, and then he told me to keep it in the store as a consigned piece and ask $500, told me I could go as low as $400, told me he'd back in a week to collect his money, less 20%. Damn if that thing didn't sell a couple of days later for something like $475. When this guy came back to collect I asked him what that was all about and he said, "People only believe they're getting something old and worth the expense when it cost them more. Putting too low of a price on anything just makes it seem less desirable, not as good of an investment. So always list them high so they feel like they're really getting something special, allow yourself a little wiggle room so they will feel like they talked you down and got a fair deal." Damn if it doesn't work! It does! Have done this many times since.

 

[el padron]

Things are worth what people will pay for them. What you get is irrelevant. What you think you're getting is all that matters.

If you were out to buy a brand new home and the market value for one in a particular area was $250,000 but there was one perfectly good house just like all the others selling for $25,000 what would you think? You'd think something was wrong with it. Sure plenty of people would still seriously check it out(I would).....but the average person wouldn't even consider the $25,000 dollar home.

I think the difference lies in the end users themselves. The self professed best and brightest of metal detector users have no Idea what it is they are buying. They have no clue that they themselves are feeding the "innovation gap" .
Things like proximity to amenities, a desirable location and the best climate would support the value of a more expensive home. buyers tend to make informed decisions and know what they are getting into.

It is a strange circumstance.
Current metal detector construction quality and technology is outdated and overpriced. Yet the demand stays strong due to word of mouth amongst a community that simply believes the cheesy advertising, and that they will "find riches beyond their wildest dreams"
The profit margins are so high, and the actual manufacturers costs are so little that when things slow down, they can simply throw in an additional "$400.00" coil in for free effortlessly, "If you buy now"

 

[bigscoop]

The self professed best and brightest of metal detector users have no Idea what it is they are buying.

I don't know if I would go that far, in fact, I would say this "very small" class of detectorist know exactly what they are buying and it is they that stand to get the most from it, overpriced or not. Some differences in machines may only seem like very tiny differences and those tiny differences may not really serve the average user, but they might easily serve the very best in this hobby. This is what I often refer to as 'the splitting of hairs" because these tiny improvements/differences won't even be effectively applied or realized by the average detectorist so they are of little consequence to many of us. So here again, value is in the hand of the user and if he's happy then let it be. What he likes or dislikes doesn't effect my personal preference or hunting enjoyment one tiny bit and I could care less how much money a manufacture is making from the sale of their machines. Good for them! I don't think free enterprise should be regulated beyond supply & demand & the competition.

 

[el padron]

I don't know if I would go that far, in fact, I would say this "very small" class of detectorist know exactly what they are buying and it is they that stand to get the most from it, overpriced or not. Some differences in machines may only seem like very tiny differences and those tiny differences may not really serve the average user, but they might easily serve the very best in this hobby. This is what I often refer to as 'the splitting of hairs" because these tiny improvements/differences won't even be effectively applied or realized by the average detectorist so they are of little consequence to many of us. So here again, value is in the hand of the user and if he's happy then let it be. What he likes or dislikes doesn't effect my personal preference or hunting enjoyment one tiny bit and I could care less how much money a manufacture is making from the sale of their machines. Good for them! I don't think free enterprise should be regulated beyond supply & demand & the competition.

In this case "the demand " needs to be more informed, and to some extent consumers should care about manufacturers profit margins.
You need to, or their respect for you will continue to decline, the adds will get cheesier, the pricing will continue to rise, the innovation will stay flat as it has for over a decade, and something that works and feels like an AT Pro will suddenly actually sell for $600 a unit.
That means you are not going to be able to replace your Sovereign GT with anything worthwhile for a long long time.....

It means even after you make another endless credit card payment you will continue to swing overpriced garbage in 97 degree Florida humidity with very little to show for it for well into the foreseable future.

 

[dieselram94]

In this case "the demand " needs to be more informed.

Kind of making a huge assumption here aren't you?

 

[Jason in Enid]

In this case "the demand " needs to be more informed.

Personally I'm happy happy that you can't afford a good detector. I sleep better at night knowing society has tiers.

 

[dieselram94]

I'm still amazed op is so wound up about this but not fuel prices...Should be mad as heck at the king for no pipeline. this does affect the masses for thousands of dollars a year...But no objection to this rip off?

 

[dirtscratcher]

I think the difference lies in the end users themselves. The self professed best and brightest of metal detector users have no Idea what it is they are buying. They have no clue that they themselves are feeding the "innovation gap" .
Things like proximity to amenities, a desirable location and the best climate would support the value of a more expensive home. buyers tend to make informed decisions and know what they are getting into.

It is a strange circumstance.
Current metal detector construction quality and technology is outdated and overpriced. Yet the demand stays strong due to word of mouth amongst a community that simply believes the cheesy advertising, and that they will "find riches beyond their wildest dreams"
The profit margins are so high, and the actual manufacturers costs are so little that when things slow down, they can simply throw in an additional "$400.00" coil in for free effortlessly, "If you buy now"

Are you trying to say I'm not going to get rich beyond my wildest dreams? Now I'm going to have to rethink this whole hobby.

 

[dieselram94]

Thinking of this thread I thought this song seemed strangely appropriate.
please click on link to hear and listen all the way through!
https://archive.org/download/ArtistUnknownDuellingDorks/Duelling_Dorks.mp3

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

In this case "the demand " needs to be more informed, and to some extent consumers should care about manufacturers profit margins.
You need to, or their respect for you will continue to decline, the adds will get cheesier, the pricing will continue to rise, the innovation will stay flat as it has for over a decade, and something that works and feels like an AT Pro will suddenly actually sell for $600 a unit.
That means you are not going to be able to replace your Sovereign GT with anything worthwhile for a long long time.....

It means even after you make another endless credit card payment you will continue to swing overpriced garbage in 97 degree Florida humidity with very little to show for it for well into the foreseable future.

Says the man who paid $52k for a Corvette in 2002..... and is worth $10k now...

My Sov GT is over 7 years old now and still working properly I bought it New for $999, I can easily get $600 just for it with the 10 inch stock coil. It also has a WOT and SEF 12x15 & 15x18 Butterfly coils .... How much do think it would be worth with all as a package deal...?

Both my excals are well over 12 years old and worth more than I paid for them when I bought them used.

They both have the reverse pinpoint mod as well as 15 inch coils and the New Detectorpro Amphibian headphones hard wired into the controls. I would have no problem getting every dime I have invested in them back if I wished to sell which I have no desire to do at this time.

I could sell my ETrac I bought used and get every dime I paid for it back....

As far as replacements for Sovereign GT the ETrac works very well on the salt water beaches and is still being sold....CTX is a great beach detector, Excaliburs are still being sold and rule the beaches.

Minelab has new PI detector out and there are inside rumors of another detector in the works from Minelab.....

The are also new detectors finding their way to US from Europe and being tested right now and will be available to the public here in near future. ....

Treasure Hunter you make a lot of good points, especially about the depreciation, but we can only resell our detectors if they are built well enough to last until we are ready to part with them. I don't mind that I paid $52, 000 for my convertible Corvette back in 2002, and now its worth $10,000. It took me past 155 miles an hour (once) and looked and felt like QUALITY....I didn't have to worry about it the entire time I've owned it either. I'm not doubting the effectiveness of the tools that we use in our hobby. My detector works fine, its great, it just feels cheap, thats all I'm saying. I have learned to live with the fact that If a squirell piss*s on it, I may well have to upgrade it to the tune of another grand or two. I mean cmon why isn't every detector at least water resistant? Like I said in an earlier post, a typical drugstore seven dollar flashlight certainly is. It often feels well made too. We put men on the moon (I'm pretty sure)......

American by birth, Patriot by choice.

I would rather die standing on my two feet defending our Constitution than live a lifetime on my knees......