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Talk about "Chewed".....

This poor guy almost ate it....On second thought maybe he did.Went back out to the farm at Antietam for a couple hour's this morning,pretty slow.Found these piece's and some "blob" lead and the usual farm do-hickey's.I've found quite a few "chewed" before but nothing like this.This guy must have been in some serious pain...Can't even hardly tell it was a.58 except for the base....Thank's for lookin' and HH!!
 

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Re: Talk about "Chewed".....

Seems there are alot of eyewitness reports out there,in books and the web about soldiers actually chewing the bullets......Just a small google search came up with these few......

I also have these books thats talk about soldiers chewing on bullets .....
Lee's Lieutenants A Study in Command Douglas Southall Freeman
The Civil War Strange and Fascinating Facts Burke Davis
Civil War Treasury B.A. Botkin

...On the third day of his ordeal, the boy felt that death was near. "I chewed bullets, trying by these means to excite the salivary glands," he remembered, "the very air was dry, my lips and throat parched."
http://www.forttours.com/pages/peralta.asp

By the time enlisted men of the Seventh United States Cavalry had begun to perform deeds warranting consideration for the Medal of Honor, Lieutenant Colonel George Armstrong Custer and the more than two hundred troopers of his immediate command were dead on bluffs overlooking the Little Bighorn River.According to trooper testimony, soldiers chewed the lead of bullets, gnawed on the thick leaves of prickly pear cactus, and held pebbles in their mouths to slake their thirst. Tongues were so swollen and throats so parched that soldiers could not close their mouths. "The sun seemed fairly to cook the blood in our veins," one said. Private Cornelius Cowley went insane from lack of water and "did not recover for some time," another recalled. However much the uninjured soldiers may have ached for water................, http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3951/is_200001/ai_n8884751

The Indians chewed the bullets they used in battle, that wounds created might be more lacerating. This partially accounts for the large mortality among the wounded.http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/ky/tippecanoe/chapter6.html

The Battle of Monmouth is recorded as a victory for the Americans, but it wasn't an easy one. The musket and cannon fire was terrible for the 30,000 Americans and British soldiers who collided on the plains of Monmouth Courthouse, New Jersey on June 28, 1778. Even more terrible was the record heat -- a heat that reached 96 degrees in the shade by afternoon, turning the white, sandy battlefield into an oven -- a heat so terrible that fully one half of the 501 men who died in the battle were killed by heat stroke. In all, l99 Americans and 302 British troops died that day before the British withdrew under cover of night.

An interesting sidelight to the battle is seen in the musket balls found by the Deep Search Metal Detecting Club. Some of the balls show teeth marks, suggesting they were chewed. These particular teeth marks are shallow and entirely different from the deep marks made by wounded soldiers to endure the pain of battlefield surgery. After participating in several reenactments of Revolutionary War battles, Sivilich believes he knows how the musket balls became slightly chewed. Firing a musket requires a soldier to bite off the rounds, leaving a taste somewhat less enjoyable than grandma's apple pie in the mouth. Sivilich believes the musket balls were chewed to keep saliva in the soldiers' mouths, allowing them to bite off the rounds and continue firing during the long, hot day. Without enough saliva, tongues can swell and choking can result, Sivilich said
http://www.protecthehobbynow.com/how_to_volunteer_for_archeologic.htm
 
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Pigs.......maybe but if that was the case, shouldn't there be buckles with teeth marks or other chewed items?
 
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The standard .75 cal Brown Bess Musket load was a .71 cal ball over 100 +/- grains of powder in a stout paper cartridge. The normal drill of the period was, at the count, to raise the cartridge to the mouth and bite the end or tail off the cartridge, prime the pan, cast the musket about and dump the majority of the powder down the barrel. The the ball and cartridge paper was all rammed together with the paper providing some wadding effect. If great speed negates ramming, you reverse, and bite the ball off and hold it in your mouth. Next prime the pan and load the barrel and spit the ball into the muzzle. Tap the butt on the ground a couple of solid taps to seat the ball and give fire! Huzzah!

Rev. Joel+
Fanning's Rgmt, Militia (Loyalist) God save the King!!!
 
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Pigs rooting around looking for food would think bullets were acorns or other "familiar" food. Belt buckles, hat medallions, sword scabbards, etc. wouldn't elicit an "eat it" response from a pig used to eating wild food like acorns, tubers, etc. Pigs tend to try and eat anything they "think" is food but will ignore other stuff. They have massive muscles to break hard nuts and other items they can eat. It wouldn't take them long to put some pretty nasty bite marks in a lead bullet and then spit it out when it didn't "feel" right. Just pig 101 behavior. They aren't the brightest bulb in the lamp.

Just a quick question about one of the posts. If the Indians chewed their bullets to inflict maximum damage to a person being shot, wouldn't that create a problem. I am not sure what the rifle bore and bullet size was for Indian rifles but it seems to me that if you chew a bullet, The distortion would mean it won't fit too well in the barrel. Also, a bullet with all these indentations would tend to be pretty inaccurate wouldn't it?

Just some thoughts.


Daryl
 
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Some years ago I took three down to my lifetime friend dentist just to see what the verdict was on these. He was sure they were not human, couln't tell me exactly what animal, but probably a small mammal such as a squirrel.

my two cents...

plus I dig them where there were no hospitals.
 
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Small gnaw marks tend to be rodents - squirrels, chipmunks, rats, mice, etc. Large marks have to be made by animals with large back molars and powerful jaw muscles. Could they be human? You bet. I am sure, as many people have already said, soldiers chewed bullets to stimulate salivation. I am sure there were some "contests" to see who could bite one on half, etc. Hey, I've seen people open beer bottles with their teeth (before screw tops). Go figure. Boys will be boys. But as has been stated above, there have been many hospital sites excavated or hunted and no bitten "medicine" bullets were there.

Some posters have said they wanted to take a bullet to their dentist. I would suggest they take one to their vet. I think they will have more to say.

Pig are not well understood by most people. They are much more ruthless, dangerous, garbage eaters, than you would think. There is an expression - "Where were you? I thought you went to ...... and the pigs ate you." That is another story but just as interesting.

And who said history couldn't be fun.

Daryl
 
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Actually, I was pondering this question in the woods yesterday. Would a person have enough bite force to do that to a chunk of solid lead ?? I mean I know the stuff is malleable, but that is A LOT of material to displace, and bullets, although made from lead aren't exactly soft.
 
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You are right on track Goldfish. Our jaw muscles just aren't that strong. Lead can be "softened up" by working on it to flatten it out. So some of the bullets may have been just ones that got chewed on for a long time by a very thirsty soldier, flattened out and showed some pretty decent marks. But to just pick one up and do that to a bullet? Ouch!! Crack!! Clean up on isle 4.

Hey, we could have a contest! Just kidding.

Daryl
 
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today we know about "lead" poisioning ---I would not suggest anyone put lead in their mouth---even without you even being shot by it lead can still kill you---Ivan
 
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I FOUND ONE CHEWED ON OUR SIDE OF THE BORDER , IT WAS FROM THE WAR OF 1812.
 
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I think it would be very hard for a person especially before the times of modern dental work to have "chewed down" a bullet. Maybe bite it a little and leave some modest teeth marks but not to chew it down. I would think those bullets were more or less in the ground and chewed by a cow or pig maybe even a goat. As far as there being no pigs in certain areas during the Civil War thus no animals being there to chew the bullets, this might be true but your talking a period over almost 150 years. I have to bet that at some point of time in the less than 150 years that those chewed down bullets have laid around some animal with strong jaws ended up chewing the bullet. Could have been done anytime between 1865 and 2007. Just because a bullet is chewed doesn't mean it was done during the Civil War Period. I'd like to see anyone chew down a bullet like a piece of gum. I don't think it can be done even with soft lead. Gotta be animals chomping down on those bullets to smash them down that much.

JRich
 
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Now that's biting the bullet....I thought the other stuff was an experiment from some old western dentist or something.
 
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Daryl,

Thank You. Really, OMG I feel like I have truly experienced a college level history lesson here.
It is great to be able to come on TNET here & be able to have these kinds of stories told about
past history. I love history, and thank you for your research & time.
 
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Sucking up to the teacher. You get an "A" No need to take the test at the end of the thread. ;D

Daryl
 
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HaHa,,LMAO !!!!!!
 
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Way to go. ;D

Daryl
 
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hows about a "myth busters" show request?---Ivan
 
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I dont know..the ones i have found in Ohio are no where near a battle site..and i helped raise hogs,sheep,and goats and the teeth marks on mine are pretty small..
and i dont think i have ever seen an animal intionall bite a piece of lead.....
Just goes to show you never know...
You can always count on getting the true facts from the great people on here...
 
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I've found lots of them... and all from non-battle camps. I don't think the hogs were rooting around eating bodies there in camp. :P

I really think they were sucked on or chewed as a matter of passing the time - lead chewing gum. 8)

I'm going to write a book about it so you guys can quote me too next time you argue about it. ;)
 
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Montana Jim said:
I've found lots of them... and all from non-battle camps. I don't think the hogs were rooting around eating bodies there in camp. :P

I really think they were sucked on or chesed as a matter of passing the time - lead chewing gum. 8)

I'm going to write a book about it so you guys can quote me too next time you argue about it. ;)
Let me know when there on the shelf Jim.. ;)
 

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