Superstition People, Places, & Things.

[Azquester]

Blackline, may I comnd you on your excelent comand of English. wish that I soke German as well. MIne is high school German in which I spent most of my time in the front row eyeing the very prety young teacher who was addicted to mini skirts and perching on top of her desk = learned about female anatomy to a limited extent,but not ''german well


Vo ist das kaffee haus ?

"Soke" is Japanese you have "German Teacher in a mini-skirt translation anxiety".

 

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[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

Double appologies Bill, I was following your left white line and ended up at what at first looked like a cave, but wasn't.

Cafe make up for it ?

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

Bill, again I do not have a like sign so I a not able to give you a like -- settle for coffee ?

 

[cactusjumper]

Gentlemen:

For you review.

Tucson Artifacts Suggest Romans Made It to New World in 8th Century: Expert

As this unfolds I would invite folks to consider the impact of a mining colony in Arizona. Why they were here, and possible sites in the Superstitions that would attract their attention.

A good place to start would be a certain canyon that was identified by Bernice McGee and certain comments made in the Bent /Mcgee correspondence.

Apologize for sidetracking this discussion.


Starman

Starman,

Many thanks for that link to the latest on the Tucson artifacts. Interesting, but I believe I will wait awhile before jumping on the bandwagon.

I can see why you pick Josia as your geology expert. He was probably one of the most qualified geologists of his time. His research into the Southern Klondike District/Tonopah was most interesting for me as it most closely resembled what we have in the Superstitions.

Good luck,

Joe Ribaudo

 

[EarnieP]

EarieP,


I never realized you had such dark humor....be careful though, the untyped wording may get you in deep with the moderators all that mental cussing and references to..well..only you know what! I do resent those remarks at least those in that nasty untyped quotation!

For future reference I go through many periods...................................of self-immolation while hiking in the desert.
Either by burning up in the desert heat or being pushed off a cliff...I always survive it with mental scars...I'm going down in flames right now in this conversation so I'd better bail out while I still have me MoJo!

Thanks for telling me I'm a ....... ....... I deserved that!

You're the best ... .... ..... I've ever seen!

For future reference next time show some non-posted jpeg's to go with your response so others on here can all get a clearer mental picture.

Have a great day .......!

Oh, by the way, you'd better "... off .... .... ..... or you're gonna ... .. ........"

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Just .......!

Don't think I'm an ....... for posting ....!

Never mind, I don't even know what I just thought I said...

Bill my LDM brother, you understand me like no other.

 

[BlackLine]

its difficult to be prepared. once i saw a "gps sos spot" but if you are on holiday its not easy to get one. i also did not notice. the plan was take photos - dont dig. i met 4 rattlesnakes. maybe it was hazardous but if you want to do something big, you have to do it alone and if you dont take the chance youll ever ask yourself, if it was the right decision. what type of snake is it?



thank you tayopa ich brauche leider immer 20 Stunden je Beitrag

Bill. yes we have a big political problem. thats why i search for the gold. if i have it i will go to the united staates. hope an young german is welcome to your question about waltz. i dont read any book about the legend so i have an other perspective on the issue. i only know that the dutchman comes out Baden-Würtemberg. if you have more information i can check it. but i think it will only confirm that the dutchman found gold. think the matchbox is real enough, why we need an other confirmation?

 

[audigger53]

Could you also look for information a Jacob Waltzr? He is the one that was supposed to have caught the East bound stage from Tucson to go back to Germany. Thanks and good luck on looking on both.

 

[audigger53]

One of the best partial educations I had was when we first stopped at the Rainbow mine and his house. Inside the abandoned house were boxes full of 2 inch core drillings. With 3X5 cards for what he want them assayed for. Lots of core drillings down to 200 feet. He lost the gold vein and tried to relocate it. If you want to see the place, it is off the road from Oracle Junction and heading towards Mammoth, turn north on the first dirt road after a couple miles on the asphalt. It is now State land, but he mined it for 30 years until it pinched out. Soft rock mine, floor, sides and roof planked. Also had/has a concrete cleaning table where he used Potassium Chloride to extract all the gold he dug up. Shaft was there last time I saw it. Later somebody tried to live there and threw all the boxes and core samples outside in a pile. The State got him for Criminal Trespass. Wish I had had a camera to take the pictures of all that education. Was back in 1980.

 

[audigger53]

I think that is a Mohave Desert Rattler, also know as a Coon Tail, because of the alternating white and black bands just before the rattles. Nasty, aggressive, and in the Spring about 80-90% Neurotoxic, not hemoglobin. Good news, they don't normally go above 5000 feet. Had those outside Florence, Arizona where I went to High School. 16 gauge with # 8 shot does real good on them. lol

 

[gollum]

AUDIGGER%#,

THAT is a Western Diamondback. Strictly Hemotoxinous Venom. The snake you are thinking of is The Mojave Green Rattler. The easy way to tell the two apart is that the Mojave Green has MUCH wider White Bands than black. The Western has more black. Here is an example:



I know because I see Mojave Greens all over when I get up around The Shiprock Mountains, and everything North of I-10 (North of Palm Springs). I had to look closely at the pic for a good while before I could see the black stripes were much too solid for a Mojave. It is close though. The easier way to tell is if the snake chases you. Most Westerns just want to get away from humans. Mojaves are VERY aggressive, and will run you down striking at you. The buzztail in that pic is so close in color to a Mojave Green, I probably would have shot it (and I don't normally kill snakes).

A Western Diamondback cannot normally kill a healthy grownup. The hemotoxinous poison destroys every red blood cell it contacts (that why your arm swells up and turns black from all the excess fluids from the burst cells. The Mojave Green has both Hemotoxinous AND Neurotoxinous Poisons. The Neurotoxin affects your CNS (Central Nervous System). Imagine the muscles in your abdomen that cause your lungs to draw in air not working. As you endure excruciating agony from all your red blood cells bursting, you all of a sudden aren't able to draw in a breath. You lay there in agony as you suffocate to death. Not a nice way to go.

So kiddies, what have we learned from todays lesson? S-N-A-K-E C-H-A-P-S or S-N-A-K-E G-A-I-T-E-R-S!


Mike

 

[azdave35]

AUDIGGER%#,

THAT is a Western Diamondback. Strictly Hemotoxinous Venom. The snake you are thinking of is The Mojave Green Rattler. The easy way to tell the two apart is that the Mojave Green has MUCH wider White Bands than black. The Western has more black. Here is an example:

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I know because I see Mojave Greens all over when I get up around The Shiprock Mountains, and everything North of I-10 (North of Palm Springs). I had to look closely at the pic for a good while before I could see the black stripes were much too solid for a Mojave. It is close though. The easier way to tell is if the snake chases you. Most Westerns just want to get away from humans. Mojaves are VERY aggressive, and will run you down striking at you. The buzztail in that pic is so close in color to a Mojave Green, I probably would have shot it (and I don't normally kill snakes).

A Western Diamondback cannot normally kill a healthy grownup. The hemotoxinous poison destroys every red blood cell it contacts (that why your arm swells up and turns black from all the excess fluids from the burst cells. The Mojave Green has both Hemotoxinous AND Neurotoxinous Poisons. The Neurotoxin affects your CNS (Central Nervous System). Imagine the muscles in your abdomen that cause your lungs to draw in air not working. As you endure excruciating agony from all your red blood cells bursting, you all of a sudden aren't able to draw in a breath. You lay there in agony as you suffocate to death. Not a nice way to go.


Mike

i think mike is right...that snake also looks a bit large for a mohave...and mohave's have an unmistakable green tint

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

hi it's a rattlesnke but with a curious coloration ending where the rattlesare.?

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

Gully, we have a black version on a certain mt highly praised for it venom and collected the point that it is now protected because of the mining ot them for ther particularly potent venom Over on h Rio Mayo drainage there is one of the typical diamond backs but of vivid green. convient evoloution

 

[gollum]

Are you talking about the whole snake being black or the section before the tail? If the rattler goes from brown to solid black back to the rattles, you have a Canebrake Rattler. It is common on Sugar Plantations as it lives in the Sugar"Cane" and eats the rats that live there. Not too aggressive.

When I was stationed at Ft. Bragg, NC, I had an Eastern Diamondback that was about 7 1/2 feet. The NC State Natural History Museum would have bought him when he hit 8 feet, as it would have been the largest and longest Eastern in captivity. He died before he got to 8 feet.

I have found over the years that most of the people that get bit handling rattlesnakes are trying to pinch the snake behind the head. Rattlers are strong and VERY quick! All they have to do is give one twist and they can fang you. If you pick up a rattler by where the tail gets stripes, or right near the rattles, the snake isn't as scared as when you grab it by the head. They usually won't try to bite you when you pick them up and move them.

Mike

 

[audigger53]

Yeah, not white enough between the black stripes. There is also down below Sierra Vista what is called the Crescent Banded Rattle Snake. No Diamond pattern, just dark green crescent bands from the back arching down to the belly. 5600 to 6500 feet elevation is where they like to be. Saw one when I was going across a large rock spill. Noticed it as I was crossing the rocks and as it was one layer inside going the other way, I thought "Boy is that a big snake". Then my brain caught the shape of the head and I found myself airborne, first rock I landed on started to shift under me, so I went airborne again and landed on a stable rock. Sucker was almost 5 inches diameter and close to 6 feet long. I didn't think it was a rattle snake as it had no diamondback pattern, just those dark green crescent bands. The Rangers told me that there were 11 species of rattle snakes in the mountains there and 6 were "protected". "What's that mean?" I asked.
"If we catch you with one, it's a $1000 fine" "Well, if you catch me with one, we'll go for a jury trial. I will only have one with me if I need ID for the correct anti venom, and I won't be carrying a live rattle snake". He looked at me real funny.LOL

 

[audigger53]

Actually the worst snake in the US is at Fort Bliss around the airstrip. Only about 8 inches long and brown. They had a guy doing clean up and picked up a newspaper and the snake was under it. Bit him at the base of the thumb. There was a medevac copper 100 feet away that they were checking out and verifying the supplies. They put him in the chopper and he went into cardiac arrest twice while flying him to Beaumont Hospital on base. He went into cardiac arrest there once also. Only known survivor for being bitten by it. Glad it only lives there.
back in 1980 the Arizona black snake was really bad. Talked to a rancher there who told us that the other ranches had lost 2 horses to them.

 

[sdcfia]

Are you talking about the whole snake being black or the section before the tail? If the rattler goes from brown to solid black back to the rattles, you have a Canebrake Rattler. It is common on Sugar Plantations as it lives in the Sugar"Cane" and eats the rats that live there. Not too aggressive.

When I was stationed at Ft. Bragg, NC, I had an Eastern Diamondback that was about 7 1/2 feet. The NC State Natural History Museum would have bought him when he hit 8 feet, as it would have been the largest and longest Eastern in captivity. He died before he got to 8 feet.

I have found over the years that most of the people that get bit handling rattlesnakes are trying to pinch the snake behind the head. Rattlers are strong and VERY quick! All they have to do is give one twist and they can fang you. If you pick up a rattler by where the tail gets stripes, or right near the rattles, the snake isn't as scared as when you grab it by the head. They usually won't try to bite you when you pick them up and move them.

Mike

I have nothing against snakes in general, but I for one have no reason to pick up a venomous one. We had a SAR monthly meeting several years ago when one of the members presented a discussion on snakes. He brought in a rattler in a bag for a little show and tell. When he dumped the snake out on the floor, the entire team simultaneously hopped straight up onto the conference table. It was funny later, but not at the time, ha ha.

Eric, the snake guy at the meeting, had a metal building next to his house in which he had at least one of every poisonous snake in the world, plus a substantial mouse farm to feed them. The cobras and his three gaboon vipers were the scariest looking. He had been bitten twice in his life and was saved by anti-venom serum. After the second time, the doc told him the serum might not work a third time. Eric had a snake escape his cage one day - a krait - and couldn't find it in the building. A couple weeks later, we were informed that Eric passed away suddenly. Massive organ failure.

Another acquaintance, a medical doctor, was bitten on the foot by a small rattler in his yard in Tucson. He got immediate treatment, but has been seriously troubled by the bite ever since. Lost flesh and numbness.

I don't know why I have snake friends, but a guy I worked with who also lived in Tucson was another collector. He had no bad experiences himself, but his good buddy used to make extra money by milking Mojave rattlers for their venom. This guy got bit hard on the hand one day and called 911. He told them, "No big hurry - I'm already a dead man." By the time the EMT's arrived, he was.

 

[sdcfia]

Actually the worst snake in the US is at Fort Bliss around the airstrip. Only about 8 inches long and brown. They had a guy doing clean up and picked up a newspaper and the snake was under it. Bit him at the base of the thumb. There was a medevac copper 100 feet away that they were checking out and verifying the supplies. They put him in the chopper and he went into cardiac arrest twice while flying him to Beaumont Hospital on base. He went into cardiac arrest there once also. Only known survivor for being bitten by it. Glad it only lives there.
back in 1980 the Arizona black snake was really bad. Talked to a rancher there who told us that the other ranches had lost 2 horses to them.

Sounds like the one that the Zunis call "Pichu-Cuate"

 

[audigger53]

in my opinion, IMO, you just can't help/cure Stupid. I never could understand people that go collecting deadly snakes, spiders, ect and then getting bitten later. Always sounded like a death wish to me. Back in 1981 the Arizona Game wardens were experimenting with using high voltage for snake bytes. They had a 6 foot spark plug wire to stick into the distributor cap. They would start the car and put the wire right on the bite and ground the other side. The idea was to use the voltage to break up the poison molecular chain, so it was no longer a poison. Haven't heard any more on that. The idea was that the anti venom has to be kept cold or it breaks down and in the desert (southern Arizona) that is really hard to do. ALso you have to have the correct anti venom for each snake.

 

[Azquester]

its difficult to be prepared. once i saw a "gps sos spot" but if you are on holiday its not easy to get one. i also did not notice. the plan was take photos - dont dig. i met 4 rattlesnakes. maybe it was hazardous but if you want to do something big, you have to do it alone and if you dont take the chance youll ever ask yourself, if it was the right decision. what type of snake is it?

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thank you tayopa ich brauche leider immer 20 Stunden je Beitrag

Bill. yes we have a big political problem. thats why i search for the gold. if i have it i will go to the united staates. hope an young german is welcome to your question about waltz. i dont read any book about the legend so i have an other perspective on the issue. i only know that the dutchman comes out Baden-Würtemberg. if you have more information i can check it. but i think it will only confirm that the dutchman found gold. think the matchbox is real enough, why we need an other confirmation?

Blackline, We have the same "Problems" as you do. Globalism by proxy using refugee Terrorist Immigrants as a politcal tool.
I just thought that if Jacob was sending letters to his family along with money those letters might have directions to his mine. It just might also give some answers to some of the lingering questions about how much gold he really had, or, if he sent any money back, or, if it was just a ruse. It might also explain if he did have a nephew "Wieser" that came over from your country to help and was murdered by his uncle Jacob. It would fill in many parts of the story no one has ever seen or heard of. You're sitting near a gold mine of information over there and you didn't know it until now.

You're welcome to come here, no papers required, just come through our southern border speaking a few words of spanish and you'll be lavished in the wealth of our hard working peoples taxes just like everyone else. We have no southern border so come on down. You'd better hurry though, America is almost a non-country just like yours.

The Matchbox? It's nice but it still can't talk. His family over there can speak volumes.