Superstition People, Places, & Things.

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

Relax my friend Black Line, we are with you. But it is the nature of teasure hunters to question as it should be.

 

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[BlackLine]

Relax my friend Black Line, we are with you. But it is the nature of teasure hunters to question as it should be.

i am deeply relaxed ?

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

BlackLine, Just WHAT IS IN that coffee, schnapps ??

 

[deducer]

gollum i know there are no signs from the jesuits, but it was the way to find it. thats why im convinced that it is from the jesuits. it wasnt luck to find it. is this cave man-made?
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Before you start throwing the "Jesuit" word everywhere, you may want to learn a little more about them and what they were doing in the Southwest.

For example, do you know the location of the closest mission relative to the Superstitions?

 

[gollum]

Blackline,

There are bunches of ruins in the Supers. Depends on what type of ruins you mean. Cliff Dwellings? Rock Houses? Old water troughs? Walled caves?

What you don't know about the fake clues is that they were mostly made up by two types of people:

1. Cattle Ranchers that didn't want a bunch of outsiders wandering around, disturbing their cattle, tearing up watering troughs. They made up stories that kept people and their trampling feet far from where they fed cattle.

2. Dutch Hunters that didn't want a bunch of out of towners hunting the Dutchman where they thought it was, so they made up clues that took people everywhere, EXCEPT where they thought it was.

Mike

 

[azdave35]

Blackline,

There are bunches of ruins in the Supers. Depends on what type of ruins you mean. Cliff Dwellings? Rock Houses? Old water troughs? Walled caves?

What you don't know about the fake clues is that they were mostly made up by two types of people:

1. Cattle Ranchers that didn't want a bunch of outsiders wandering around, disturbing their cattle, tearing up watering troughs. They made up stories that kept people and their trampling feet far from where they fed cattle.

2. Dutch Hunters that didn't want a bunch of out of towners hunting the Dutchman where they thought it was, so they made up clues that took people everywhere, EXCEPT where they thought it was.

Mike

again mike is right on the money......i've always heard old tex barkley destroyed rock markers and cactus..but who knows for sure..one of my old mining buddies got here somewhere around 1950 and he told me there were many marked, banded, and lopped cactus in the goldfield area but as more ldm hunters showed up the cactus started disappearing and then you have guys like barry storm that like to carve treasure maps in rocks and i'm sure he wasn't the only one

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

I see that apaprently no-one was capable of following my simple instuuctions on that photograph. or at least posting on it ?
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" Who was running the two screens for dry recovery in that picture Hal ? BILL ? They were working a tunnel - behind the screens.

middle left of picture of "one of my favorte spots"


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Bring your scroll bar on the xtreme right of the picture, scroll approx.1/2 way down, slowly.

leave the picture alone horizontally, and merely scroll vertically 1/2way down using the bar at the right of the picture."

 

[BlackLine]

what should i say? it is how it is. i thank you for all responses and wish you all the best.
greetings
andre

 

[EarnieP]

I see that apaprently no-one was capable of following my simple instuuctions on that photograph. or at least posting on it ?
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" Who was running the two screens for dry recovery in that picture Hal ? BILL ? They were working a tunnel - behind the screens.

middle left of picture of "one of my favorte spots"


http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/attachment.php?
attachmentid=1260434&d=1452866460


Bring your scroll bar on the xtreme right of the picture, scroll approx.1/2 way down, slowly.

leave the picture alone horizontally, and merely scroll vertically 1/2way down using the bar at the right of the picture."

Hello Real de Tayopa, I don't have your answers of course, but I do see what you are talking about just to the left of the green (foliage) ledge. Enlarge to see it.

 

[gollum]

Don Jose,

I see the screen you are talking about. Most likely an Archie. No Dutch Hunter would screen for artifacts. I might still say Dutch Hunter if it were a dry washer, but someone was screening for artifacts.

Andre,

Don't take all the questioning wrong. If you had been posting here for several years, and you found something, it wouldn't be questioned too harshly. It is just that we have seen things happen like this many times over the years. A new person shows up, and they make a lot of claims without evidence. You have pics, but please understand, and don't think too badly about a little tough questioning! HAHAHA I don't think anybody intends anything bad to you.

Mike

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

mike, to be honest,I hadn't thought of arkies, touche" in fact there is a small cave behind their screens, but what ever promped anyone to live there? Although the green vegetation hints at water, perhas a smll spring?

Om second thought, arkies never use a screen at such a high angle, too much chance of damaging a delicate piece.

Gimme back that coffee

 

[Matthew Roberts]

I see a frame structure that could shield an opening and some type of fixed tripod/hoist. Without knowing the location and it's history, I don't have a clue. Looks modern, meaning, 1940s and up. The water erosion on the face of that mountain is amazing. Appears to flow diagonally.

Have you ever seen photographs of ancient gold mining, magnified images that show the tool marks?

Hal,

The photograph with the two stands and tripods is the Dacite Cliffs at the Don's Camp on Peralta Road on the southeast end of the Superstitions. The stands were part of the fire fall the Don's Club would have every year in April at their Don's Trek.

The Dacite cliffs are one of the best geologic examples of the resurgent Superstition caldera. Immediately below the two stands is a band of darker rock at a 45 degree angle from the general direction of the bottom right to the upper left. That dark rock is plutonic granite (magma) which intruded up into and through the Dacite. The granite magma is what carries gold, silver, copper and other metals up into the volcanic Dacite rock which is itself barren of mineralization.

That is how gold can be found in the Superstitions when 95% of all rock in the Superstitions is volcanic and barren of minerals.

Matthew

 

[Old]

And here's the culprit, red handed.

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

Coffee Hal ? You did ok.

 

[Matthew Roberts]

And here's the culprit, red handed.

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Old,

Sure looks like a person on the cliff.
But it's not, it's natural.

Matthew

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

Excellent thught Hal, I hadn; thought of that.

 

[Old]

Look close Matthew, I think you might be surprised. There's a relic bag below and one further over to the right.

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

Right on Mathew, you explained it.

 

[deducer]

again mike is right on the money......i've always heard old tex barkley destroyed rock markers and cactus..but who knows for sure..one of my old mining buddies got here somewhere around 1950 and he told me there were many marked, banded, and lopped cactus in the goldfield area but as more ldm hunters showed up the cactus started disappearing and then you have guys like barry storm that like to carve treasure maps in rocks and i'm sure he wasn't the only one

That there ol' Tex Barkley was an interesting person. Said he did it to stop people from scattering his cattle, but one has to wonder if he wasn't a bit of a DH himself. He saw plenty of sign on Peter's Mesa.

 

[deducer]

what should i say? it is how it is. i thank you for all responses and wish you all the best.
greetings
andre

Since you refuse to answer my question, I'll answer it for you.

The closest mission to the Superstitions, on paper, was the one at Guevavi, the Mission Los Santos Ángeles de Guevavi which is around 200 miles south of the Superstitions. Not saying the Jesuits didn't venture any further than that to explore, but this is probably something you and everyone else would want to keep in mind before ascribing every scratch, carving, or hole, to the Jesuits.