treasure beach find

[Bigcypresshunter]

Just learning to use computer.These are pics of my treasure beach find last Sept. 2004 days after hurricane. Piece of brass spike could be from 1715 ship, but what is this round, silver medallion? Appears to say: Jo-Ann L. Hall 12-30-43 -- 1-2-44. Of what century? Back side: G-1506 is pictured with spike. Need help.

 

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[vic910]

The medallion appears to me to be some sort of memorial. Perhaps someone lost a child and had it engraved.

vicki

 

[Noodle]

Bigcypresshunter, how large is that medallion? I can't tell because I don't know how long the spike is. What I'm thinking is, and I could be very very wrong, the number on the back is a tracking number and the front is the person in the box about to be buried at sea. Tacked on by the small hole. This would be a 3-day old infant; the style of writing is 1800s. It looks silver and has held up very well in the water. It looks soft enough to have been hand-engraved when the need arose. Just a guess. I thought of a necklace, but why the number on the back?

- Noodle

 

[jeff of pa]

Bigcypresshunter, how large is that medallion?? I can't tell because I don't know how long the spike is.? What I'm thinking is, and I could be very very wrong, the number on the back is a tracking number and the front is the person in the box about to be buried at sea.? Tacked on by the small hole.? This would be a 3-day old infant; the style of writing is 1800s.? It looks silver and has held up very well in the water.? It looks soft enough to have been hand-engraved when the need arose.? Just a guess.? I thought of a necklace, but why the number on the back?

- Noodle

You Beat me to it NOODLE.

I was going to say "TOE TAG"

Jeff

 

[Noodle]

I bet you're right, Jeff. A toe tag! Oh, gosh. How awful... poor baby. That would be kinda like finding a headstone, wouldn't it? Only more personal. I was more comfortable with it nailed to the coffin than it tied around her toe.

Noodle

 

[jeff of pa]

My Guess She was Cremated.

the Tag was In the Earn, & when they Scatterd the Ashes The Tag went too.

 

[Noodle]

Unless this was a later burial (1944), I don't think it was cremation. The first modern crematorium wasn't developed until 1870. Besides, to consume a body by fire, temps must be between 1400-2100 degrees F. Silver melts at 1760 degrees F. That tag doesn't look like it's been through a hot fire. Nice try to make me feel better, though, Jeff. In my head, I've still got her wrapped in a blanket, toe tag intact, and sliding overboard. -N dle

 

[Steve_Maine]

Out of curiosity, I did a quick search and found this:
http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=pmein&id=I0275

The family was from Virginia. It may, or may not be related. There is an email address on the page that might be worth contacting.

-MD

 

[Noodle]

Could be the same one. Birth year is right, and no further history available. An inquiry to the e-mail to see if there's any family tales floating around about Jo Ann might be profitable. Wouldn't that be a neat gift for a descendant? Yeah, my great-great-great-great aunt's ... toe tag!

Good clue, Steve!

- Noodle

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Thank you for all your help vicki,noodle, jeff, and Steve.. I found this and the spike near Vero, in a ?deep ?shell cut, near the dunes; ?like I said, after hurricane Jeanne. I should have searched more, but I was in a rush to find Corrigan's beach, where I found nothing. The spot now is under 15 feet of sand dune and sea oats. ?The item is the size of a quarter, but thinner.It could be a ?toe tag, but ?I still have questions. Did I disturb a grave- I doubt it. No one lived there in the 1800's, few during WWII. Was it a burial at sea or was it a shipwreck? We know the dates. The name is English. Or was it a cremation-- ashes just tossed in the ocean in 1944? Noodles thinks it is older. Has anyone found anything similar? ? ? ?Well hurricane Katrina is coming here to Fort Lauderdale,FL. ?I may take a drive tomorrow. ? ? Thank you all again, cypresshunter.

 

[jeff of pa]

In all Honesty, I'v only seen one.

I don't Remember Who it was who Found it,

BUT I THINK it was CHIZ from

http://www.ighunters.net/phpBB2/index.php?sid=4b00ee265e680a58a0cceafa77e68b84

However that Tag had the Funeral Home Name on it.

And Weather It went Thru the Cremation or Was Dropped in the Earn After I don't know.

 

[Noodle]

Thanks, Jeff. I e-mailed Chiz to see if he recalls the thread he might have posted the info/pic on. He has too many messages to just look through! I've done some other research, but haven't found anything close.

Bigcypresshunter, you take care in that hurricane. I saw where she'd just been upgraded to h. status. If you lose power, come back later and catch up with us.

Thanks all,
NOODLE

 

[jeff of pa]

I don't know Why I didn't just Hit Search over there in the first place

http://www.ighunters.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1621&highlight=cremated

 

[Noodle]

Well, me either! Wow, that's strange. Cremation doesn't melt the tag. I'm learning much more than I thought possible or necessary on this forum Yep, nice charm now. Thanks, Jeff!

Noodle

 

[JakePhelps]

Cool finds! What exactly are the spikes on ships used for? is it holding the ship together like large square nails?

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Jake, the spike I found is a brass, square shank nail. Mine is missing the top half with the head. They are also made of iron. Jeff, I would like to read the post by Chiz, but I cannot get the whole message. I read: this bright and shiny disc turned out to be this..... How do I read the rest? I am computer illiterate. The eye of hurricane Katrina is just past. I will probably lose electric soon. Tree branches are breaking and lines are sparking. Will check back later. cypresshunter.

 

[jeff of pa]

You'll probably Have to Sign up over there, to get the Link to work Here.

Just go to

http://www.ighunters.net/phpBB2/index.php?sid=4b00ee265e680a58a0cceafa77e68b84

I'll Post the Pic.
CHIZ is a Good Guy,
Hopefully He Won't Mind.


? ? ? ?Jeff

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Nice pic. Appears to be stainless steel. How can I test for silver?

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

The cremation society says that a cremation burns for 2 to 3 hours at 1500 to 2000 degrees F. Dental gold and silver are non-recoverable. A stainless steel hip replacement is recoverable. I found nothing yet on tags. bigcypresshunter.

 

[Monty]

Stainless steel is magnetic and silver isn't. JIM