Victory Over Obamacare: Fed Court Rules ...

[Fletch88]

It's sad Americans scream that government healthcare is socialism, communism, evil and vile, and yet it's what almost every other first-world nation offers to their people, and seeing this List of countries by life expectancy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia it seems to be working for them by and large. Go America! We're #33! I paid about $1AUS a day for health insurance in Australia until last year, this year it may go up a few cents a day. Australia, land of no assault rifles and chronic melanoma outlives us by FOUR YEARS. And yes, if the belief that government should provide for the many rather than the few makes one a socialist, count me in. E

Agree with you 100% Edward! I think in 2-3 years many that are trying every way possible to undermine the Affordable Healthcare Act will feel the same way. Until then I guess they will continue to kick and scream every inch of the way.

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

Agree with you 100% Edward! I think in 2-3 years many that are trying every way possible to undermine the Affordable Healthcare Act will feel the same way. Until then I guess they will continue to kick and scream every inch of the way.

Kick, scream and FIGHT it every inch. I will never sign up for it.

There are still several challenges before Supreme Court coming up, as well as states still fighting it. It is a dismal failure to date as well.

Even democrats are jumping ship now as 2014 elections approach and the true nature of its horrible failures and lies come to surface....

We will NOT go quietly into the night!

 

[Dave44]

It's sad Americans scream that government healthcare is socialism, communism, evil and vile, and yet it's what almost every other first-world nation offers to their people, and seeing this List of countries by life expectancy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia it seems to be working for them by and large. Go America! We're #33! I paid about $1AUS a day for health insurance in Australia until last year, this year it may go up a few cents a day. Australia, land of no assault rifles and chronic melanoma outlives us by FOUR YEARS. And yes, if the belief that government should provide for the many rather than the few makes one a socialist, count me in. E

Piers Morgan? I didn't know you metal detected!?

Seriously,, they indoctrinate the heck out of you guys , huh?

 

[NHBandit]

It's sad Americans scream that government healthcare is socialism, communism, evil and vile, and yet it's what almost every other first-world nation offers to their people, and seeing this List of countries by life expectancy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia it seems to be working for them by and large. Go America! We're #33! I paid about $1AUS a day for health insurance in Australia until last year, this year it may go up a few cents a day. Australia, land of no assault rifles and chronic melanoma outlives us by FOUR YEARS. And yes, if the belief that government should provide for the many rather than the few makes one a socialist, count me in. E

You should probably go back to Australia ? A bit unfair saying we're 33rd isn't it when there's 3 tied for 1st, 13 tied for 2nd, etc. If you go strictly by the numbers instead of trying to be overly dramatic we're actually 4th. This is a perfect example of why statistics are flawed. It's all a matter of how you interpret them depending on what your agenda is. Oh and according to the chart YOU linked to Australians live 3 years longer not 4. So other than being wrong about everything, great post.. Oh yeah... about the "assault weapons" ban in Australia.. Are you sure you want to bring that up ? http://www.captainsjournal.com/2012...duce-violent-crime-ask-the-aussies-and-brits/ http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/...aws-But-Gun-Crime-In-Sydney-Is-Out-Of-Control

 

[Dave44]

You should probably go back to Australia ?

Sounds like it must be a lot safer? Don't know why anyone would leave it for the jungles of America.

 

[NHBandit]

Sounds like it must be a lot safer? Don't know why anyone would leave it for the jungles of America.

LOL.. Check the 2 links I added my friend. That's the point. It is NOT safer there. He's just blowing liberal smoke.

 

[Bum Luck]

If this had of been about getting ppl healthcare, all those millions/billions thrown around would have been used to open week long clinics, with doctors, nurses, and equipment, to help ppl that don't have insurance or doctors.
We have health clinics in almost every major city in this country, that money could have put doctors in those clinics and get the word out, to have ppl come get medical care.

This is about the O dreaming teams attempt, to be the middleman, in one of the largest money making industries in this country.
All they care about is the money! They know they are protected, in their white castle world.
They could really care less, if us poor serfs get healthcare. Well, unless the cameras are on.........

Well, you're half right on track.

The rest is easy - !

 

[Bum Luck]

Victory over Obamacare!!! LOL!!!

There is a bridge for sale near where the New York Post is published!!!!

I say that because in order to survive the New York Post will say anything!!!!

This isn't a victory over Obamacare. This is one small element of Obamacare that wasn't carefully thought out.

Volunteer fire fighters will most likely be the next exemption. That too will not be a victory over Obamacare. Only ironing the kinks of unintended consequences in a massive law.

Packer: Catholic Churches will be exempt from paying for abortions for their employees. Catholic Churches should be exempt because creation of life is written into their theology. They will have to comply with all other aspects of the law.

As for individuals being exempt for religious reasons? How would that work? "I don't believe in abortion so i shouldn't have to pay for a health care plan that covers one?"

Can't we all only obey the laws we want, and disregard the ones we don't?

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

Can't we all only obey the laws we want, and disregard the ones we don't?

I don't know why not, Obama is..........

 

[Dave44]

I don't know why not, Obama is..........

And isn't that the start of our demise? Someone said recently that a lawless government creates lawlessness in the citizenry. (paraphrased it I am sure, I don't remember the quote exactly) Wasn't it someone that testified to congress?

 

[Bum Luck]

I don't know why not, Obama is..........

I'm sure that's appealing to ourselves, but the problem then is Other People.

How does that work then?

 

[TheRingFinder]

It's sad Americans scream that government healthcare is socialism, communism, evil and vile, and yet it's what almost every other first-world nation offers to their people, and seeing this List of countries by life expectancy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia it seems to be working for them by and large. Go America! We're #33! I paid about $1AUS a day for health insurance in Australia until last year, this year it may go up a few cents a day. Australia, land of no assault rifles and chronic melanoma outlives us by FOUR YEARS. And yes, if the belief that government should provide for the many rather than the few makes one a socialist, count me in. E

Ha - That's funny Edward; America is number 33, yet we have the VERY BEST Medical Care in the World. Those other 1st worlders you talk about - Guess where they come when they need the best care? Take a guess there brother, we must be doing someting correct, it's called Capitalism - beats every other system ever created by man.

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

It's sad Americans scream that government healthcare is socialism, communism, evil and vile, and yet it's what almost every other first-world nation offers to their people, and seeing this List of countries by life expectancy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia it seems to be working for them by and large. Go America! We're #33! I paid about $1AUS a day for health insurance in Australia until last year, this year it may go up a few cents a day. Australia, land of no assault rifles and chronic melanoma outlives us by FOUR YEARS. And yes, if the belief that government should provide for the many rather than the few makes one a socialist, count me in. E

Ha - That's funny Edward; America is number 33, yet we have the VERY BEST Medical Care in the World. Those other 1st worlders you talk about - Guess where they come when they need the best care? Take a guess there brother, we must be doing someting correct, it's called Capitalism - beats every other system ever created by man.

I guess that is why people come here from other countries to have their operations and medical care done because they want our oor" care

We will NOT go quietly into the night!

 

[Bum Luck]

Ha - That's funny Edward; America is number 33, yet we have the VERY BEST Medical Care in the World. Those other 1st worlders you talk about - Guess where they come when they need the best care? Take a guess there brother, we must be doing someting correct, it's called Capitalism - beats every other system ever created by man.

That's funny, RF.

US health care: Not the world?s best - Opinion - The Boston Globe
As they go about their various efforts to undermine the Affordable Care Act, Republicans regularly declare that the federal law is a dire threat to the best health care system on the planet.
Mind you, this is hardly the first time conservatives have had a little problem with perspective. Recall that Ronald Reagan once warned Americans that if Medicare passed, “you and I are going to spend our sunset years telling our children, and our children’s children, what it once was like in America when men were free.”
These days, when senior care is the topic, Republicans are more likely to be found criticizing President Obama for trimming Medicare to finance the ACA.
The ACA itself, of course, is viewed as a wrecking ball aimed at a health care system that GOP leaders see as without parallel. Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell calls it “the finest health care system in the world.” House Speaker John Boehner declares it “the best health care delivery system in the world.”

It’s certainly the most expensive system on the planet. Based on 2011 data, the US spends about $8,500 a year per person on health care. Switzerland and Norway both expend about $5,700, the Netherlands about $5,000. In 2011, France spent less than half of what we did, or about $4,100 per capita, while Sweden clocked in at about $4,000.

Given our per person costs, it shouldn’t come as a surprise that, even without universal coverage, the US spends a larger percentage of Gross Domestic Product than other industrial democracies. We’re at about 18 percent of GDP; the Netherlands, France, Germany, Canada, and Switzerland all spend between 11 and 12 percent. Norway and Sweden shell out less than 10 percent.
Ah, a skeptic — or a Republican congressional leader — might reply, but the US system offers better care. Not so. Not in the eyes of recipients, anyway.
The latest evidence comes from public-opinion surveys that sampled at least 1,000 people in each of 11 countries, research sponsored by the nonprofit, nonpartisan Commonwealth Fund.
So which country had the largest percentage of people reporting that, because of the cost, they hadn’t seen a doctor when they should have? That would be the United States, at 32 percent. It’s quite a drop to the number two position, shared by the Netherlands and New Zealand, at 20 percent, or to third, shared by France and Australia, at 14 percent.
Which country had the highest percentage saying they hadn’t filled a prescription or had skipped doses to save dollars? Once again, the United States, at 21 percent. No other country was even in double digits.
In light of the controversy over the ACA, here are two other interesting findings. Even among those who reported they were insured all year in the United States, 21 percent still said they had forgone a doctor’s appointment for cost reasons. Meanwhile, 42 percent of insured Americans said they had more than $1,000 in out-of-pocket medical expenses. Next closest? Australia, where 25 percent report spending that much.
Nor does the average American share the rosy Republican view of US health care.
Only a quarter of Americans said the US system worked well enough to need only minor changes, while almost half said it required “fundamental changes,” and another 27 percent said it should be completely rebuilt. That far outstrips the level of discontent reported in the other countries. The closest were Germany and Canada, where only 42 percent thought their systems worked relatively well; but even there, the percentages who said health care in their nation needed a complete overhaul were less than half of the US figure.
Meanwhile, other data shows that US life expectancy is well back in the pack of the 34 countries of the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development, behind all of western Europe.
“The US often thinks its health care is the best, but we really don’t stack up very well when we compare ourselves to other high-income countries,’’ notes Cathy Schoen, senior vice president at the Commonwealth Fund. “We spend a lot more, our access is often worse, we face more medical debt, and our health outcomes are often worse.”
The point, then, is a simple one. Yes, the ACA’s roll-out has been a frustrating mess. But the idea that Obamacare will somehow ruin a uniquely stellar health care system just doesn’t scan, because that’s not the system we have.

 

[Bum Luck]

Here's another one:

Best health care system? Really, John Boehner? - NBC News.com

Best health care system? Really, John Boehner?

House Speaker John Boehner trashed president Obama’s health care plan again Thursday, accusing him of wrecking the world’s best health care system.

“This is going to destroy the best health care delivery system in the world,” Boehner said Thursday morning before President Obama announced a plan to fix the fallout over canceled health insurance policies.

But is it really?

Two studies out this week — and studies going back 15 years or longer — show quite the opposite. Americans pay more per capita for health care than people in any other industrialized country. In return, we are sicker, die younger and are unhappier with the system.

The Commonwealth Fund, which does research on health care and health reform, has shown year after year in its regular surveys that Americans spend a lot more on health care than anyone else. Right now it’s $2.7 trillion a year — that’s $8,508 a head, compared to $5,669 per person in Norway and $5,643 in Switzerland, the next-highest-spending countries. New Zealanders spend just $3,182 per person.

And Americans aren't getting more or better care for that money. The U.S. has the eighth-lowest life expectancy in the Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development, which groups developed nations.

In the latest survey of more than 20,000 people from Australia, Canada, France, Germany, the Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Sweden, Switzerland, Britain and the U.S., Commonwealth researchers found that 37 percent of Americans went without recommended care, did not see a doctor when sick, or failed to fill prescriptions because of costs, compared to as few as 4 percent to 6 percent in Britain and Sweden.

And 23 percent of U.S. adults either had serious problems paying medical bills or were unable to pay them, compared to fewer than 13 percent of adults in France and 6 percent or fewer in Britain, Sweden, and Norway, Commonwealth reported Wednesday in the journal Health Affairs.

More than 40 percent of U.S. adults said they spent $1,000 or more out-of-pocket for care in the past year, by far the highest rate of any country surveyed.

Most — 75 percent —of the 2,000 or so U.S. adults surveyed said the health system needs fundamental changes or to be rebuilt. Just half of Dutch and Swedish people did, while 63 percent of Britons said their system works well and only needs minor changes.

“The U.S. spends more on health care than any other country, but what we get for these significant resources falls short in terms of access to care, affordability, and quality,” said Dr. David Blumenthal, president of the Commonwealth Fund,

Americans also wait longer to see primary care doctors; 76 percent in Germany said they could get a same or next-day appointment, and 63 percent in the Netherlands, compared to 48 percent in the U.S. Only Canada scored worse, with 41 percent saying they could.

And the U.S. has more patients than anywhere else using the emergency room. A full 48 percent of Americans said they had used the ER in the past two years, compared to 31 percent in France and 22 percent in Germany and Australia.

Even the U.S. Institute of Medicine says U.S. health care is a mess, with tens of thousands of Americans dying from medical errors and drug overdoses, and with the system wasting $750 billion in 2009.

And on Tuesday, a report in the Journal of the American Medical Association looked at improvements in the U.S. health care system. The upshot? They’re not really keeping up with the rest of the world.

U.S. life expectancy is getting longer, but it’s lagging behind the longer lifespans enjoyed by people in most of western Europe and Japan. And there are huge disparities across the country, with people in states like Mississippi considerably less healthy than people in Colorado or New York City.

Reality.

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

Here is the real life reality in United Kingdom for wait times for their socialized medicine....

Comments

The 36 comments about ‘Guide to waiting times’ posted are personal views. Any information they give has not been checked and may not be accurate.


rmca said on 13 December 2013

Hi, I wonder if someone could help. I was referred to my consultant 45 weeks ago, i have seen him 3 times and been sent for further tests in this time. I went last week and he said that i now need a hysterectomy and its a 9 mth wait. I really cant wait that long so i rang today to be told that I have been waiting 45 weeks already, it seems that the 'clock' has been running since my referral. Does it mean that i will wait the 9 mths, or does the 45 weeks count towards my wait time? His secretary wasn't in so i had to speak to someone else, perhaps she will reset me to the beginning when she gets back from holidays :-(


jahou72 said on 29 November 2013

18 Weeks, what a joke. I have been forced to pay for 2 of my surgeries due to 8 month waits. I now have spinal osteoarthritis due to being born with spinal defects. had to pay again to see a surgeon in August and as expected he advised I needed major spinal surgery, that this was the only way to reduce my severe pain and he was happy to put me on his nhs list in London. Dorset ccg have had this report for 4 months but refused to act on it and sent me to a hospital with a 6 months consultation wait and year wait for surgery. I work and am going to lose my job. I am beyond angry with the Govt and NHS. You demand the disabled work, but refuse to give us access to timely treatment to alleviate our pain. It's inhumane.


multigrip said on 24 November 2013

What a laugh about 18 weeks i started my treatment over six years ago had to finish work over illness and i am no further on now than i was when i first went to the hospital to see a consultant.Have been cancelled three times for operation they say someone else needs it more than me they have just cancelled my next on December 3rd and given me January 7th now what a laugh have complained to no avail its one big joke. .


User804972 said on 19 November 2013

@ soreback75

No, you do not have to wait a further 18 weeks as you have not received any treatment. You need to find out when the hospital received the referral from your GP, that is when your 18 week clock starts.



soreback75 said on 01 November 2013

Hi i am wondering if anyone can help, have been through a lot of websites and still a little confused about waiting times. I have a slipped disc, have had an MRI scan and my GP has referred me to see a consultant, this was in May it is now 25 weeks later and I have just received an appointment to see the consultant in the next few weeks. Does anyone know if i still have a further 18 weeks to wait if i have to get an operation?


jahou72 said on 04 October 2013

What a joke you always wait more than 18 weeks and you have no chance of getting treatment brought forward.I need to have major spinal surgery, I was born with congenital scoliosis and I was diagnosed with osteoarthritis in my lumbar spine and spinal stenosis in March. Physiotherapist said major surgery was my only chance of relieving the terrible pain I am in. I PAID to see a top spinal surgeon as I knew this surgery could not be done in Dorset. He confirmed that I needed this surgery and said I needed to go to a specialist centre. I have had to fight my cgc to get referred to a specialist centre. I now have to wait 5 months just for the appointment and over 12 months for surgery after that. I give up. The government demands that disabled people work. I do work but am going to lose my job as I am in agony and struggling to work. So the government expects me to work in agony without giving me treatment for 18 months inhumane. Takes over 6months to go through complaints procedure so no point. I am now trying to take out a massive loan to pay for surgery abroad. This will be the Third time I have had to pay for surgery in order to keep my job and home, I am beyond despair and disgusted.



cjadec said on 30 September 2013

so far, not too impressed. had gastroscopy in May, ampullary adenoma found and discussed at outpatients appointment 13 August, where I was advised I needed to be referred for second opinion to specialist in London. Had heard nothing by early September so chased...chased again mid September and still nothing. Chased again today to find out the specialists secretary who is meant to be contacting me is on leave!

The only saving grace is a lovely lady from the PALS team that has been also chasing and keeping me sane in the thought that at least someone is listening to me and cares!

I know the specialists have other patients but im in limbo atm I don't even know where my RTT starts because of the complexities of my case - referred for one problem and another found; if from the moment the second referral was made then it may not even have started yet - if from the first referral then 18wks is well and truly up....and in all this, the adenoma could be growing past point of resection thus requiring major op



User804972 said on 19 September 2013

@ Milan Ruparelia

No, your clock is stopped when you are actually admitted to the hospital, ie when you come in for the operation. Your clock will run until this point. Hope this helps.



Larking said on 18 September 2013

I was referred for orthapedic surgery on 1/05/2013, following a consultation with a Specialist at Congleton Hospital.
I was informed that the waiting time for treatment was 18 weeks, as was duly advertised on notices in the clinic, which took it to 13/09/2013.
Within days I received an appointment for a Pre-Op Assessment at MDGH, which I had in early June, and was asked by the Nurse if I had been given a date for the operation.
This week having heard nothing from the Hospital, I telephoned the patient booking line, to ask if a date had been scheduled for me, (as I have to stop some of my medication 2/3 weeks prior to Surgery, which MDGH are aware of).
I was advised my scheduled date was 09/11/2013, because the Conultants' Annual Leave has to be added on! This takes it to 25 weeks! and when I pointed it out to the lady I was talking to, she went quiet for a few seconds, and then advised me they would be in touch before then!!
I await with hopeful anticipation that I will receive an earlier date soon!


Milan Ruparelia said on 03 September 2013

I am slightly confused on how my waiting time is calculated - as per the above "The clock will stop (your waiting time ends) if no treatment is necessary or when your treatment begins. This could include: being admitted to hospital for an operation or treatment"

I have been referred to an operation by the Hospital, does that mean that my clock has been paused?


Under Appreciated said on 15 August 2013

As a member of admin staff for the NHs in one of the hospitals, I can say that although there times when the waiting times are longer than 18 weeks, we do do stive to keep them within this time. Many poeple do not realise how over worked admin staff are, nhs admin have more work to complete than any other admin staff in other companies. We are under emses pressure to ensure that the 18 week rule is adhered. There are over 62 million people in the uk wo are entitled to nhs treatment, Around 660 are waitng for diagnostic tests at any one time. 98% are seen and on treatment within the 18 week wait. So on behalf of the all the nhs staff I apologise that we are unable to get it right 100% of the time.




Andrew999 said on 16 July 2013

I've needed multiple heart ablation operations to try and fix my heart speed and rhythm problems.
The first 2 operations had a 9 month plus waiting time. I'm still having problems and need another operation. I've now been waiting 8 months and am no nearer the top of the waiting list. When I complained, the NHS staff said this was normal.
They say a maximum of 18 weeks, I think they meant 18 months.

ArthroScopyQueensHospitalRomford said on 25 April 2013

The NHS waiting time listed is wrong.

Average time from referral by GP to treatment for this department says 14 weeks for Queen's Hospital Romford.

But I have been waiting for 20 weeks now.
When called up they say it takes 26 weeks wait time

Wrong data on website here:

Search Results - NHS Choices


Taxed to death said on 06 December 2012

I picked Lister's hospital in Stevenage using this site because it said that the waiting times to see a cardiologist was only 16 days so my doctor put in for a "priority case" because my condition was detraining quite fast so I was gob smacked to receive an appointment time back from Lister's for an appointment in 9 weeks time.

As my condition became worse (no surprise) I ended up at Lister's A&E department who kept sending me home and failed to spot water on the lung but eventually a consultant at Lister's realised the seriousness and pulled out all stops and thing are now moving much faster.

I would like to find out why the initial waiting times shown here bear not relationship to the time for my appointment and I would also like to say that after me paying 11% NI and my boss paying 12% NI all these years I seem to be on the broken side of a contract when you cannot even complain if you have to wait up to 18 weeks to see a consultant for an heart condition that could had killed me if I did not kick up.

Pay your taxes or VAT 18 weeks late and see what HMSG has to say about it


mommy1981 said on 21 October 2012

This article made me laugh. If I hadn't laughed I would have cried. I'm waiting for surgery to repair a fast growing aortic aneurysm due to having Marfan Syndrome. The 18 week waiting time is a joke. I waited 8 weeks to see surgeon which wasn't to bad. Was told that the wait would be 3+ months. I've now been waiting 32 weeks since seeing the surgeon. So that's 40 weeks since I was told I needed surgery and still no sign of operation soon.


Hayley2406 said on 10 October 2012

I need a bit of advice...I'm waiting for a gallbladder removal as I'm getting pancreatitis. I have a discharge letter from my consultant referring to an urgent removal and wondered how long is reasonable to wait as its been 5 weeks since I was discharged following my last attack!


Hayley2406 said on 10 October 2012

I wondered if anyone can help me. I've gone through the government guidelines on waiting times but I'm still confused. I was admitted to hospital with acute pancreatitis 8 sept, caused by gallstones. Consultant recommended !urgent Surgery!. What constitutes !urgent surgery! I've just been given an operation date of Nov 15. I'm off work as I'm having bilious attacks on a regular basis and I'm getting worried about my job now. Was led to believe I would be operated on within two weeks when I was in hospital in Sept!
Would appreciate anyone's thoughts I'm so depressed now I just want this over!


misswelsh1 said on 10 October 2012

in july 2007 i went to my doctor with brething problems, got sent to hosp, had the shock of my life to discover i had pheunomia and 3 leakey heart valves !!!! i was 27... 3yrs i waited for a operation to replace 2 valves and patch another 1 .... but all done n dusted now thank god



SURVIVOR99 said on 15 September 2012

Got Hypercalcaemia, now that scans etc have been done it just needs a 20 minute op to whip out a growth on a gland.
Diagnosed November 2011 and still not on waiting list for operation. Told it will then be a 9 month wait when I finally get on the list, this makes nearly 2 years of misery and pain for me (and the people around me!)
Have worked in NHS and know not to blame the staff.


Guide to NHS waiting times - Patient choice - NHS Choices

 

[Bum Luck]

Hardly a rebuttal ............

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

Hardly a rebuttal ............

I think the voices of the actual citizens speak volumes.. Read the link for the story that goes with it, wait times are just as bad in Canada as well.....



We will NOT go quietly into the night!

 

[Dave44]

The obese Moore said the best healthcare is in Cuba. Since he said it, and filmed it, it can't be a lie can it?

 

[NHBandit]

Hardly a rebuttal ............

LOL... Typical lib response. Demand PROOF... demand LINKS.... then when you get what you asked for you shrug it off... At least you fellas are predictable..