The El Niño That Killed 50 Million People Is Back

[releventchair]

The Bible talks about the foolish man who builds on the sand. That's basically the entire coast of Florida with the exception of a few parks.

I stood on a pier in Naples Florida that replaced a pier hurricane Donna destroyed.
Looking at the structure of the pier and even with the logic of a youth looking for how a hydraulic handhold could tear a pier out I determined to not live on a coast or in a flood zone.
So far so good.

If a structure isn't on wheels and is parked on a coast line or in a flood zone , I'm not going to insure it.
And a flood zone doesn't mean recent history.

Persons dependent upon seasonal snow melt for water?
Try not to act surprised if seasonal snowfall varies as well as dependency increasing with withdrawals from reserves!

 

[newnan man]

I've been construction my entire life. When you build on the beach to try and keep the structure intact it takes a lot of engineering. Deep piles 20-30+ feet or more are driven or drilled into the sand then a rebar cage is lowered and all filled with concrete. Then a large slab is formed on top and poured called a pile cap. Literally hundreds of yards of concrete used. The attached structure is engineered to withstand 140MPH sustained winds. I've seen them destroyed in storms. When I see these homes built right on the beach on spindly little posts I know it's not if, but when and how bad. The states should have never allowed it as you really cannot adopt a building code that will work in a major storm.

 

[releventchair]

I've been construction my entire life. When you build on the beach to try and keep the structure intact it takes a lot of engineering. Deep piles 20-30+ feet or more are driven or drilled into the sand then a rebar cage is lowered and all filled with concrete. Then a large slab is formed on top and poured called a pile cap. Literally hundreds of yards of concrete used. The attached structure is engineered to withstand 140MPH sustained winds. I've seen them destroyed in storms. When I see these homes built right on the beach on spindly little posts I know it's not if, but when and how bad. The states should have never allowed it as you really cannot adopt a building code that will work in a major storm.

A former relative of sorts told of some of the impressive volumes of concrete his employment pumped under some of the buildings downtown along the river. Not before they were built. But after.
Somehow hydraulics undermined them annually.
Not a real aggressive river except in spring but still , a case of water needing a place to go and colliding with concrete walls instead more than anything. The concrete and it's footing get scoured like trying to restrict the river creates a water jet venturi of impressive scale instead.

 

[geowizard]

No, it's common sense.

Always a good idea to back up sound engineering with religion!
Someone once said, "Common Sense is not so common!"

- Geowizard

 

[geowizard]

On the subject of how common is "common sense";

Common Sense Is Not So Common - The Systems Thinker

ohn, who is 14, and another teenager were passing a football back and forth at youth camp. Since we were inside, and there were other people and breakable equipment in the meeting room, I asked them to go outside with the ball. They willingly complied. John came back to me later. He asked...

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Common sense becomes an interesting discussion!

- Geowizard

 

[FreeBirdTim]

As long as insurance companies fully insure waterfront properties there will be rich people building there. They know they can just rebuild and have a brand new home if disaster strikes. Stop insuring risky homes and this nonsense will end.

 

[newnan man]

Here's a common sense story. I worked at a McDonald's when I was 16, (that was right after the crusades ended) and worked the cash register mostly, but occasionally worked the grill. Another kid from my school worked there usually on the grill. He was a grade ahead, a smart honor student & on the school debate team. One night a lady ordered a Big Mac without the sesame seed bun. Back then you wrote a little note & sent it back to the grill. I and the lady were waiting a long time & we weren't busy so I went back to see what was taking so long. The kid was picking the sesame seeds off the bun with a plastic knife. I grabbed the top of a regular hamburger bun and put the damn sandwich in a box and gave it to the lady. I was not on the honor society or the debate team.

 

[newnan man]

As long as insurance companies fully insure waterfront properties there will be rich people building there. They know they can just rebuild and have a brand new home if disaster strikes. Stop insuring risky homes and this nonsense will end.

True to a point. Here in Florida most insurance companies will stop at 1 million dollars or so but a lot if people who can afford a property on the beach are loaded and build anyway.

 

[geowizard]

The El Niño that killed 50 million people is back!

What will be the loss in human lives? Arid areas already in a drought may have no water at all.
Hydropower may become non existent in many areas of the globe.
Data centers may have to be shut down!

- Geowizard

 

[djackson7348]

The Bible talks about the foolish man who builds on the sand. That's basically the entire coast of Florida with the exception of a few parks.

Sand is North Carolina's Outer Banks and the state waste tax money every year trying to replenish it and rebuild Hwy 12 after each storm. They lost this battle before they even started.

 

[djackson7348]

The El Niño that killed 50 million people is back!

What will be the loss in human lives? Arid areas already in a drought may have no water at all.
Hydropower may become non existent in many areas of the globe.
Data centers may have to be shut down!

- Geowizard

People need to stop trying to live where there is no water. Look at Phoenix AZ and Las Vegas for examples. Water is life and you need to build where water is available and not count on it being brought to you.

 

[djackson7348]

As long as insurance companies fully insure waterfront properties there will be rich people building there. They know they can just rebuild and have a brand new home if disaster strikes. Stop insuring risky homes and this nonsense will end.

Insurance companies don't care. All their policy holders pay the bills (shared risk) and the insurance company makes their money by handling the paperwork basically. I live about 100 miles from the cost but every time they incur storm damage at the coast, my Homeowners insurance goes up to cover the cost. Why do we all have to pay for others making poor choices and poor policies?