The Beale key... Found

[Eldo]

What is "VICIOUS" about this parody based on facts, Rebel-KGC?
What makes my parody different from posted tales of the Beale Party sandcasting gold and silver into bars, false bottom wagons, and Boone's Salt Works brine pots used in the treasure vault that was presented as fact without any evidence known to support these statements?
It really has become apparent that mentioning the lack of proof, evidence, provenance when questing an obvious claim based on speculation or fill in the blanks imagination, and minimal if any supporting facts, upsets a few posters.
Those who do get upset and complain about other TN members when dubious facts are questioned, need to ask themselves why?

You quoted yourself and replied to it ..... I am asking Why, just like you said.....

That is a classic LARPing technique ..... you should "Wrap It Up" ..... that monologue of yours .....

 

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[bigscoop]

Eldo, here you go, don't mind helping you out.

“Provenance”, as it pertains to treasure hunting;
“Provenance is the actual evidence that establishes the real existence of something.”

 

[bigscoop]

This site, per example, is full of treasure hunters who routinely find and recover real treasure, whether it be Civil War relics or pieces of jewelry, etc. They find and recover these items because provenance has established its real existence, provenance also establishing its actual existence in the places they hunt.

On the other hand there are boots on the ground guys who never recover anything that they are pursuing. This is why provenance is so important. Provenance is the difference between actually finding and recovering treasure, or not.

One group is chasing treasures that the know are real and accessible, others are chasing unproven treasures that likely don't exist in the unproven areas they search. Hope this helps!

 

[ECS]

You quoted yourself and replied to it ..... I am asking Why...

It is a shame that you did not post the referenced post, a fiction parody based on 99% fact, that was called "vicious", and the reply was in answer to that remark. Posting the parody provided a reference to the remark and question.
You would have then understood the reply concerning those who complain about other TN members who question "dubious facts" that are presented without proof, evidence, or provenance.

 

[releventchair]

I see ever ripening years old goose eggs after years of " just wait" for provenance. ( True story! ( 50 cents please)) .

 

[Eldo]

This site, per example, is full of treasure hunters who routinely find and recover real treasure, whether it be Civil War relics or pieces of jewelry, etc. They find and recover these items because provenance has established its real existence, provenance also establishing its actual existence in the places they hunt.

On the other hand there are boots on the ground guys who never recover anything that they are pursuing. This is why provenance is so important. Provenance is the difference between actually finding and recovering treasure, or not.

One group is chasing treasures that the know are real and accessible, others are chasing unproven treasures that likely don't exist in the unproven areas they search. Hope this helps!

A word you are so fixated on, that its ringing in your own head?

Gotta keep running that new word until someone talks to you/

 

[Eldo]

It is a shame that you did not post the referenced post, a fiction parody based on 99% fact, that was called "vicious", and the reply was in answer to that remark. Posting the parody provided a reference to the remark and question.
You would have then understood the reply concerning those who complain about other TN members who question "dubious facts" that are presented without proof, evidence, or provenance.

I don't stand under you or anything you speak about......haven't you figured that part out.

 

[bigscoop]

A word you are so fixated on, that its ringing in your own head?

/

Yep, always when it comes to treasure hunting. But it's not just a word, it's a condition, a state, it's often the difference between pursuing reality or fantasy. Nor is it a new word to experienced treasure hunters, but rather it's a word describing a condition of the pursuit that they've come to rely on. Those who are new to these pursuits have a difficult time understanding and accepting the true value of this word.

 

[Eldo]

Justin is still waiting for you to leave so he can show us some of his 2017 digs and pics.....

I think you should go over to your own posts and stop trolling him.

You don't believe it exists and you want to argue everywhere you go with no respect for the OP and the Posts that are made by him for the specific reason of discussing these finds of his.......

You have very little ability to rely on your theory if it has no foundation that it exists, so stop the excuses.

You admitted to posting under different names before and this is more of the same schilling.....a known tactic only anons play with multiple names on the same site....so they can play innocent and pump their own theories and pat themselves on the back.

Let Justin make his digs, and everyone else find the time to appreciate his discoveries, whether emptied or not......they are still the Beale troves that were hinted at being found using his master map.......the DOI

Justin has a map and has proved that it leads to multiple locations......you are only here to slide his posts with your banter and arguments.

 

[bigscoop]

Here's another valuable quote for you from a successful treasure hunter, another one that struck home with me;

"If we're going to pursue things then let us pursue things that we can prove to exist." This was from Tommy Thompson, the discoverer of the Central America, and while his reputation has taken some serious damage since that discovery his quote is, again, 100% accurate.

 

[bigscoop]

Justin is still waiting for you to leave so he can show us some of his 2017 digs and pics.....

I think you should go over to your own posts and stop trolling him.

You don't believe it exists and you want to argue everywhere you go with no respect for the OP and the Posts that are made by him for the specific reason of discussing these finds of his.......

You have very little ability to rely on your theory if it has no foundation that it exists, so stop the excuses.

You admitted to posting under different names before and this is more of the same schilling.....a known tactic only anons play with multiple names on the same site....so they can play innocent and pump their own theories and pat themselves on the back.

Let Justin make his digs, and everyone else find the time to appreciate his discoveries, whether emptied or not......they are still the Beale troves that were hinted at being found using his master map.......the DOI

Justin has a map and has proved that it leads to multiple locations......you are only here to slide his posts with your banter and arguments.

I didn't initiate this debate, you did.

 

[Eldo]

Oh please you have gotten so off point its not even funny.....

Back to leaving this for Justin to decide.....

big smile.....

 

[masterpoe]

I don't know, man, I'm not the one continually making and promoting claims as fact that I have zero provenance/clue for.

Are you familiar with the French Drain on the island? Must have been found in June of this year? The excavation is of the same time as the Beale letters it would seem. Possibly the two could have commonalities!

 

[bigscoop]

Oh please you have gotten so off point its not even funny.....

Back to leaving this for Justin to decide.....

big smile.....

"Provenance", that word and condition you so despise, it is the point!

 

[bigscoop]

Are you familiar with the French Drain on the island? Must have been found in June of this year? The excavation is of the same time as the Beale letters it would seem. Possibly the two could have commonalities!

French drains were common throughout the 1800's, here's a brief history. The "French" isn't describing nationality or place of origin, as you will discover in this brief history; (actually, this type of drainage has been around for centuries.)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_drain

 

[masterpoe]

French drains were common throughout the 1800's, here's a brief history. The "French" isn't describing nationality or place of origin, as you will discover in this brief history; (actually, this type of drainage has been around for centuries.)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_drain

So the man made drain that moves water to these shafts is just a natural event?

 

[masterpoe]

 

[Eldo]

"Provenance", that word and condition you so despise, it is the point!

Sounds like a drunk trying to say Eye of Providence to me......then alluding to his own intended assumption as it being reason to deny

Thumbs down here....

 

[bigscoop]

So the man made drain that moves water to these shafts is just a natural event?

Who, exactly, determined that they were man made? Other in the field dispute this, or at the very least question if that conclusion is, in fact, conclusive? But this is just one example of the other perfectly reasonable explanations surrounding Oak Island that those promoting the chase of treasure never talk about. Per example, there exist one pretty detailed account of a copper mining operation that draws upon this very region, yet, you'll never hear these folks elaborating on that very-very possible, and very-very real, piece of documented history. All you ever hear about is how Oak Island "just has to be hiding something secret" like treasure even though there exist not one shred of provenance to that claim, even today after all of the promotion and fuss. Why do you think that is?

 

[bigscoop]

Sounds like a drunk trying to say Eye of Providence to me......then alluding to his own intended assumption as it being reason to deny

Thumbs down here....

....it isn't an assumption, it's what is required to turn speculation into fact. You really need to brush up in this area so you'll understand why your theory isn't being accepted as factual accurate solution to any of the referenced treasure mysteries.