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Talk about "Chewed".....

This poor guy almost ate it....On second thought maybe he did.Went back out to the farm at Antietam for a couple hour's this morning,pretty slow.Found these piece's and some "blob" lead and the usual farm do-hickey's.I've found quite a few "chewed" before but nothing like this.This guy must have been in some serious pain...Can't even hardly tell it was a.58 except for the base....Thank's for lookin' and HH!!
 

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why would someone chew lead? cool finds though
 
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tpmrcp said:
why would someone chew lead? cool finds though

To deal with pain.Its a "hospital" bullet. Ever heard of the old saying "bite the bullet" ?

while we saw off you arm or leg......or other stuff without any pain killers

lead is malluable and wouldn't chip or break any teeth.
 
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The chewed bullet sure is a neat find. too bad you couldnt DNA test it or something and find out who it belonged to. not that it would really matter itd just be cool knowing.
 
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tpmrcp said:
why would someone chew lead? cool finds though

they also chewed bullets when water was short to help generate saliva to fight off thirst. those bullets usually have light toothmarks in them though, this guy really was chomping on this thing. the only reason i can think of for someone biting that hard would be from severe pain. its a pretty grim reminder of how terrible medicine was back then.
 
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I visited an antique store in Vicksburg, MS several years ago. They had a jar of "Hospital Bullets" on the counter and the price was quite reasonable. I checked them out and bought 4-5. I took them back and put them on my desk at school to show students and explain the "Bite the Bullet" saying. Not being satisfied with just a story, I started to search the Internet for more information about the bullets, how they used a cache find to locate a field hospital. All the interesting stuff.

I emailed several experts to get more information on the practice and the replies I got back really burst my bubble. All the experts said that the stories out there about using bullets to bite on while legs were being amputated, or used during surgery when there was no anesthesia, were just that. Stories. They said that there would have been no need to bite on a bullet to keep teeth from being broken or chipped is they needed to bite on something for pain. If something was needed, they would simply bite on a leather belt. It was much easier on the teeth and could not be accidentally swallowed or choked on. So where did the tooth marks on the bullets come from. This is sort of the gross part. After a battle, it was sometimes not possible to remove all the dead bodies from a field or even find some of the soldiers that hand wandered off and died. These bodies were seen as food by the wild hogs that inhabited the area. They would eat whatever they found. Being animals of habit, if they found food in an area, they would return to look for more. As they foraged around, they would pick up stray bullets off the ground and chew them. They have massive jaw muscles and they leave tooth imprints that look much like ours. They would chew on them for a bit and spit them out. How did collections of these come into existence? The bullets would wash down the hills and slopes and gather at the bottom in a wash. Over the years, you might get several hundred chewed bullets in one place.

So where DID the term "Bite the Bullet" come from. Seems there was a time when the ammunition used by soldiers came with the powder in a paper tube attached to the bullet. You had to open the paper tube and pour the powder down the barrel. The quickest way to open the tube was to bite the end off. You then took the bullet and rammed it down on top of the powder. Sort of a pre-packaged charge. If you got in a hurry, you might put the package up to your mouth bullet end first. You might not have time to turn it around so to get the charge ready to pour, you had to "Bite the Bullet" off the tube so you could pour the powder out. So sometimes if you wanted to shoot and maybe not get shot, you might have to "Bite the Bullet" every now and then to get your rifle loaded.

Sorry to pour water on anyone's parade but this is what I found out when I spent several months researching the topic. I have no reason to doubt the experts I contacted.

Daryl
 
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Great info Bio, thats what I like best about this forum. Many knowlegable people. You can almost always find the correct information about a subject here. I too was under the assumption that soldiers bit them when being operated on without anesthetic's.
 
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wow, that is very interesting. so there is a good chance that was a fatal bullet. kinda creepy.
 
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That was a very interesting histery lesson, one I will remember.
 
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I don't dought either story but hogs were not in all parts of the Americas during this period. The russian introduced in the 1930s the ferral came over probably Cortez or other Spaniard. The stories are just that. But I'm sure a Dentist can tell the difference between teeth. The ones I've found in Okla and Ark look to be human teeth marks, found with others carved and made into different items also round flat disks, MAybe chips to play poker. I think Human bite is the best answer..Loco
 
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Civil,
Very cool find. Love it!
Thanks for the great post & pictures.
-MM-
 
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civilman1,

nice find.

So what ya got. Pigs or People ;) ;D

BioProfessor,

interesting. Have seen the stories where wild
animals got the dead,,,,and dying, after a battle.

have a good un...
SHERMANVILLE
 
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Meaning: Pay a painfull price and move on.
Example: If you want to clear those 8 tickets off your driving record, you will need to bite the bullet and pay the fines.
Origin: Before the advent of ether, the first anesthetic, surgery was a pretty desperate and painful affair. With the patient (although victim might be more descriptive) fully conscious and feeling the pain. These early surgeries were typically limb amputations or the removal of some object lodged into the body such as a bullet or arrowhead.
A typical amputation consisted of the "surgeon" using a saw to hack off the unwanted limb. The skin was then pulled down over the stub and sutured shut. Amazingly, some of these patients survived, but certainly the success ratio was low. Note that poorly skilled physicians today are called "hacks".

Even after the advent of anesthetics such emergency surgery has had to be performed at times. Particularly in times of war when anesthetics may be in limited supply or unavailable.

To ease the pain the patient was given a couple of stiff belts of whiskey to numb the senses, then given a stick or lead bullet to bite down on as the surgeon went to work with knife and saw.

The bullet or stick was given to let the patient focus their energy and attention on the biting instead of the cutting and pain. It may also have helped to reduce the screaming, which probably benefited the surgeon and attendants.

Why bite on a bullet? Made of lead, bullets are malleable. Although quite strong they will actually deform somewhat when bitten hard. Hence teeth would not break as would likely happen from biting a stone for example. Bullets are also readily available in times of war, when this type of surgery is frequently called for. "Bite the bullet" may have originated in the civil war.

The patient who bit the bullet was cooperating with the surgery. Clearly this poor fellow saw the surgery as unavoidable and absolutely necessary. He had decided to "bite the bullet" and get on with the surgery.

"Biting the bullet" has been captured in countless war movies and westerns.

Thanks to Jane, Kyle, John Gold, Kevin Morefield, Frederick Blume, Laurie Lee, and Melchor Balaguer

Alternatively,

In the early 1800's, when Britain ruled India, there were many Muslim and Hindu auxiliary soldiers attached to the British military units. At this time bullets were constructed of paper cartridges that had to have one end torn off before being placed into the musket. Because one hand was holding the musket, and the other the shot, the easiest way to tear the end off was to do it with your teeth.

But the cartridges were lubricated with the fat of pigs, to allow them to slide into the barrel of the musket more easily. Both Muslim and Hindu soldiers were forbidden by religion to touch, much less ingest the meat of a pig.

They would refuse to bite off the end of the bullet because of the pig fat grease. The British officers insisted that they do so anyway, and the orders " they'll just have to bite the bullet" eventually entered the vernacular.

Thanks to Pat Cadle

An interesting tale - but the paper did not contain the bullet, only the gunpowder. The bullet was loaded separately.
 
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Awesome find Civil1! Bio Professor has a very good point. Here in Germany it is common to find lead musket balls, bullets, fillers for wood holes and splatter. I have never found anything with teeth marks yet and I find a lot of lead. That is a very good explanation for teeth marks. HH, Mike
 
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Nice Finds! I have found many of these bullets in Tennessee. A friend in VA. told me that many of these bullets were chewed by hogs, squirrels, or were in a gravel road. I would think that a dentist could tell you if the marks are human. Fun finds.
 
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Just to get our "facts" straight.

Wild hogs have been in North America for about 500 years. There were plenty of feral hogs during the civil war. No matter where you were.

From - http://museum.nhm.uga.edu/gawildlife/mammals/artiodactyla/Suidae/sscrofa.html

Wild Pigs, also called Feral Hogs, have been established in North America since 1539, when the first European settlers brought them to Florida as domestic pigs. Another race of wild pig, the European Wild Boar, was released in New Hampshire, North Carolina, Missouri, Arkansas, and Tennessee in the late 1800s and 1900s for the purposes of hunting.

Bullets that appear to be chewed during surgery have been misidentified. Soldiers did chew bullets to maximize salivation just as Indians put pebbles under their tongues for the same reason.

From: http://antiquescientifica.com/alerts.htm

So-called medical chewed or pain bullets are mis-identified. An easily swallowed bullet is the last thing that one would want to put in the mouth of any anxious patient. To bite the bullet is not a medical phrase, rather it is an old military term referring to loading a muzzleloader. The tip of a preloaded ball and powder paper cartridge was opened with the soldier's teeth, the powder and ball were then poured into the muzzle, the paper cartridge, itself, came next as packing, lastly, all was tamped down with a ram rod. In the heat of battle, it is possible that soldiers may have bitten the paper cartridge at the wrong end (bullet end) and this may have caused some of the marks.

The notion that a bullet was better than a belt or other large soft (relative) is a civil war myth.

From - http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/418268

Book Reviews
Civil War Medicine: Challenges and Triumphs
January 22, 2002
from Medscape General Medicine [TM]
Reviewed by: Thomas P. Lowry, MD

Another widely believed myth is that of patients biting on bullets during surgery. General anesthesia was widely (and safely) used by both North and South. To further dispel the mythic ignorance of our medical ancestors, there were specialized hospitals for ear and eye injuries, plastic surgery, smallpox, and syphilis.

Civil war muskets were fired using a paper tube holding the powder with the bullet attached at the end.

From - http://www.civilwarguns.com/9110b.html

Ordnance Questions & Answers
Since I began this column several months ago I have been queried both in person and via correspondence on a number of Civil War arms topics. Several of these queries on the historical and modern use of Civil War guns have wider import, and I'll try to answer a few on ammunition in this month's column.

Q. How were Civil War musket cartridges constructed? How were they used?

A. Civil War cartridges for the U.S. .58 caliber Springfield rifle musket, and American made cartridges for the .577 caliber British Enfield rifle musket, contained a paper wrapped powder charge with a grooved, lubricated minie ball sitting on top of it pointing up. The whole was then wrapped in another piece of paper to make a completed cartridge. In loading, the soldier bit off the end of the cartridge, then dumped the powder charge, 60 grains of musket powder, down the muzzle of his gun, discarded the remaining paper, inserted the bullet, rammed it down the barrel and then placed a percussion cap on the gun's nipple, or "cone."

British (and some Confederate) made Enfield cartridges, although paper, were constructed differently, with an ungrooved bullet, more undersized than the Springfield style projectile, wrapped in lubricated paper and pointing downward. After biting the end off the Enfield cartridge and dumping the powder down the muzzle of his gun, the soldier reversed the cartridge and seated the bullet, still wrapped in the lubricated paper, in the muzzle, discarded the excess paper, rammed it home and capped his weapon.

Just so more information to consider.

Daryl
 
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I found a total of five chewed musket balls on a battle field in Germany,two were a foot a part . Don't know who or what chewed em but lots of teeth marks. There are a lot of wild pigs in that region so maybe there is something to it. The teeth marks in Civil's lead sure look human to me.
 
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Civilman, call a dentist. I'd bet he'd be more than willing to look at that bullet and ID the teeth for ya. I know if I were a dentist and someone wanted me to look at a civil war mini-ball to examine tooth marks, I would be incrediblt intrigued. Besides, maybe you can put some rumors to rest.

BioProfessor said:
I started to search the Internet for more information about the bullets, how they used a cache find to locate a field hospital. All the interesting stuff.

They would chew on them for a bit and spit them out. How did collections of these come into existence? The bullets would wash down the hills and slopes and gather at the bottom in a wash. Over the years, you might get several hundred chewed bullets in one place.

There probably wasn't much "washing" being done either. Pigs in the wild will bed down in the same spot over and over, sometimes for generations(it makes 'em easier to shoot). The "hospitals" that they were finding were probably just extravagant pig houses.
 
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It's tough for anybody to ID teeth and marks from pigs and humans. They are so close to each other.

From - http://anthropology.uvic.ca/451/human_nonhuman.PDF.

Human vs. Non-human - Teeth
• Possible confusion amongst humans, pigs, bears –
all are omnivorous, share similar dental shapes
• Pig molars: low, rounded, but usually longer than
human molars, and have more complex crown
shape; however, pig premolars are similar to
human molars.

Not sure how many pig teeth your average dentist has examined.

As far as pigs bedding down in the same place and having the bullets wind up there. That's possible, I just don't know how long a pig will chew a bullet. If seems they would spit it out before they picked up an acorn or some other food source. That would scatter the bullets over their foraging range. My thoughts were that they would find them, chew them for a little while, drop them, and then these bullets would wind up at the lowest point around as water slowly moved them downhill. But I'm not much into pig feeding habits so it's just as good as I could logically make it.

Daryl
 
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BioProfessor is correct on his "bite the bullet" post. I have found bullets that were chewed on by hogs, bullets chewed on by squirrels and woods rats and bullets chewed on by humans. I think maybe when people chewed on them it was to keep their mouth moist but most times maybe it was to give them somthing to do, due to boredom. Maybe they ran out of tobacco. I aint got a clue but they did chew on 'em. The rodent chewed ones are easy to identify because the chew marks are small and in straight lines. Hog chewed ones are usually smashed and are hard to identify though some will have teeth marks on 'em same as human chewed ones. I carried some to my dentist and he told me which ones were human chewed. Here is a human chewed one...d2
 

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