The Beale key... Found

[Justintime]

There is no #1 and no #3 ciphers, there's just enough there as a back up plan to keep the game going, all part of the plan. The DOI-Key is #1 and you get #3 with the treasure for it can easily be "found". In the letters, BEALE speaks with a wink,so to say, which would be beneficial hereafter...come on people.

 

[Justintime]

The letter from St. Louis was the key to the key, That is the St . Louis important info that was spoke of from the other letter. Instructions to were the key was. The body of paragraph was about the box left in Morriss charge, "In this place,Sealed"..Justintime

 

[Eldo]

"Such a key I have left in the hands of a friend in this place, sealed, addressed to yourself and endorsed Not to be opened until June 1832"

Notice the lack of punctuation after 'endorsed' and the capitalized letters out of place?

Do not allow any false or idle punctilio to interfere

Be careful which description you are reading.

The original featured these letters above, which were capitalized to hint at the key itself.

The DOI being singed with a few holes to show the hole to look through to find the Direct Object to look for when it was overlaid over Bedford, VA....why the eyepiece was included...to look through

This location was their KGC Ceremonial Ground where they conducted massive ceremonies behind the Burning Crosses

 

[Rebel - KGC]

Notice the lack of punctuation after 'endorsed' and the capitalized letters out of place?



Be careful which description you are reading.

The original featured these letters above, which were capitalized to hint at the key itself.

The DOI being singed with a few holes to show the hole to look through to find the Direct Object to look for when it was overlaid over Bedford, VA....why the eyepiece was included...to look through

This location was their KGC Ceremonial Ground where they conducted massive ceremonies behind the Burning Crosses

 

[Eldo]

There is no #1 and no #3 ciphers, there's just enough there as a back up plan to keep the game going, all part of the plan. The DOI-Key is #1 and you get #3 with the treasure for it can easily be "found". In the letters, BEALE speaks with a wink,so to say, which would be beneficial hereafter...come on people.

All true if you use the decipher method as the second is decoded, and fall into their plan, but in reality

Beale was a military man who invented a smaller 5 disc wheel to compress the actual larger codex into a portable device. He then sold it to the Spanish Army and then the Confederates adapted this as their coding system soon after.

Take a count of the sets of the numbers in the codes....they all add up to intervals of 5 or 0....that means the pattern that is there is made from a 5 number sequence

for example.....numbers 12, 123, 354, 76 really =

12123 35476 in this pattern.....they are then entered into the wheel to derive the actual lettered message.

how cool to learn something new.....

when you are ready to rock and roll through the clues pick up the phone and stop being a stranger...i'm willing to collaborate but I know your a solo artist, so think about it.

I have the property owner's name and address at the Vault and the 30 troves, and we can easily proposition him for 50/50 split to let us dig.

just sayin...the DOI is included, but there is an entire set of 18 mines out west that I have located as well to be included in the find, so guess what.....nothing to lose asking him to let us dig, as we can easily claim the mines if he says no, and they were said to be 20% gold by volume......

 

[ECS]

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Beale was a military man who invented a smaller 5 disc wheel to compress the actual larger codex into a portable device. He then sold it to the Spanish Army and then the Confederates adapted this as their coding system soon after...

how cool to learn something new...

Not so cool when you realize this information came from a fictional Tom Beale diary that is part of THE LOST BEALE TREASURE GEOCACHE GAME.
The Diary of Thomas J. Beale

 

[ibjeepn]

The letter from St. Louis was the key to the key, That is the St . Louis important info that was spoke of from the <img src="http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1182304"/> other letter. Instructions <img src="http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1182305"/> to were the key was. The body of paragraph was about the box left in Morriss charge, "In this place,Sealed"..Justintime

Nice to hear from you again Justintime. You as well Eldo. I enjoy the new info,thoughts, and findings you both bring. Yinz (Pittsburghese) have to prove nothing to me. Carry on gentlemen.

 

[Eldo]

Not so cool when you realize this information came from a fictional Tom Beale diary that is part of THE LOST BEALE TREASURE GEOCACHE GAME.
The Diary of Thomas J. Beale

There is nothing that I have taken from a Game......there is an actual factual history behind the creation of this Cypher Wheel , using 5 discs, from a man named Beale.

you have tried to assert that fact a dozen times because someone made a game after the Beale Papers were crafted, and the Beale Papers are titled with this exact "Game" encrypted, if that is the fact in the case, making the whole thing a hoax.

all the Persher Coding is clearly a cover story for another type of operation, and the tale drifts from a narrative of a story to the first person tales that are layered into the storyline.

When the storyline changes from the narrative, you can tell there are actual factual clues thrown into the story to make the tale seem consistent, but there are clear differences in the tone, the tongue and the manners he speaks with, showing that the person adding the actual clues, is from a later time than the Beale is crafted to be centered around.

Not to mention the words like stampeded......

Thanks for your help ECS, Ill take it from here.

 

[ECS]

There is nothing that I have taken from a Game......there is an actual factual history behind the creation of this Cypher Wheel , using 5 discs, from a man named Beale.
you have tried to assert that fact a dozen times because someone made a game after the Beale Papers were crafted, and the Beale Papers are titled with this exact "Game" encrypted, if that is the fact in the case, making the whole thing a hoax...
Thanks for your help ECS, Ill take it from here.

Please provide the evidence that the "Beale cipher wheel" that you have mentioned was indeed, created by the Thomas Beale of the 1885 BEALE PAPERS.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

ECS, He can not give you that information-------he does not have it. The cypher wheel was invented and made by Leon Battista Alberti born Feb. 14, 1404 and died April 25, 1472.

AND! The REBELS (aka CSA), DID have their own Cipher Disk... even had CSA on it! And "SS" for Secret Service or Signal Service... dunno.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

ALSO! CSA Cipher Disk used Vigenere Cipher, BUT! it has LETTERS, not NUMBERS! "Google" Crypto Museum Confederate Cipher Disk, used by CSA Secret Service; "site" stated that ORIGINALS are in the NSA public museum at Ft. Meade in Maryland... dunno.

 

[Justintime]

There is no need for a cipher wheel, just the key.....best of luck to you all...justintime

 

[Eldo]

There is no need for a cipher wheel, just the key.....best of luck to you all...justintime

If you had the access to the DOI, you would have the mapped points yes, and could find remnants of the clues, but not a full description to the vault, merely a "Direct Object" to look for.

but if you only had the hidden Persher Code in the Beale, then you had the chance to find the mines from the directional measurements charted inside the Papers.

and if you only had found the map stones at the mines, then you would have the word 'Moneta,VA' to chart to, and a series of guide maps to go by, taking you right to the Vault

3 keys, 3 segments of codes, each partially complete with hints to draw attention to the others when in the vicininty.

Remember they were expecting their agents to be all over the country......and none of them had google earth....

 

[Justintime]

Moneta Va ? Not sure on that one. There is only one vault, with more than one chamber, one protects the other. The treasure found out west was not mined gold, it was a placed legacies, that were relocated back to Va in a time that was less populated. To help recall names that are cherish though partially forgotten. The incomplete code sequence is to keep the game alive,it will merely state the contents, if it was lost it would be a Catastrophe,back up plan. It's about the quest...a quest of understanding, like the letter says, once you receive the key no trouble will be had finding it, and you will know what to do. Thanks Justintime.😎

 

[ECS]

There is no need for a cipher wheel, just the key.....best of luck to you all...justintime

There never was a cipher wheel connected to the Beale story.

 

[Justintime]

There never was a cipher wheel connected to the Beale story.

The cipher wheel was used during the expeditions when the object was to round up the lost legacies. Some of the caches was close that helped prove they were real, expeditions west to get the further ones, the cipher wheel was used then. The last cache was bigger than thought, ,so the vault had to be enlarged. But the cipher wheel was not used. The cipher wheel, and old methods were used to fulfill there quest, once the legacies were relocated, they couldn't keep it, "were it alone would be safe", then a new quest was born, they learned alot from there recoveries and aplied , symbols, codes,clues, to new quest...the treasure is not Beale's treasure,so reported. Thanks Justintime.&#55357;&#56846;

 

[Justintime]

This wasn't some some mining operation, this was a perilous enterpise, with glorious results...if you look hard enough you can find the influence....thanks

 

[Eldo]

Really?

If you insist, I will wait to hear your revelations after I have thrown mine out to see.

 

[ECS]

...the treasure is not Beale's treasure,so reported. Thanks Justintime.&#55357;&#56846;

... and

 

[Rebel - KGC]

... and

LOL!