So... Please tell me Why does a metal detector cost $2499 again?

[Silver Searcher]

I love all the talk about over rated depth finds it's just like the old fishing story, every time it's told the fish gets bigger

SS

 

[dirtscratcher]

I love all the talk about over rated depth finds it's just like the old fishing story, every time it's told the fish gets bigger

SS

There are places that the only silver is deep. A dealer told me of a old ball field that they cleaned all the silver out of. Well I've hunted it with several friends with popular detectors and fbs are the only ones digging old coins others don't see the deep coins or call them iron. Personally I believe in the mine labs just seen it to many times to not. If your not finding deep coins that doesn't mean they can't be there. One guy with a very popular detector thinks I plant them because his will not find them so I must be lying right.

 

[Silver Searcher]

There are places that the only silver is deep. A dealer told me of a old ball field that they cleaned all the silver out of. Well I've hunted it with several friends with popular detectors and fbs are the only ones digging old coins others don't see the deep coins or call them iron. Personally I believe in the mine labs just seen it to many times to not. If your not finding deep coins that doesn't mean they can't be there. One guy with a very popular detector thinks I plant them because his will not find them so I must be lying right.

Finding what others are missing, doesn't mean you are digging deeper.

SS

 

[dirtscratcher]

Finding what others are missing, doesn't mean you are digging deeper.

SS

When you show them where you get the signal and they don't or call it iron it does.

 

[Silver Searcher]

When you show them where you get the signal and they don't or call it iron it does.

Not if they were already reading the signal as iron (like you said) it just means they don't understand there detector.

SS

 

[dirtscratcher]

Not if they were already reading the signal as iron (like you said) it just means they don't understand there detector.

SS

What about when they get no signal? If a detector gives a signal and ids as a good target and another doesn't not see it or ids as iron I would say the one iding is a good target was the deeper detector.

 

[JR in Hohenwald TN.]

Because they're playing on the digging shows. A lot more people detecting today than ever because of them. When I started the highest price was around $600 and you could get top of the line. Middle price had great machines for $250-$300. Now, you pay in advance for alot of possible finds. YOu gotta dig alot of Lincoln pennies and dimes to pay for a $1200-$2500 machine. I've seen the Tek and Fisher dealer prices, huge markup on some. One guy text me a few weeks ago and said he got a ATpro for $430 new.

 

[Silver Searcher]

What about when they get no signal? If a detector gives a signal and ids as a good target and another doesn't not see it or ids as iron I would say the one iding is a good target was the deeper detector.

With out seeing that in person I can't comment, not ever looked at the screen on the dues to see what it's reading and never will. But if a detector is reading a signal that's deep and is iron, the user should have a idea of the mass of the signal (size)... that should make up his mind whether to dig it or not, it does with me, especially more so on a quiet site.

SS

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

I get signals that are well over 16" with my custom excals. No signals in descrimination mode at all, just barely a null in all metal. I have to remove several scoops of sand before I even get a tone..... I have owned Whites beach Hunter ID as well as Tesoro Conquistador, and a Troy X2, Minelabs I owned are deeper, nothing against Whites or Tesoro but I found the excal and Sov gt to be deeper. Even with the stock 10" on my Excal and Sov I was getting good 10 inches depth...

 

[Silver Searcher]

I get signals that are well over 16" with my custom excals. No signals in descrimination mode at all, just barely a null in all metal. I have to remove several scoops of sand before I even get a tone..... I have owned Whites beach Hunter ID as well as Tesoro Conquistador, and a Troy X2, Minelabs I owned are deeper, nothing against Whites or Tesoro but I found the excal and Sov gt to be deeper. Even with the stock 10" on my Excal and Sov I was getting good 10 inches depth...

TH...can you tell me how you know they are well over 16" in depth, sand is very unstable, even more so when you start removing it around the target.

SS

 

[dirtscratcher]

With out seeing that in person I can't comment, not ever looked at the screen on the dues to see what it's reading and never will. But if a detector is reading a signal that's deep and is iron, the user should have a idea of the mass of the signal (size)... that should make up his mind whether to dig it or not, it does with me, especially more so on a quiet site.

SS

I'll stick with one that gives a good tone and still ids good over others I've compared. I have never compared with a dues or for that matter seen one but it should be great for what they cost. I'm not defended prices but certain tech as I just picked up a explorer 11 for 275 dollars as a back up that Imo hang with anything made today but like I said that's just my opinion

 

[Jason in Enid]

I love all the talk about over rated depth finds it's just like the old fishing story, every time it's told the fish gets bigger

SS

Excuse me, did you just call me a liar?

 

[Silver Searcher]

I'll stick with one that gives a good tone and still ids good over others I've compared. I have never compared with a dues or for that matter seen one but it should be great for what they cost. I'm not defended prices but certain tech as I just picked up a explorer 11 for 275 dollars as a back up that Imo hang with anything made today but like I said that's just my opinion

You won't go far wrong with the EX11, I have always said it would be my choice of machine, if I could swing one long enough.

SS

 

[el padron]

Over and over and over and still only about half a dozen of these guys out of tens of thousands even begin to understand my point.
Everyone here constantly speaks of Mythology.

You have guys here that take defending the prices, technology, materials and workmanship on the industry standard equipment that they purchase to a personal level.


They tell me that there is no need at all for a water resistant $134 pin pointer. That I'm being unreasonable for suggesting it should have been water resistant all along.
You have others that staunchly insist that their $1600 state of the art metal detector (current model Excal II) is a well built and highly capable machine that represents a good value.

IN THE SAME SENTENCE they mention that once "Modified" it senses deeper then most others((what does that mean?).

I will tell you what "modified" means. It means they took a modern $1600 "state of the art" metal detector apart and started soldering components to it right out of the box. Then they recoated with resins and glue. A process that they share and are proud of.

Later they often resell these same detectors on the huge secondary market as somehow "improved" instead of defective. The buyer's simply just don't know any better.

These are people that are somehow proud of their "work" and the most outspoken defenders of the industry.
They still don't really know anything about what's in the cases. The won't explain it to you because they can't.

What kind of PROCESSORS drive these things. To what extent are the manufacturers spending research dollars for superior components and materials? Most detectors don't seem that well built to me.
Do the components in an Excal II cost $25 or $800?

Does anyone know? It would make a big difference, you know........

The processor inside my Mac computer still runs about $450 at Fry's today. Then there is RAM and many other components and peripherals.
That makes a $1400 desktop Mac somewhat reasonably priced considering its video editing capabilities.
It's housed in an aluminum case and it features wireless keyboards and interphases.
There is absolutely no reason at all to take it apart and start soldering components to its motherboard for more "depth".
I know so much more about my computer then I do about the inner workings of my metal detectors.

Do you just watch the manufacturers videos and take their word for it?

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

TH...can you tell me how you know they are well over 16" in depth, sand is very unstable, even more so when you start removing it around the target.

SS

Remember I'm primarily a beach hunter....When I remove over 12 inches target is still deep in bottom of hole and nothing has fell in. I have marks on my scoop handle at 8,12,14,16,18 and 20"..... In damp sand it pretty much holds itself together and I use a Beach Brute II scoop, it takes wide deep bites....

There aren other hunters using the excal with the reverse mod and 15" coils, you will see them reporting same thing if you ask them.........

El pardon, we understand your point, we just don't agree with it...

Posted From My $50 Tablet....

 

[sponge]

Remember I'm primarily a beach hunter....When I remove over 12 inches target is still deep in bottom of hole and nothing has fell in. I have marks on my scoop handle at 8,12,14,16,18 and 20"..... In damp sand it pretty much holds itself together and I use a Beach Brute II scoop, it takes wide deep bites....

There aren other hunters using the excal with the reverse mod and 15" coils, you will see them reporting same thing if you ask them.........

El pardon, we understand your point, we just don't agree with it...

Posted From My $50 Tablet....

I mark my fishing pole with the slots so i know my keepers. You are marking your scoop for the depth measurements. What a sick addictive hobby. Honey wheres the tape measure?

sent from a sending device.

 

[lockster99]

The discussion isn't about items a 4-6 inches. A Bounty Hunter can find those. It is about finding deep targets. Well it has gone to that and other things in order to explain why a person would spend what some consider, too much, on an item they use and enjoy for their hobby.

And for some reason, we're back on processors. I've never heard that as a buying/selling point during the many years I've been doing this. Personally I don't care if someone wrapped the guts from a microwave, slapped it in a box, called it the Titanic and sold it. If it works like I think it should, I would be interested in it.

Hype from the manufacturers? I don't buy detectors because of what the manufacturers advertise. I wait and see how they PERFORM in the field from friends, forums, borrowing one, youtube.......etc. Then boil it down and make my decision based on those facts.

I especially love reading REVIEWS and OPINIONS from people who don't own the particular detector or brand they are running down. If I bought one that didn't perform up to MY standards, I would resell it. That would be the end of it. If your standards and mine aren't the same...so be it.

The day YOU make a detector that will meet the criteria that seems to be required here, please let me know:
1)Made here in the states...not just assembled here.
2)An awesome processor that beats all the others in every way.
3)Water PROOF...not resistant.
4a)Weight....it cant feel like a "cheap Quarts" watch.
4b)Weight....it can't be heavy either.
5)PRICE...Well evidently it has to be at least the same or less than an AT Pro
6) It has to be able to tell what it is at max depth.

Then you have to figure out how to advertise it to me so as to not seem like manufacturers hype. Because they all are taking advantage of us due to the price.
I use what I like to use because it works better for ME than others. I wish cool things were at a shallow depth where I live, some are, but not all.

 

[FreeBirdTim]

Really? In my last 2 hunts I have dug a Barber quarter at 12", a Barber dime at 11" and an Indian Head cent at 11". If I was using your detector I would not have found anything at my site.

Good for you, but you missed the point. I'm finding 240 year old coins 5 inches down at my spots. Do you really think there are Barber dimes deeper than these 240 year old coins that I'm missing? Total nonsense.

 

[FreeBirdTim]

I love all the talk about over rated depth finds it's just like the old fishing story, every time it's told the fish gets bigger

Yup, it's getting pretty thick in here. Just like the metal detecting videos on YouTube. They find a coin 5 inches down and then estimate it at 8 or 9 inches deep. Sounds impressive, but we all know they're embellishing the actual depth.

 

[FreeBirdTim]

Excuse me, did you just call me a liar?

Nah, he's just saying that there's a lot of "embellishing" going on here.