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Talk about "Chewed".....

This poor guy almost ate it....On second thought maybe he did.Went back out to the farm at Antietam for a couple hour's this morning,pretty slow.Found these piece's and some "blob" lead and the usual farm do-hickey's.I've found quite a few "chewed" before but nothing like this.This guy must have been in some serious pain...Can't even hardly tell it was a.58 except for the base....Thank's for lookin' and HH!!
 

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Amazing that they are able to look at a little piece of bone and tell you its a a shark, deer or something?? But not teeth ..yea. Well you hear all types of stories about a how the troops were hungry, and deer were not that thick here in OK in the 1900s for what ever reasons, but if pigs were that thick I'm sure the they would have been on the table not running around eating the dead. Not that it didn't probably happen but not every where. The teeth marked ones I have found have been in staging areas or rest areas after battles. But we are all right,but if you don't like that answer keep looking somebody will give you the answer you want. Thats why this is America Loco
 
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Here's a pic of the reverse side of the chewed....I'm not too sure about the ferral hog's in Maryland....they would still be here,haven't read any report's,letter's or any diary entry's of pig's being up this far at the time of the battle....Just don't buy it,maybe in the south.And a squirrel...maybe on steroid's.....Here's a few other's that I've found in the same general area,it's no big deal to me,still a part of the bloodiest day in the war but I don't buy the ferral hog part....Sorry.Don't get me wrong,I do believe it happened but not in these part's.
 

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VIRGINIA DEJOHN ANDERSON ON SOMER ISLANDS' 'HOGGE MONEY'
Environmental History, Jan 2004 by Anderson, Virginia DeJohn

The hogs that fed English settlers and appeared on Bermuda's coins bore little resemblance to the pigs that wandered around seventeenth-century English barnyards, let alone those that can be found on a modern farm. The animal depicted on the money has relatively long legs, a ridge of fur along the spine, and tusks that suggest a ferocious manner. It is clearly a feral hog, displaying morphological changes that resulted from generations of free ranging and indiscriminate breeding. Wild swine were also leaner than their domesticated counterparts-"so leane," one early visitor to Bermuda complained, that "wee could not eat them." This disparaging opinion was hardly shared by hundreds of other colonists who eagerIy converted the pigs into "flitches of Bacon" which they judged "very good."3

English colonists may have been pleased, but not particularly surprised, to discover that hogs thrived on the tiny island. Settlers who reached the mainland never doubted that livestock of all sorts would adapt to an American environment that, with its natural meadows and woodlands, seemed ideal for the beasts. Colonists likewise anticipated little trouble raising livestock in the New World much as they had in England. But it turned out that animals transferred more easily than animal husbandry. Confronted with a shortage of labor relative to the supply of land and to the amount of work that needed to be done in establishing new settlements, colonists from New England to the Chesapeake could not supervise their livestock anywhere nearly as thoroughly as English farmers did. Every available hand was required to clear fields, grow food, and build houses, roads, fences, and other necessities. As a result, livestock were left on their own for all or at least a good part of the year. Inevitably, this lackadaisical husbandry permitted some creatures to escape human control altogether and become wild.4

So far as the colonists were concerned, however, livestock that went wild did not cease to be English. Neither did they cease to be considered property-a category into which English settlers reflexively placed all livestock species. Yet identifying specific owners for feral livestock, a necessary task if the animals were indeed property, became a vexed issue, especially in places where the animals proliferated. This turned out to be the case in the Chesapeake colonies of Virginia and Maryland, where abundant food and a warm climate generated a substantial population of wild hogs and cattle. Colonists could not bringthemselves to regard feral livestock as free for the taking, like deer or other indigenous animals, because this amounted to a denial of their status as property. Lacking a clear alternative, colonists decided that the beasts belonged to the Crown, much as unclaimed strays in England did.
 
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Are you talking about the 1862 Colonist......
 
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No.

Spanish sailors had stocked Bermuda with pigs back in 1515, expecting them to proliferate and supply fresh meat for subsequent transatlantic voyagers. The English happened upon this isolated larder by chance. In the summer of 1609, the Sea Venture, part of a relief fleet bringing provisions to starving Virginia colonists, was blown off course by a hurricane and ended up snagged in the treacherous shoals off Bermuda. When the 150 men, women, and children on board made it to shore, they were relieved to discover an abundance of hogs, creatures they had known in England, as well as strange fish and exotic plants they might also use for food. Admiral George Somers organized hunting parties that rounded up dozens of hogs at a time to feed passengers and crew while they constructed two new boats to carry them to Virginia. Somers eventually returned once more to Bermuda to collect pigs for Jamestown's settlers, but he succumbed to illness on the island before he could complete his mission.

The hogs that fed English settlers and appeared on Bermuda's coins bore little resemblance to the pigs that wandered around seventeenth-century English barnyards, let alone those that can be found on a modern farm. The animal depicted on the money has relatively long legs, a ridge of fur along the spine, and tusks that suggest a ferocious manner. It is clearly a feral hog, displaying morphological changes that resulted from generations of free ranging and indiscriminate breeding. Wild swine were also leaner than their domesticated counterparts-"so leane," one early visitor to Bermuda complained, that "wee could not eat them." This disparaging opinion was hardly shared by hundreds of other colonists who eagerIy converted the pigs into "flitches of Bacon" which they judged "very good."3

English colonists may have been pleased, but not particularly surprised, to discover that hogs thrived on the tiny island. Settlers who reached the mainland never doubted that livestock of all sorts would adapt to an American environment that, with its natural meadows and woodlands, seemed ideal for the beasts. Colonists likewise anticipated little trouble raising livestock in the New World much as they had in England. But it turned out that animals transferred more easily than animal husbandry. Confronted with a shortage of labor relative to the supply of land and to the amount of work that needed to be done in establishing new settlements, colonists from New England to the Chesapeake could not supervise their livestock anywhere nearly as thoroughly as English farmers did. Every available hand was required to clear fields, grow food, and build houses, roads, fences, and other necessities. As a result, livestock were left on their own for all or at least a good part of the year. Inevitably, this lackadaisical husbandry permitted some creatures to escape human control altogether and become wild.4

So far as the colonists were concerned, however, livestock that went wild did not cease to be English. Neither did they cease to be considered property-a category into which English settlers reflexively placed all livestock species. Yet identifying specific owners for feral livestock, a necessary task if the animals were indeed property, became a vexed issue, especially in places where the animals proliferated. This turned out to be the case in the Chesapeake colonies of Virginia and Maryland, where abundant food and a warm climate generated a substantial population of wild hogs and cattle. Colonists could not bringthemselves to regard feral livestock as free for the taking, like deer or other indigenous animals, because this amounted to a denial of their status as property. Lacking a clear alternative, colonists decided that the beasts belonged to the Crown, much as unclaimed strays in England did.
 
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I hear what you're saying Daryl....But you're talking about the early settler's,15 1600's.In the region where I'm at and during the Battle of Antietam (or Sharpsburg) there were no wild hog's and there still aren't......This may have applied to one of the battle's down south but not at this particular place and time....You would have heard more report's about the troop's eating pork rib's....but what you hear is both side's stealing food.Still can't buy the bullet eating pig's..... ;) HH!!
 
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sadly the chewed bullets might very well have been in a body that the pigs ate on and were thus chewed on while they ate--- the metal was spat out as they ate the meat after being chew on for a bit--or after it passed thru the pigs system---after all something had to have killed the poor person the pig was snacking on--yes pigs will eat dead stuff ---they don't care if its a deer or a human---meat is meat to them--wild pigs can be quite dangerous --- run up on a big pack of them in the woods alone and far from help---if you carrying a is a single shot black powder rifle like in modern muzzle loader season it could be a bad day---part of the reason I carry a .44 cal 1858 remington copy six shooter---wild pigs can can and if given the right chance will eat you in a heartbeat---Ivan
 
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Maybe so on the "hospital" story, but I think they more used in the field, before getting any aide. You ever seen the size of a 69 cal. mini-ball? There huge, you get hit by that and you'll wish you kept 1 bullet for yourself... Cool finds.
 
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Seems like the Feral Pig was very abundant in the Pine forests of Virginia. Don't know if that extends to the battle area or not but they were there.

From - http://www.odu.edu/~lmusselm/blackwater/preserveinfo.shtml

ORIGINAL EXTENT AND FATE OF LONGLEAF PINE IN VIRGINIA

The original northern limits of the range of longleaf pine (Pinus palustris) are unknown. It often has been stated that the species occurred only as far north as southeastern Virginia, below the James River. The accepted botanical range is shown in Little (1971) extending as far north as Isle of Wight County. There is some evidence, however, that longleaf pine was found north of the James, perhaps as far as southern Maryland (Frost, unpublished). The species is especially vulnerable to severaltypes of human activity, and its apparent absence is probably a result of the lack of botanical work or other records from the early colonial period.

The disappearance of longleaf pine from Virginia can be summarized as the consequence of the cumulative effects of following activities over three and a half centuries of European civilization (Frost, unpublished).

1. Introduction of feral hogs. Starting from the time of Smith's arrival in 1607, until they reached a saturation population in the woods some time prior to 1800, hogs consumed pine mast and, more importantly, the "grass stage" seedlings, thereby eliminating reproduction.

As far a feral hogs chewing bullets, pigs will chew anything they can pick up. Think about a Civil War battlefield and how many bullets would have been there after a major battle. Shallow bullets would have been exposed by erosion. Some bullets would pass through soldiers and loose their velocity and essentiall drop to the ground. Bullets that had struck tree limbs or ricocheted off trees and things would be lying on top of the ground. There would also be the bullets that flew straight but just didn't hit anything. There would be plenty of bullets lying around. When a hog comes through, they will pick them up and try to eat them - chew them up and spit them out. They root for anything they can find. They will pick up a bullet as well as an acorn.

Daryl
 
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Nice finds, Civilman!

Just my two cents, but I've heard that soldiers chewed lead because it tasted sweet. As I'm not inclined to test this myself, I can't be certain that its true. Has anyone else heard this?

Personally, I always thought they did it out of boredom.

MP
 
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Those sure look human to me! I've dug plenty out of campsites all over Northern Virginia. Also, when you find with other drops and splashes.. what we call melted bullets.. I think you have the byproduct of bored soldiers.. sitting around the campfire.. days or weeks of pure boredom... follow by moments of shear terror!! If you think about it.. carved bullets and chewed bullets all fit in the same picture.. bored guys.. sitting around.. night after night.. I read on some website.. that had pictures of chewed bullets.. that the guy who found them had read in a Civil War soldier's letter home something about them trying to bit bullets in half... a test of manhood maybe?? On the flip side, I have dug two confirmed hospital sites.. dug plenty of relics.. but did not find ANY bite bullets at either location.

MonkeyBoy
 
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I think I have to agree with the wild animal bites. I have dug a number of chewed bullets over the years locally and we have never had any battles worthy of amputations out in the middle of the woods. They sure look human, and make a nice conversation piece, but the question would be would I rather chew on a stick, or take a chance and have a hunk of lead wedge in the my throat while they cut off a limb ?

Just another big mystery since none of us were there to see what they were doing with all that lead.
 
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I'm 62 years old now,but I used to chew on bullets when I was a kid.I know that the teeth marks on those bullets were human.
 
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Thank's everyone....Especially you Daryl....What a great history lesson.I'm sure the pig's did this(at certain time's) and I'm not even going to try and justify the point....It came from Antietam....and that's what matter's....HH to all.Again thank's Bio for the info.....Peace!!!
 
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Bioproffessor is wright!! to add to what he was saying domestic pig once they are loose for a short period of time they will covert back to wild pigs quicker that other animals will!! tusk and all!!
 
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mirage hunter said:
Bioproffessor is wright!! to add to what he was saying domestic pig once they are loose for a short period of time they will covert back to wild pigs quicker that other animals will!! tusk and all!!
I'm a hunter and have been all my life.....I know about the "wild pig's".....Sept 17,1862.....No freaking PIG'S to be had...
 
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the massive amount of troops in the area put great strains on the local food supply I would bet--any pig dumb enough to be around would have been barbequed mighty quick--- troops would have happily shot and ate any of the wild pigs in the area much the same as I do to when I go hunting--- ;D ;D Ivan
 
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Bacon, ham, pork chops, it's like some mystical animal that's just all good for eating. Mmmmmm........pigs...
 
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from the rooter to the tooter---by the way the pigs feel the same way about us---Ivan
 

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