The Knights Templar connection to Oak Island (if it's possible)

[franklin]

View attachment 1798501 View attachment 1798502 View attachment 1798503 View attachment 1798504 Here is the proof that the experts are not in agreement as to what the fiber actually is.

I believe this report is more up to date in modern carbon dating era.

 

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[oredigger62]

As I said before, learn to read, the site you indicated mentions it several times, but if you have trouble with that one read this one "Coconuts in the Americas" an actual scientific study that determines that very subject, published September 2013!

Cheers, Loki

Your evidence is an article published from articles from 1844-2010... yet others actually posted a report from actual scientific studies... you must be a special one. But i do agree with you about your claims of a " premise". I don't agree with it as there is NO PROOF , but you are free to think whatever you wish. We all choose to believe in something with little or no proof.

 

[lokiblossom]

show us all the date.... copy and paste for all of us.

Coconuts in the Americas: a scientific study about the origin of the coconut in the Atlantic Basin, published September 2013 by Authors Charles Clement, Daniel Zizumbo-Villarreal, Cecil Brown, Alessandro Alves-Pereira and Hugh Harries. according to the authors this is their findings "It has been clearly established that the Portuguese introduced coconuts to the Cape Verde Islands in 1499, and these supplied the Atlantic Coasts and the Caribbean in the 1500's".

I posted this a couple of pages ago if you are so interested why didn't you find it? The topic is also mentioned in the site you posted on post 117!

Cheers, Loki

 

[Al D]

I believe this report is more up to date in modern carbon dating era.

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You need to pay more attention to the topic of discussion, the carbon 14 analysis is being called into question because of the ambiguity as to what it was that was actually tested, not the method of dating.
the C14 uptake rates are different between coconut palms and eel grass and manila hemp.
if you cannot positively identify the material, it CANNOT be accurately dated by C14.

 

[lokiblossom]

You need to pay more attention to the topic of discussion, the carbon 14 analysis is being called into question because of the ambiguity as to what it was that was actually tested, not the method of dating.
the C14 uptake rates are different between coconut palms and eel grass and manila hemp.
if you cannot positively identify the material, it CANNOT be accurately dated by C14.

Sorry, but I have more letters that positively identify the material from Oak Island as Coconut fibre than you do claiming the material submitted was not. The fact is that in at least one case a different material was sent in, and in one other case the material was too decayed to make an identity.

I didn't know you changed the topic of discussion so quick. Does this indicate that you at least admit you were wrong about the existence of the material in the Atlantic Basin before 1499? because I think we ought to settle that debate first!

Cheers, Loki

 

[LouMiller]

Coconuts in the Americas: a scientific study about the origin of the coconut in the Atlantic Basin, published September 2013 by Authors Charles Clement, Daniel Zizumbo-Villarreal, Cecil Brown, Alessandro Alves-Pereira and Hugh Harries. according to the authors this is their findings "It has been clearly established that the Portuguese introduced coconuts to the Cape Verde Islands in 1499, and these supplied the Atlantic Coasts and the Caribbean in the 1500's".

I posted this a couple of pages ago if you are so interested why didn't you find it? The topic is also mentioned in the site you posted on post 117!

Cheers, Loki

Your evidence is an article published from articles from 1844-2010... yet others actually posted a report from actual scientific studies...

 

[LouMiller]

Sorry, but I have more letters that positively identify the material from Oak Island as Coconut fibre than you do claiming the material submitted was not. The fact is that in at least one case a different material was sent in, and in one other case the material was too decayed to make an identity.

I didn't know you changed the topic of discussion so quick. Does this indicate that you at least admit you were wrong about the existence of the material in the Atlantic Basin before 1499? because I think we ought to settle that debate first!

Cheers, Loki

Hey Loki , just an idea. In support of your claims about having " more letters" why not post a couple to assist in making your point to Alan. It might help.

 

[Al D]

Sorry, but I have more letters that positively identify the material from Oak Island as Coconut fibre than you do claiming the material submitted was not. The fact is that in at least one case a different material was sent in, and in one other case the material was too decayed to make an identity.

I didn't know you changed the topic of discussion so quick. Does this indicate that you at least admit you were wrong about the existence of the material in the Atlantic Basin before 1499? because I think we ought to settle that debate first!

Cheers, Loki

It is settled as far as I am concerned, Columbus reported finding coconuts in 1492, which is 7 years BEFORE your date of 1499
YOU DO THE MATH

 

[Al D]

Here is information on the report from Columbus

 

[ECS]

Sorry, but I have more letters that positively identify the material from Oak Island as Coconut fibre than you do claiming the material submitted was not.
The fact is that in at least one case a different material was sent in, and in one other case the material was too decayed to make an identity...

Still, this is NOT evidence connecting the Templars, or de Sudeley or Sinclair or any European of that period to Oak Island/Nova Scotia on which to build a logical premise.
It all just wishful speculation in support a personal pet theory that really has no basis in historical fact.

 

[LouMiller]

Still, this is NOT evidence connecting the Templars, or de Sudeley or Sinclair or any European of that period to Oak Island/Nova Scotia on which to build a logical premise.
It all just wishful speculation in support a personal pet theory that really has no basis in historical fact.

Absolutely right !!! There is ZERO evidence that the templars did anything on O.I. Even the masonic symbols found on the island are not proof of templars or anything related to them. But some goofballs still push that theory anyway.

 

[franklin]

Absolutely right !!! There is ZERO evidence that the templars did anything on O.I. Even the masonic symbols found on the island are not proof of templars or anything related to them. But some goofballs still push that theory anyway.

Will you duck and hide when you are proven wrong? Or will you just change your avatar? Because I tell all of you, you will all be proven wrong about your beliefs about the Knight's Templar not being in Nova Scotia or North America. They laid the foundation for the United States of America along with their allies. You may not live long enough to witness the day when this will be common knowledge but that day is coming.

 

[LouMiller]

Prove me wrong !!!! I don't duck and hide like you do.

 

[ECS]

Will you duck and hide when you are proven wrong? Or will you just change your avatar? Because I tell all of you, you will all be proven wrong about your beliefs about the Knight's Templar not being in Nova Scotia or North America. They laid the foundation for the United States of America along with their allies. You may not live long enough to witness the day when this will be common knowledge but that day is coming.

You base this statement about all being wrong about the claim of Knights Templar being in Nova Scotia on what?
That the Knights Templar laying out the Foundation Of the United States of America along with allies is based on what?
Who were these alleged allies of the Templars who aided in the foundation of the United States of America?
What and who will be the source of the "common knowledge"?
Grand statements made without a foundation of proof supporting that statement collapse as flights of speculative fantasy.

 

[oredigger62]

Will you duck and hide when you are proven wrong? Or will you just change your avatar? Because I tell all of you, you will all be proven wrong about your beliefs about the Knight's Templar not being in Nova Scotia or North America. They laid the foundation for the United States of America along with their allies. You may not live long enough to witness the day when this will be common knowledge but that day is coming.

you duck and hide so much on the KGC threads that you give casper the friendly ghost a bad name. So where is your proof of anything you claim? Let me guess... you always like to say you know but we have to look it up. Where ? in your Nancy Drew novels?

 

[InAustralia.Jones]

To what Norse do you refer? The Viking period was from 793-1066, which predated the Templars...
...or is documented that the Vikings came in contact with North American Indians, but nowhere is any real documentation that the Templars ever reach North America or came in contact with Native Americans, nor is there any accepted legitimate documentation that Henry Sinclair ever sailed to Nova Scotia beyond the claims made by Andrew Sinclair in his 1992 book "THE SWORD AND THE GRAIL".
The belief that Scottish Rite Freemasons as being Templars originates with the mentor of Prince Charles Edward Stuart, Andrew Michael Ramsey, a 1723 member of the Order of St Lazarus of Jerusalem and a Freemason, who wrote "Every mason is a Templar".
There is no evidence that King James I of England was ever a Freemason or a Templar.

I find this rather Interesting, as historians dismiss any claims that Freemasons are related to any of the original Knight Templar's. Templar's were Soldiers, Bankers and Protectors. (enlighten me otherwise).

 

[InAustralia.Jones]

Will you duck and hide when you are proven wrong? Or will you just change your avatar? Because I tell all of you, you will all be proven wrong about your beliefs about the Knight's Templar not being in Nova Scotia or North America. They laid the foundation for the United States of America along with their allies. You may not live long enough to witness the day when this will be common knowledge but that day is coming.

Franklin: Your words come across as powerful, almost as if you yourself are a Mason! and if i were a Moderator of this site and read your comment - it sort of comes across as a threat! but what would i know...........

 

[lokiblossom]

Your evidence is an article published from articles from 1844-2010... yet others actually posted a report from actual scientific studies...

You are quoting "literature cited" which identifies the articles the authors quoted during their very exhaustive scientific study.

You don't know much about this kind of thing do you Lou? If you want to argue the point read the report not the wikipedia article on it. I won't discuss this subject with you again, Sorry!

Cheers, Loki

 

[lokiblossom]

It is settled as far as I am concerned, Columbus reported finding coconuts in 1492, which is 7 years BEFORE your date of 1499
YOU DO THE MATH

And settled as far as I am concerned. The actual scientific study which you choose to completely ignore says "there is no evidence of any coconuts in the Atlantic or Caribbean prior to 1499. If you want to accept Columbus saying he found a nut that looked Indian as proof go ahead! My thoughts are that he was trying to impress his investors who expected him to find the Country of India as that is what he set out to do and why he was fronted capital and equipment to do so! Of course there is also the possibility that some native carried a coconut across Panama (their existence on the Pacific Coast there is also questionable) got in his canoe and paddled to San Salvador now in the Bahama's, some 700 miles distance, and dropped the nut there.

Btw, I believe "Coconuts of the Americas" does address your concern's about Columbus' nut!


Cheers, Loki

 

[lokiblossom]

Still, this is NOT evidence connecting the Templars, or de Sudeley or Sinclair or any European of that period to Oak Island/Nova Scotia on which to build a logical premise.
It all just wishful speculation in support a personal pet theory that really has no basis in historical fact.

Sure it is, just read my earlier explanations of who could have brought the fibres from the Middle East. It is actually very good evidence of a Templar presence on Oak Island.

You can keep writing it isn't til the cows come home and I will continue to disagree, sorry about that!

There are Oak Island people monitoring this site (members) and its important to me to keep the premise's active.

Cheers, Loki